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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 24, 2014 23:06:27 GMT
William talked about condoms in the Green Muse, so he has obviously used them. He is not a virgin. Him and Julia have clearly been lovers. Maybe there is a succession of misunderstandings in The Green Muse episode: - when William said that Mrs KITCHEN didn't allow him to receive "love" visits from women. It was a way for him to avoid being alone with Julia in a private place and therefore he avoided admitting that he was still a virgin because of his beliefs. - William was under the influence of the absinthe and therefore he was losing his self-control and inhibitions. And he became more mischievous. That's why Julia asked him if he had precaution (even if she knew that she was sterile*). She was also under the influence of the absinthe and his desire for her and his impulses of affection made her think that he was not a virgin but she was wrong. (*She learned as a doctor and as a woman who had a very bad experience in her life all what we should know about contraceptives. Using a prophylactic is a way to avoid an unwanted pregancy but also a protection against sexually transmitted diseases or infections (STDI). If Julia thought that William was not a virgin, it would mean that he had sexual relations with other women and as she couldn't be sure they used precautions, she didn't want to take the risk to get a STDI). - what William meant when he said to Julia that he didn't think that he didn't need condoms. Maybe it was for him an implicitly way to say to her that he is a practising Catholic and as such, he didn't intend to a have sexual intercourse with her. - when she asked him if he had precaution, it was for her a way to say to him that she was agreed to go further if he was willing and of course, only if they used a condom. He was then surprised by her open-minded about sharing a intimate moment with him outside of a marriage relationship and in plus at their first date. That's why he said: how very modern of you! - to finish, they both agree to wait for an other chance but the reasons of their decision were not the same and that it was a wise choice for this night. When he said "not tonight", he surely meant once they get married. Indeed the very next he started courting her. Moreover, at the end of the episode, they both admitted to have feelings for each other. And William proposed her to keep dating and she agreed. This evening, they certainly didn't see The Green Muse but they saw into each other's eyes the passion and the love that they felt for each other. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 25, 2014 1:30:41 GMT
- when William said that Mrs KITCHEN didn't allow him to receive "love" visits from women. It was a way for him to avoid being alone with Julia in a private place and therefore he avoided admitting that he was still a virgin because of his beliefs. Hahaha, I've never heard this interpretation before! So cute! I suppose it's possible!  I can see this chain of miscommunication: especially Julia's concerns about the STDs. William's a handsome guy: since they haven't really been dating yet, she hasn't had the chance to evaluate whether he's exposed himself to dangerous situations. I think this is an excellent explanation of why she would want to "slow down" even though there was no chance of her getting pregnant! Hmm, not so sure on that one: he looked a lot more eager than that to me! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 8, 2014 1:05:15 GMT
Aww! That will be disappointing. I am all geared up for salacious revelations!!! Salacious revelations! Perhaps Julia's hesitation in The Green Muse had something to do with evaluating for STDs after all...  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 8, 2014 3:18:37 GMT
Aww! That will be disappointing. I am all geared up for salacious revelations!!! Salacious revelations! Perhaps Julia's hesitation in The Green Muse had something to do with evaluating for STDs after all... Such as William fathered a child with his favorite logging camp prostitute and she had an abortion-and he didn't learn of it until after the fact? Or, he almost killed (or maybe actually did) someone in a drunken brawl? |
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Post by snacky on Sept 8, 2014 4:17:43 GMT
Salacious revelations! Perhaps Julia's hesitation in The Green Muse had something to do with evaluating for STDs after all... Such as William fathered a child with his favorite logging camp prostitute and she had an abortion-and he didn't learn of it until after the fact? Or, he almost killed (or maybe actually did) someone in a drunken brawl? Oooh that first one could reinforce how he feels about abortions without the cliche of someone running up with a long lost son. I'm not sure if William could ever atone as a Detective if he had killed someone. I think he would have ended up as a priest in that in that scenario!  |
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Post by ziggy on Sept 8, 2014 14:02:46 GMT
Salacious revelations! Perhaps Julia's hesitation in The Green Muse had something to do with evaluating for STDs after all... Such as William fathered a child with his favorite logging camp prostitute and she had an abortion-and he didn't learn of it until after the fact? Or, he almost killed (or maybe actually did) someone in a drunken brawl? Nah! Something like William fathering a child with a married woman (he very nearly fell over with Sally Pendrick even as a fully grown man). As a less experienced youngster, he might have eaten the whole apple before he realized it was poisonous. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 18:24:30 GMT
Yeah, as much as I love my duality theory (and I'm not yet ready to abandon it  ) I'm starting to come around to the idea that William's been with other women, if not Julia. As recently as season 5-with Anna Fulford. I've been pushed further toward the virgin side of the scale by watching the episode of The Knick that had a woman that caught syphilis from her husband and had lost her nose: it was so prevalent there was a "no noses" club in New York. William is such a cautious man struggling to get into the middle class (a pregnancy would mess that up) and fooling around with the dollymops could easily lead to STDs. If people were so aware of the consequences that there were "No Nose" clubs, then perhaps William was actually cautious enough to engage in abstinence all this time. Harsh 40 years, man! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 19, 2014 19:00:30 GMT
I could buy into this theory. he's not completely without experience, but he's got some "knowledge" of women, and this allows my duality theory to persist! Thanks, Snacky! Still, what do we do about Anna in season 5, besides it being heavily implied that they slept together, didn't someone go on record saying that's exactly what happened? My Catholic country friend Eclair (tonight's our MM-watching night) had some comments on this. He's pretty busy right now, but I'm hoping he will post eventually. I don't think we should backwards-project our easy assumptions about having sex. There are a lot of up-to-the point alternatives that couples might engage in. If we're talking about an era where pregnancy, STDs, and religious/cultural beliefs were serious concerns, then even "sleeping with" Anna might not have entailed going all the way. |
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) I'm starting to come around to the idea that William's been with other women, if not Julia. As recently as season 5-with Anna Fulford.