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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 15, 2015 3:48:13 GMT
.....and if she was as smart as she is supposed to be, surely she could see that, rather than dismiss a man like William, who is supportive of the cause, she disses him too......if she was smart, she would be cultivating men like William, because like it or not, for women to get the vote, enough men like William (and, yes, Brackenreid) to vote for politicians who will support the cause...... This is part of why I may be more sympathetic to Lillian's protest style than most. I live in a hot spot of the Black Lives Matter movement in the US, and there is a lot of controversy about their protest style. There is *especially* a lot of advice for them to not tick off people when they need their votes and how they can't afford to alienate the middle class. The BLM movement chose radical and confrontational styles - mainly because they don't see "politics as usual" as effective. They object to being patronized about their tactics. In fact, they try to avoid being affiliated with any political party and try to stay "issue oriented". I see a lot of Lillian's character in this, and there's a lot of historical accuracy in that type of character. We are talking about the time of radical anarchists as well as Pankhurst-type vandalism. Anyway, this is the prism I see Lillian, through. And I think her character is a useful way to reflect on radical protests today, as well. I can understand the effectiveness of the unapologetic protest style. However even in this type of protesting one should know who their friends are and Lillian does not seem to get that many of the people she pokes are her supporters. In the end her character opens many conversations and isn't that the hallmark of a well written character?
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Post by lizmc on Oct 15, 2015 4:21:01 GMT
Anyway, this is the prism I see Lillian, through. And I think her character is a useful way to reflect on radical protests today, as well. I can understand the effectiveness of the unapologetic protest style. However even in this type of protesting one should know who their friends are and Lillian does not seem to get that many of the people she pokes are her supporters. In the end her character opens many conversations and isn't that the hallmark of a well written character? I think the writers have done a great job with the character of Lillian and people like me are reacting exactly how we are intended to react. Sara Mitich has also done a great job with the part, playing it with the right amount of hautiness, with a hint of vulnerability......
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Post by snacky on Oct 15, 2015 7:33:19 GMT
I can understand the effectiveness of the unapologetic protest style. However even in this type of protesting one should know who their friends are and Lillian does not seem to get that many of the people she pokes are her supporters. In the end her character opens many conversations and isn't that the hallmark of a well written character? I think the writers have done a great job with the character of Lillian and people like me are reacting exactly how we are intended to react. Sara Mitich has also done a great job with the part, playing it with the right amount of hautiness, with a hint of vulnerability...... Yes, exactly: a character doesn't have to be likable to be well-written. Lillian stirs up the controversy!
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Post by snacky on Oct 15, 2015 7:34:14 GMT
OK. Break it down... 1. 'Mark Twain' looked more like Teddy Roosevelt. 2. Henry lording it over George = not cool. They're supposed to be buddies. 3. Twain as the 'diversion' was interesting. A convenient distraction. 4. The Gaezbo thing was hilarious. 5. I somehow expected Higgins' stealing to have played a bigger part and maybe bust him back down to size. 6. VERY interested in the next episode!! At first I thought the pilfering by Higgins would be a bigger deal then I remembered how the graft was not a big deal when the Station House 5 constables were involved in the rape of Mai Ling and even Brackenreid dismisses graft and such in several episodes. What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie?
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Post by lea on Oct 15, 2015 15:21:00 GMT
I can understand the effectiveness of the unapologetic protest style. However even in this type of protesting one should know who their friends are and Lillian does not seem to get that many of the people she pokes are her supporters. In the end her character opens many conversations and isn't that the hallmark of a well written character? I think the writers have done a great job with the character of Lillian and people like me are reacting exactly how we are intended to react. Sara Mitich has also done a great job with the part, playing it with the right amount of hautiness, with a hint of vulnerability...... Definitely! My dislike for Lillian has never been because of poor writing or acting!
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Post by Hodge on Oct 15, 2015 21:09:58 GMT
At first I thought the pilfering by Higgins would be a bigger deal then I remembered how the graft was not a big deal when the Station House 5 constables were involved in the rape of Mai Ling and even Brackenreid dismisses graft and such in several episodes. What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie? "That pie was a THANK YOU!"
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 15, 2015 23:20:23 GMT
At first I thought the pilfering by Higgins would be a bigger deal then I remembered how the graft was not a big deal when the Station House 5 constables were involved in the rape of Mai Ling and even Brackenreid dismisses graft and such in several episodes. What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie? That was during Edna and Alwyn (Elwyn?) when she baked him a thank you pie. Then Insp B calledhim on it in the next episode (Or so). The bad thing was I don't think William ever did get a piece of that pie. Brach and company confiscated it LOL.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 16, 2015 2:15:21 GMT
What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie? That was during Edna and Alwyn (Elwyn?) when she baked him a thank you pie. Then Insp B calledhim on it in the next episode (Or so). The bad thing was I don't think William ever did get a piece of that pie. Brach and company confiscated it LOL. I believe it was The Great Wall.
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Post by snacky on Oct 16, 2015 5:27:14 GMT
What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie? That was during Edna and Alwyn (Elwyn?) when she baked him a thank you pie. Then Insp B calledhim on it in the next episode (Or so). The bad thing was I don't think William ever did get a piece of that pie. Brach and company confiscated it LOL. lol at the reminder that William didn't get to eat the pie he took!
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Post by sydneyfan on Oct 18, 2015 5:48:41 GMT
At first I thought the pilfering by Higgins would be a bigger deal then I remembered how the graft was not a big deal when the Station House 5 constables were involved in the rape of Mai Ling and even Brackenreid dismisses graft and such in several episodes. What was the episode where even William had to confess to taking a pie? Looks like I'm always going to be behind in my comments given I have to wait to watch the current episode. I appreciate though the observations in these posts to ponder over before I get that chance to watch and as such I sort of tailgate what others have said. I thought the episode was ok but also had difficulty with Shatner's mumbling, thought it was the accent at first. Another fact learnt, never knew he was Canadian. Must be like our Aussie actors who go over to America and get roles in U.S. Dramas they all have to bung on American accents, apparently our Aussie accents aren't acceptable to US audiences!! Anyhow, hope George gets payback on Higgins, George way more cluey and engaging, I've found Higgins too monotone and boring, never any inflections in his line delivery. I did love Margaret in this, I too think she had something to do with Gazebo burning down, and I think the Inspector would be quite proud of that. I'd rather more Margaret than Edna coming back, not everyone has to have romance / partner. Margaret so keeps the Inspector in line without him knowing it!!! . I also liked the "I told you so look" William gave Julia after the shooting and her earlier comment re broken record, shows how comfortable they are with each other. Looking forward to next week's, looks very dramatic! We are going into summer now thank god, so hate the 3 months of cold we get, basically 17celsius average in winter, too chilly for me and not beach weather, so now not only starts the cricket and beach season but the start of new Murdoch soon here, woohoo so I can record rather than watch via VPN!!
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Post by lizmc on Oct 18, 2015 6:23:01 GMT
We are going into summer now thank god, so hate the 3 months of cold we get, basically 17celsius average in winter, too chilly for me and not beach weather, so now not only starts the cricket and beach season but the start of new Murdoch soon here, woohoo so I can record rather than watch via VPN!! 17 C is cold? ?? Parts of Ontario and Quebec got snow today........Toronto could go to 0 C tonight, with flurries tomorrow.....
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Post by sydneyfan on Oct 18, 2015 7:31:36 GMT
17 C is cold? ?? Parts of Ontario and Quebec got snow today........Toronto could go to 0 C tonight, with flurries tomorrow..... Yeah, I guess your right but it's all relative and what your used to. At least snow is pretty although I've not seen it here. There are some parts that gets snow here but I haven't been. My family is from Scotland and I've been there in Summer which was basically the same as our winter!!! It took a while for my Mum to get used to summer Christmases and most Christmas shows from OS show snow which is nice while we barbecue!! Still would like to have a white Xmas one year to experience it! Hope your hockey team is winning.
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Post by lizmc on Oct 18, 2015 7:45:46 GMT
17 C is cold? ?? Parts of Ontario and Quebec got snow today........Toronto could go to 0 C tonight, with flurries tomorrow..... Yeah, I guess your right but it's all relative and what your used to. At least snow is pretty although I've not seen it here. There are some parts that gets snow here but I haven't been. My family is from Scotland and I've been there in Summer which was basically the same as our winter!!! It took a while for my Mum to get used to summer Christmases and most Christmas shows from OS show snow which is nice while we barbecue!! Still would like to have a white Xmas one year to experience it! Hope your hockey team is winning. Just got in from taking the dog out and it is -2 C.........Unfortunately, Toronto doesn't always get a white Xmas....mud brown is just as likely.....oh, and a lot Canadians bbq in the winter......(cousins used to do their New Years' turkey over a wood fire at their cottage up north, sometimes in the middle of a blizzard.....absolutely delicious turkey......that stopped when a tree fell on the bbq...)
My hockey team is doing very well......the Montreal Canadiens have opened the season with 6 straight wins and are the only unbeaten team.......
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 19, 2015 22:24:33 GMT
Since MM is not on tonight I have watched Marked Twain several times and most specifically for the accent and mumbling by Shatner. I honestly did not notice any of that as I found his accent and dialogue quite understandable and very authentic. Since I am from the Southwest US and have traveled all over the south and Missouri perhaps my ear did not find it difficult. I thought Shatner was right on target.
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 22, 2015 3:30:32 GMT
Since MM is not on tonight I have watched Marked Twain several times and most specifically for the accent and mumbling by Shatner. I honestly did not notice any of that as I found his accent and dialogue quite understandable and very authentic. Since I am from the Southwest US and have traveled all over the south and Missouri perhaps my ear did not find it difficult. I thought Shatner was right on target. Shatner's Mark Twain reminded me very strongly of a Twain character that appeared in the original Star Trek series (and no, I can't remember the title of that ep because my ST geekiness does not come near to surpassing my MM geekiness!) Maybe Shatner was working off of that. I was only so-so on this episode. The (s)nobs at the Empire Club were SO annoying. It's embarrassing to accept that the portrayal was likely fairly accurate. Henry was batting George over the head but it's nothing that George hasn't done many times in the past. All he has to do is completely steal the scene like he did as the bartender. I am chomping at the bit to see the next 2 episodes. TPTB are really good at making the trailers get us thinking one way then the ep delivers a knockout punch that we didn't see.
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