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Post by ziggy on Oct 13, 2014 0:20:53 GMT
I think high political figures are involved if the gang thinks they can get away with beating up constables. I thought the big secret (which wasn't so secret) was an illegal sex ring operation. But I suppose that could just be one branch of the bigger picture. Now I'm wondering if the Black Hand is back in town. If you are talking about the secrets theme for the season, I don't think that has anything to do with illegal sex ring. I like the plot because it runs deep and there are multiple things involved. With Brackenreid sniffing around, someone set the O’Sheas on him. The O’Sheas were only too happy to take on the task because one of the brothers already had a running with Brackenreid and now they know their backers have the power to put Brackenreid and team out if they want to. The sex ring is one more twist in the plot and I think Mr. Dawkins discovered something and wanted out. He probably was blackmailed into giving up his stake at the docks but still got killed anyway for what he already knew. Even the other storyline with the women is a tough one too. Dr. Grace is in more trouble than she realizes. She works for the government and she left an active case on the slab in the morgue to go out petitioning and campaigning. That Alderman already took notice of her and SH4 will do well to save her job or keep her out of jail. Julia, on the other hand, has a bit of wiggle room as she no longer works for the government but she might get herself into more trouble as she tries to get Emily free knowing that she more or less “dragged” her into it (according to William).
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Post by ziggy on Oct 13, 2014 0:25:05 GMT
Betty is the dog. Betsy is the rifle. I was talking about the rifle. Since I didn’t see any picture, I didn’t know if it was of a dog or a rifle. I just assumed snacky saw a photo of a rifle. The portrait was of a dog. Haha! Okay then, Betsy is the rifle and she is the one I hope to see at the showdown at the docks in pt 2. According to Slorach, she's more reliable than any woman.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 13, 2014 0:58:30 GMT
Cecily MAC KINNON hides something, she downplayed the importance of her role/statut of harbormaster -strategy used to divert the MURDOCH's attention from her- and she's too much cooperative with MURDOCH to be honest... I love the Harbormaster character! Her shameless pose as a husband-hunting widow is obviously a put-on to disarm William: she probably killed her husband, and now she rules the docks with an iron hand. She may well have arranged for the death of Dawkins as a favor to the Chandler's wife. I'm kind of hoping she escapes "justice" this time and continues to be a menace to the constabulary! Yes, her character is intriguing. Mrs McKINNON reminds me of Eva PIERCE. If she really is the villain, and if she really has a crush on him and decides to "hunt" William, she surely thinks that as an influential woman in business, she would be able to corrupt him. Speaking of Mrs McKINNON and Mrs DAWKINS, they both are a widow and they don't need a man to pursue their activities. I think the writers made reference to the women's fight; they furnish the proof that women are as capable as men to run a business.
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Post by ziggy on Oct 13, 2014 1:03:38 GMT
Brackenreid said that Constance Gardener chose to walk away and that it was the view of both their superiors. Giles goes on to say that he was now their superior and he found his version of events highly suspect. There is no evidence that Stockton didn't retire, just as there's no evidence he didn't. Don't think they had commissioners back then. Police forces were just in the big cities except for the Northwest Mounted Police and the Chief Constable was as high as you could get, after that there was nowhere to go except politics. Brackenreid was offered a promotion but turned it down as he wouldn't be a policeman any more. I don't think it had anything to do with protecting William. Brackenreid, like William is a copper at heart. Giles doesn't seem to like anyone at SH4, he doesn't trust them because of CG/AM, can't say I blame him. I think William's Catholicism will hold him back with Giles as much as it did with Stockton, Giles is still Anglican in an Anglican city but what will hold him back more is his behaviour where CG/AM is concerned. The only thing Giles will admit where William is concerned is that he's a brilliant detective. Ava Moon didn’t just decide she didn’t want to stay in jail and walked out of the station. What Brackenreid explained to Giles was that she escaped police custody by breaking the lock which was faulty (that was a lie of course, but that’s the report he sent to the bosses which they accepted – CC Stockton and co. in order to save William’s job and further punishment). He was referring to Stockton as their superior and Giles reminded him that he (Giles) was now also a CC and therefore Brackenreid’s superior too and he didn’t believe Brackenreids version of events. Prior to that, he was an Inspector just like Brackenreid. They were mates. Of course Giles knows that William probably let the woman go (he too picked a lock earlier to go and arrest Ava) and Brackenreid was covering up for him. Giles understood what went on there and will continue to jab them with it at every turn until he gets tired or finds something else to torture them with but he will not tell Stockton or anyone else about it because he is not trying to destroy their careers. He had a chat with William earlier and he knew his conscience bothered him about Ava. He also knows Brackenreid well enough and SH4 team and how they all stick together. I think they already had Commissioner and Chief of Police and their deputies back then. However, I don't think Stockton became a Commissioner either but I think he is still there as a CC.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 13, 2014 1:41:44 GMT
I thought the big secret (which wasn't so secret) was an illegal sex ring operation. But I suppose that could just be one branch of the bigger picture. Now I'm wondering if the Black Hand is back in town. I think the only reason the "Doxy" was involved was because the Mrs. Dawkins wanted to be rid of her cheating husband, and he was threatening to sell the shop. Perhaps the Doxy was used to blackmail him first and that's why he called the meeting in the restaurant? To warn the other shop owners of the methods in play? Anyway - I see no evidence of a "sex ring" here. There could be some Black Hand methods in play, though. Perhaps the Harbormaster is member. There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. 5) Jackson heard another woman in distress before he was attacked I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 1:41:53 GMT
Brackenreid said that Constance Gardener chose to walk away and that it was the view of both their superiors. Giles goes on to say that he was now their superior and he found his version of events highly suspect. There is no evidence that Stockton didn't retire, just as there's no evidence he didn't. Don't think they had commissioners back then. Police forces were just in the big cities except for the Northwest Mounted Police and the Chief Constable was as high as you could get, after that there was nowhere to go except politics. Brackenreid was offered a promotion but turned it down as he wouldn't be a policeman any more. I don't think it had anything to do with protecting William. Brackenreid, like William is a copper at heart. Giles doesn't seem to like anyone at SH4, he doesn't trust them because of CG/AM, can't say I blame him. I think William's Catholicism will hold him back with Giles as much as it did with Stockton, Giles is still Anglican in an Anglican city but what will hold him back more is his behaviour where CG/AM is concerned. The only thing Giles will admit where William is concerned is that he's a brilliant detective. Ava Moon didn’t just decide she didn’t want to stay in jail and walked out of the station. What Brackenreid explained to Giles was that she escaped police custody by breaking the lock which was faulty (that was a lie of course, but that’s the report he sent to the bosses which they accepted – CC Stockton and co. in order to save William’s job and further punishment). He was referring to Stockton as their superior and Giles reminded him that he (Giles) was now also a CC and therefore Brackenreid’s superior too and he didn’t believe Brackenreids version of events. Prior to that, he was an Inspector just like Brackenreid. They were mates. Of course Giles knows that William probably let the woman go (he too picked a lock earlier to go and arrest Ava) and Brackenreid was covering up for him. Giles understood what went on there and will continue to jab them with it at every turn until he gets tired or finds something else to torture them with but he will not tell Stockton or anyone else about it because he is not trying to destroy their careers. He had a chat with William earlier and he knew his conscience bothered him about Ava. He also knows Brackenreid well enough and SH4 team and how they all stick together. I think they already had Commissioner and Chief of Police and their deputies back then. However, I don't think Stockton became a Commissioner either but I think he is still there as a CC. I was giving a BRIEF summation of the conversation between CC Giles and Brackenreid. Brackenreid and Giles were very far from mates. Brackenreid considered him like William, once he set his sights on a suspect that was usually the end of them, he didn't want that for William. In the end he can't stand Giles. Brackenreid was referring to CC Stockton as their superior, who agreed with the version Brackenreid had portayed, however he is NO LONGER their superior. Giles has taken his place and he reminds Brackenreid that he's his superior now. The only police commissioners in Toronto are a board of civilians as an oversight body. They didn't have civilian oversight in 1902. Here's a link to H. J. Grasett the Chief Constable at the time of MM, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._J._Grasett. I think if you read it you'll figure out that he's the head of the police and there's only him, i.e. ONE Chief Constable. Btw, in the movies the CC is Grasett. I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 1:46:10 GMT
I think the only reason the "Doxy" was involved was because the Mrs. Dawkins wanted to be rid of her cheating husband, and he was threatening to sell the shop. Perhaps the Doxy was used to blackmail him first and that's why he called the meeting in the restaurant? To warn the other shop owners of the methods in play? Anyway - I see no evidence of a "sex ring" here. There could be some Black Hand methods in play, though. Perhaps the Harbormaster is member. There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings. If you've seen the preview of E2 shown at the same time as the credits on CBC you'd have seen that there was evidence of someone being held against their will (manacles) and Mrs. Dawkins wasn't aware of anything untoward happening, it seems like she's shocked at something her husband may have done. Suggests human trafficking of prostitutes to me.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 13, 2014 1:52:15 GMT
Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. I was confused at first as to why they said he had been investigating the docks before his beat down. I was under the impression they just beat him up because he beat them up. But I guess I like the fact that there's more to it than that. It's the same reason Jackson was attacked. He was about to find out about their secret ______ ______ operation. The dockworkers beat JACKSON up to send a message to the police station 4; the waterfront is outside their jurisdiction. A woman is killed and before her death, she was sequestered and chained (another allusion to the condition/status of women in this world/the society). That's why I think this is not just about a prostitution related case. Was she supposed to be sold as a slave? Has she been abducted because she was pregnant or to be used as a surrogate mother to provide children to rich families? It's hard to find out and I can't wait for having the answer of this investigation.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 13, 2014 1:52:16 GMT
There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings. If you've seen the preview of E2 shown at the same time as the credits on CBC you'd have seen that there was evidence of someone being held against their will (manacles) and Mrs. Dawkins wasn't aware of anything untoward happening, it seems like she's shocked at something her husband may have done. Suggests human trafficking of prostitutes to me. Yeah I guess I did watch that but I actually forgot about the stuff in it. I'm hopeful it's all just red herrings. I'm not sure that her husband was the perpetrator. They said he liked prostitutes so perhaps he was enjoying the dead girl's company and she told him her story and he said he'd put a stop to it and then they both died for it.
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 1:53:51 GMT
Yes, her character is intriguing. Mrs McKINNON reminds me of Eva PIERCE.
Let's hope that William already learned about all those tricks from Julia!
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 1:56:50 GMT
There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. 5) Jackson heard another woman in distress before he was attacked I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings. Oooh I thought the manacles were from being tortured before she died! Your scenario is equally plausible though. Let's see if other foreign women "in the business" turn up!
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 1:59:42 GMT
There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings. If you've seen the preview of E2 shown at the same time as the credits on CBC you'd have seen that there was evidence of someone being held against their will (manacles) and Mrs. Dawkins wasn't aware of anything untoward happening, it seems like she's shocked at something her husband may have done. Suggests human trafficking of prostitutes to me. Oh my - then the meeting could have related to Dawkins revealing that business...?
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 13, 2014 1:59:54 GMT
Yes, her character is intriguing. Mrs McKINNON reminds me of Eva PIERCE.
Let's hope that William already learned about all those tricks from Julia! I'm sorry to say to you that William is not a good student in this field.
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 2:01:53 GMT
If you've seen the preview of E2 shown at the same time as the credits on CBC you'd have seen that there was evidence of someone being held against their will (manacles) and Mrs. Dawkins wasn't aware of anything untoward happening, it seems like she's shocked at something her husband may have done. Suggests human trafficking of prostitutes to me. Yeah I guess I did watch that but I actually forgot about the stuff in it. I'm hopeful it's all just red herrings. I'm not sure that her husband was the perpetrator. They said he liked prostitutes so perhaps he was enjoying the dead girl's company and she told him her story and he said he'd put a stop to it and then they both died for it. That also sounds plausible. And I'd say this season is 20% darker...
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 13, 2014 2:03:08 GMT
There is a bit of evidence. 1) Emily said the 'doxie's' fillings were lead and that she likely came from Europe. 2) No one claimed her body, which supports the fact that she was foreign 3) She was dressed in rags and manacled 4) They're at the docks so it's super easy to unload their 'product' without anyone being the wiser. 5) Jackson heard another woman in distress before he was attacked I'd be pleased if I'm wrong. I like it when they throw out red herrings. Oooh I thought the manacles were from being tortured before she died! Your scenario is equally plausible though. Let's see if other foreign women "in the business" turn up! Were there any indications on her body that she had been tortured? I don't recall.
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