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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 6:36:47 GMT
Funny you should say that. It's William who tells Julia that Brax's acting like a father figure because she asked him to give her away. William is being dense. He's probably walked on eggshells and kept a certain distance for years as an employee, but Brackenreid has made a number of gestures that shows how much he cares. Plus he gets invited over for Christmas dinner every year!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 6:36:56 GMT
Brax/Julia's relationship confounds me a bit, TBH. I don't know if he likes her all that much, or if she likes him for that matter either, but they have a love for William in common, so maybe they work it out for the most part. And no, Snacky, I'm not talking a slash kind of love, so before you go there... Mr. B is a chauvinist, but rewatching that scene, I think even he was taken aback by the mayor's statement-but goes about solving the problem in the typically chauvinist manner he knows best. Mind you, I'm not condoning what he did, but I think it's more complicated than him being just a chauvinist. It makes sense that he does get his henpecked rage out on Julia-she's a safe target-and William is her achilles heel. She's safe in that she's the wife of his subordinate, and not his own wife-who could make his life a living hell. Still, I'd like to see Mrs. B give him his comeuppance. Totally agreed about the mayor...what a douche. The mystery didn't leave me spellbound either, but they can't all be like last week. This week was all about character development-which results in episodes like the one we had last week! I agree I find their relationship confounding too. In GC when she comes to tell him about the doctor that did the autopsy on Iyote, he's very offhand with her as if he doesn't take her seriously. I'm thinking he still has some of that attitude towards her however he has toned it down over time. Julia does go off half cocked at times and I think this is what gets to him, he did say be realistic for once and to be honest I think he was right. I did note that he tried to distinguish William from Julia with the mayor but at the same time the mayor was right, what she does reflects on her husband. She never took into consideration what effect standing for office would have on William's career. Whilst we may think it wrong that's the way it was at the time and Mr. B was right, in the eyes of the law she belonged to William regardless of what either of them thought. Julia's always been a bit volatile and quick to action- this is in contrast to William's caution and slowness to act at times. They're quite a nice balance in that regard. And you're right-Julia does act without thinking things through at times-which has hurt William-someone he loves. But as I said earlier, I love that this became a topic and how it turned out, because it was absolutely a factor in her decision, and was very true to the times. It sucks, but I like how they played it. A nice birthday present for me!
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 6:39:09 GMT
She never took into consideration what effect standing for office would have on William's career. The question for me is - what "career" did William have going anyway? It's not like "the Catholic" was going anywhere already? What are they going to give him for Julia backing down?
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 6:40:59 GMT
This ep wasn't nearly as pervy as I was expecting (sorry Barbarama) so before I go to bed I leave you with this parting gift from William: "How did your fingermarks get on Longfellow's device?" Wait- who is William talking to...? please tell me its Julia
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 6:43:07 GMT
It was a different hotel, perhaps the Queen's Hotel...? The door opened in the opposite direction. Yeah wouldn't they have gotten the honeymoon suite and not some random room? Pretty sure even the QH had more than two floors though. But 206 is where the magic happens!
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 6:43:24 GMT
This ep wasn't nearly as pervy as I was expecting (sorry Barbarama) so before I go to bed I leave you with this parting gift from William: "How did your fingermarks get on Longfellow's device?" Before you're off to be let me wish you a happy birthday before it's over, though I guess technically it already is.... Oh it was finally CC's bday today, too, after all the build up? Happy Birthday, CC!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 6:52:09 GMT
Before you're off to be let me wish you a happy birthday before it's over, though I guess technically it already is.... Oh it was finally CC's bday today, too, after all the build up? Happy Birthday, CC! Correct me if I'm wrong, but CC's birthday was last week-The Painting was her B-day present! Barbarama's is/was today? **is confused with time zones**
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 6:59:02 GMT
Oh it was finally CC's bday today, too, after all the build up? Happy Birthday, CC! Correct me if I'm wrong, but CC's birthday was last week-The Painting was her B-day present! Barbarama's is/was today? **is confused with time zones** I will just wish everyone a happy birthday!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 7:01:16 GMT
Longfellow had a key for 209 in his pocket-I'm assuming that was his room? But kinda freaky that he was gonna get it on in another man's hotel room... He also tipped the clerk to look the other way, so he couldn't have been that cheap...maybe he didn't like prostitutes, or liked the challenge of getting it for free! But did he get Edison drunk and lift the key? Maybe the girl gave him the money to tip the clerk? She did after all want to make sure her family could frame Edison. Well, the other inventor guy said he took him out to drink...but I suppose Longfellow could have taken it then...or the girl did. Why was the machine in Edison's room again? Okay, I missed it the first time, but the machine was in Edison's room for him to "thoroughly inspect" the device. There's your second pervy moment of the episode, behind fingermarks on Longfellow's device! And the chair is not the same from IC. But the idea was clearly already there! It's in the beginning montage in the first minute of the episode when Murdoch is wandering around in his happy place.
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Post by Hodge on Dec 2, 2014 7:06:01 GMT
I agree I find their relationship confounding too. In GC when she comes to tell him about the doctor that did the autopsy on Iyote, he's very offhand with her as if he doesn't take her seriously. I'm thinking he still has some of that attitude towards her however he has toned it down over time. Julia does go off half cocked at times and I think this is what gets to him, he did say be realistic for once and to be honest I think he was right. I did note that he tried to distinguish William from Julia with the mayor but at the same time the mayor was right, what she does reflects on her husband. She never took into consideration what effect standing for office would have on William's career. Whilst we may think it wrong that's the way it was at the time and Mr. B was right, in the eyes of the law she belonged to William regardless of what either of them thought. Julia's always been a bit volatile and quick to action- this is in contrast to William's caution and slowness to act at times. They're quite a nice balance in that regard. And you're right-Julia does act without thinking things through at times-which has hurt William-someone he loves. But as I said earlier, I love that this became a topic and how it turned out, because it was absolutely a factor in her decision, and was very true to the times. It sucks, but I like how they played it. A nice birthday present for me! Happy birthday to you too!! I love the way MM never glosses over the mores of the times, hard as it may be sometimes. I have to say that I'm not liking the way Helene is portraying Julia in this season, something's changed and I'm not sure I can completely put my finger on it. I noticed it straight away in OtW1. She's softened her voice even more than in previous seasons and I don't like it, it makes her character seem softer when really she isn't. She's still the old Julia under a more professional exterior and it doesn't sit well with me. There's something else too but I've not figured it out yet. In MTM when she got off the phone after the mysterious message she sounded ditzy when she was recounting the message to William. I want the old morgue Julia back, a woman that's not only spunky but looks and sounds spunky, a woman with a hard edge! I just don't see the new Julia as Action!Julia any more. Is this what marriage has done to her? Maybe that's why I didn't miss her last week.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 7:11:09 GMT
It was a different hotel, perhaps the Queen's Hotel...? The door opened in the opposite direction. Yeah wouldn't they have gotten the honeymoon suite and not some random room? Pretty sure even the QH had more than two floors though. Maybe they had some "unfinished business" in room 206 at the Queen's?
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 7:32:47 GMT
I'm not liking the way Helene is portraying Julia in this season, something's changed and I'm not sure I can completely put my finger on it. I noticed it straight away in OtW1. She's softened her voice even more than in previous seasons and I don't like it, it makes her character seem softer when really she isn't. She's still the old Julia under a more professional exterior and it doesn't sit well with me. There's something else too but I've not figured it out yet. In MTM when she got off the phone after the mysterious message she sounded ditzy when she was recounting the message to William. I want the old morgue Julia back, a woman that's not only spunky but looks and sounds spunky, a woman with a hard edge! I just don't see the new Julia as Action!Julia any more. Is this what marriage has done to her? Maybe that's why I didn't miss her last week. I think I know what you mean: she seems a bit reactive - smiling proudly at William's accomplishments, present to twiddle with his tie. But barely there on her own account. I thought the suffrage campaign might change that, but it sounds like she's not going to be running for office long enough for that to matter. Perhaps the 10% darkness of this season is Julia slowly going mad in her room like The Yellow Wallpaper? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_WallpaperI'm voting again for Julia opening up world's first crime lab instead of sinking into some sort of "hysteria" over her general uselessness...
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Post by Hodge on Dec 2, 2014 7:39:53 GMT
I'm not liking the way Helene is portraying Julia in this season, something's changed and I'm not sure I can completely put my finger on it. I noticed it straight away in OtW1. She's softened her voice even more than in previous seasons and I don't like it, it makes her character seem softer when really she isn't. She's still the old Julia under a more professional exterior and it doesn't sit well with me. There's something else too but I've not figured it out yet. In MTM when she got off the phone after the mysterious message she sounded ditzy when she was recounting the message to William. I want the old morgue Julia back, a woman that's not only spunky but looks and sounds spunky, a woman with a hard edge! I just don't see the new Julia as Action!Julia any more. Is this what marriage has done to her? Maybe that's why I didn't miss her last week. I think I know what you mean: she seems a bit reactive - smiling proudly at William's accomplishments, present to twiddle with his tie. But barely there on her own account. I thought the suffrage campaign might change that, but it sounds like she's not going to be running for office long enough for that to matter. Perhaps the 10% darkness of this season is Julia slowly going mad in her room like The Yellow Wallpaper? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_WallpaperI'm voting again for Julia opening up world's first crime lab instead of sinking into some sort of "hysteria" over her general uselessness... It's not even that. Yes, she is reactive but it's more in the way the character's portrayed than in what she does. I'm not sure if it's the way she's being written or the way Helene's portraying her but there's something not right. As I said to Fallenbelle if a character doesn't ring true in fanfic I can't read it. Julia's not ringing true this season and it's disturbing and distracting.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 2, 2014 7:48:06 GMT
Julia's always been a bit volatile and quick to action- this is in contrast to William's caution and slowness to act at times. They're quite a nice balance in that regard. And you're right-Julia does act without thinking things through at times-which has hurt William-someone he loves. But as I said earlier, I love that this became a topic and how it turned out, because it was absolutely a factor in her decision, and was very true to the times. It sucks, but I like how they played it. A nice birthday present for me! Happy birthday to you too!! I love the way MM never glosses over the mores of the times, hard as it may be sometimes. I have to say that I'm not liking the way Helene is portraying Julia in this season, something's changed and I'm not sure I can completely put my finger on it. I noticed it straight away in OtW1. She's softened her voice even more than in previous seasons and I don't like it, it makes her character seem softer when really she isn't. She's still the old Julia under a more professional exterior and it doesn't sit well with me. There's something else too but I've not figured it out yet. In MTM when she got off the phone after the mysterious message she sounded ditzy when she was recounting the message to William. I want the old morgue Julia back, a woman that's not only spunky but looks and sounds spunky, a woman with a hard edge! I just don't see the new Julia as Action!Julia any more. Is this what marriage has done to her? Maybe that's why I didn't miss her last week. Thank you! I hear you on Julia this season-even though she wasn't in the morgue for six and seven, she was still more BAMFY than she has been this season. But, as you guys told me last week, I need to give her (the writers) the chance to be happy in how she and William are enjoying one another, and maybe this episode is the turning point? She's made her concession as a married woman (through no fault of her husband's) and now she comes back swinging in a different guise? Anyone else catch that there's a new Chief Constable? No name given...
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 8:50:13 GMT
It's not even that. Yes, she is reactive but it's more in the way the character's portrayed than in what she does. I'm not sure if it's the way she's being written or the way Helene's portraying her but there's something not right. As I said to Fallenbelle if a character doesn't ring true in fanfic I can't read it. Julia's not ringing true this season and it's disturbing and distracting. Having not seen the ep yet, I'm going to guess it's in the directing, too. There has been something broadly "Disney" going on with MM directing this year, and that sort of portrayal of Julia might be part of it. Ugh - fell asleep in front of the computer again. Which is the worst of all worlds since it means I didn't go to bed early to be well rested and get up super early to see the ep.
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