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Post by snacky on Nov 18, 2014 3:27:58 GMT
He didn't read Dracula, though. I think he may have read more fiction as a boy. The other modern writers he was more familiar with because they also had a direct impact on his fields of interests: Wells on modern science and Doyle on forensics. Well the book was a novella by Mark Twain and had to do with some sort of mystery...I guess that doesn't fit his criteria. Still he said he doesn't read novels which was a straight up lie! Doyle writes short stories. Some of what Wells writes are short stories. I don't think William can be condemned as a liar yet. Also the word "novels" itself might have had a slightly different meaning during that era - referring to novels of sensibility, more women's reading. Which book by Twain was it? Forget Huckleberry Finn - Twain was an awesome character in himself. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 18, 2014 3:31:15 GMT
Well the book was a novella by Mark Twain and had to do with some sort of mystery...I guess that doesn't fit his criteria. Still he said he doesn't read novels which was a straight up lie! Doyle writes short stories. Some of what Wells writes are short stories. I don't think William can be condemned as a liar yet. Also the word "novels" itself might have had a slightly different meaning during that era - referring to novels of sensibility, more women's reading. Which book by Twain was it? Forget Huckleberry Finn - Twain was an awesome character in himself. You and your logic. It's infuriating! They just said it was a recent one. So I guess I need to look that up now. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 18, 2014 3:33:01 GMT
Well the book was a novella by Mark Twain and had to do with some sort of mystery...I guess that doesn't fit his criteria. Still he said he doesn't read novels which was a straight up lie! Doyle writes short stories. Some of what Wells writes are short stories. I don't think William can be condemned as a liar yet. Also the word "novels" itself might have had a slightly different meaning during that era - referring to novels of sensibility, more women's reading. Which book by Twain was it? Forget Huckleberry Finn - Twain was an awesome character in himself. Here we go: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Double_Barrelled_Detective_Story |
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Post by snacky on Nov 18, 2014 3:38:43 GMT
Doyle writes short stories. Some of what Wells writes are short stories. I don't think William can be condemned as a liar yet. Also the word "novels" itself might have had a slightly different meaning during that era - referring to novels of sensibility, more women's reading. Which book by Twain was it? Forget Huckleberry Finn - Twain was an awesome character in himself. You and your logic. It's infuriating! They just said it was a recent one. So I guess I need to look that up now. Actually I'm just obsessed with William's relationship with the Dracula novel, for reasons you can grok.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 18, 2014 18:16:02 GMT
I don't know if I want to see her shipped with Henry, but I will take some casual sex between the two of them. I want to see Emily/Henry pRon. There was definitely a crushing-on-you glance from Henry. please don't go there MM
Despite my soapbox earlier, I did think the "meta" in this episode was really clever. The portrayal of the "fans" wasn't particularly insulting, and I thought it was terrific the ringleader owned a bookshop and was actually a candidate for the brain science study. The surprise-hug at the end and William's expression was priceless: that's what happens when YB says "why not", hahahahah!  I agree with CC's first impression that carriage talk was also meta: "conversations of little merit" are infinite shipper speculations before the marriage. Now that William and Julia are married, "conversations" and episodes can get on to more interesting matters. Or so the writers thing. Hehe.  Has anyone noticed MM's grand multi-year spanning game of Cards Against Humanity Birdwatchers? Someone is totally spooked by birdwatchers as if they were evil clowns! I bet there is a lot of meta in there we haven't even noticed. Julia must be picking up the tab for the hotel, so William is a kept man right now. Valet parking the bike - LOL. I wonder if that conversation went something like: William...how would you like to continue our honeymoon for a while longer...?
The Inspector just seemed taken aback by William's sense of humor, not grumpy about it. He's not even sure what to do with that. The world is changing around him!  I like the idea of the Father/Son Talk Carriage. I have to be shallow and say that William was looking studly this ep. I can see why he had fans! Classic Julia to observe and be amused. Also I like how the whole "fan" concept was built from different real elements: sensationalizing news articles, the pulp stories of Mark Twain, the original "serial" mysteries of Sherlock Holmes, etc. The Twain novel is itself an early exercise in meta, as it is a parody of Sherlock Holmes in which Twain himself makes a guest star appearance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Double_Barrelled_Detective_StoryTwain was such a hoot! I also didn't realize he was a great friend of Tesla: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain#Love_of_science_and_technologyI guess he never went anywhere near Canada, or he would have been on MM already. Check out this pic of Mark Twain in Tesla's lab! Look familiar?   |
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Post by snacky on Nov 18, 2014 19:39:17 GMT
Actually Twain did visit Toronto in 1884-85 www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41641453?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104584337331Hope he left some autographed copies for Mrs. Dewar! Wow - Toronto was the "nest of unscrupulous Canadian publishers" selling unauthorized copies and depriving him of thousands of dollars in royalties! Toronto the Good, eh?  It looks like Toronto was the Russians/Chinese copyright pirates of the day! By the way I finally get the reason for all these Big Name visits to Toronto. It isn't really Deux ex Machina after all. As an outpost of the British Empire, American citizens - particularly intellectuals with copyright/patent needs - can dash across the border and do legal business with the British Empire in Toronto. Big Mystery solved there! I bet there's an MM episode in that copyright issue somewhere - particularly since it comments so cleverly on the contemporary issues. And I'm sure MM's love hate relationship with fans like me who deprive them of profits in their impatience to see the new episodes yet, hopefully, are considered part of their buzz machine. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 18, 2014 19:49:42 GMT
Actually Twain did visit Toronto in 1884-85 www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41641453?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104584337331Hope he left some autographed copies for Mrs. Dewar! Wow - Toronto was the "nest of unscrupulous Canadian publishers" selling unauthorized copies and depriving him of thousands of dollars in royalties! Toronto the Good, eh? It looks like Toronto was the Russians/Chinese copyright pirates of the day! By the way I finally get the reason for all these Big Name visits to Toronto. It isn't really Deux ex Machina after all. As an outpost of the British Empire, American citizens - particularly intellectuals with copyright/patent needs - can dash across the border and do legal business with the British Empire in Toronto. Big Mystery solved there! I bet there's an MM episode in that copyright issue somewhere - particularly since it comments so cleverly on the contemporary issues. And I'm sure MM's love hate relationship with fans like me who deprive them of profits in their impatience to see the new episodes yet, hopefully, are considered part of their buzz machine. I think the copyright issue might have been covered in a Pendrick episode if it has. And actually that makes sense, for all those "Big Names" to visit Toronto. It is the only part of the British Empire at that point on the North American continent. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 18, 2014 19:55:28 GMT
Actually Twain did visit Toronto in 1884-85 www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41641453?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104584337331Hope he left some autographed copies for Mrs. Dewar! Wow - Toronto was the "nest of unscrupulous Canadian publishers" selling unauthorized copies and depriving him of thousands of dollars in royalties! Toronto the Good, eh? It looks like Toronto was the Russians/Chinese copyright pirates of the day! By the way I finally get the reason for all these Big Name visits to Toronto. It isn't really Deux ex Machina after all. As an outpost of the British Empire, American citizens - particularly intellectuals with copyright/patent needs - can dash across the border and do legal business with the British Empire in Toronto. Big Mystery solved there! I bet there's an MM episode in that copyright issue somewhere - particularly since it comments so cleverly on the contemporary issues. And I'm sure MM's love hate relationship with fans like me who deprive them of profits in their impatience to see the new episodes yet, hopefully, are considered part of their buzz machine. I think the copyright issue might have been covered in a Pendrick episode if it has. And actually that makes sense, for all those "Big Names" to visit Toronto. It is the only part of the British Empire at that point on the North American continent. That episode was about technical patents and Edison's patent trolling - that's a similar issue, but not quite the same as copyright pirating (like making a business out of selling illegal copies of books). This was actually quite a thriving business before International copyrights were developed. MM should probably spell out that's why the Big Names have to make point of visiting Toronto. Because of the History Teaching Fail going on, I think no one understands what a big deal Toronto was at that point because of the Great Lakes economy. Perhaps that is something to do with the MM web site - really drill home why Toronto was a major city and why all those historical figures would be stopping off there. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 18, 2014 20:17:12 GMT
I don't know if I want to see her shipped with Henry, but I will take some casual sex between the two of them. I want to see Emily/Henry pRon. There was definitely a crushing-on-you glance from Henry. please don't go there MM
Despite my soapbox earlier, I did think the "meta" in this episode was really clever. The portrayal of the "fans" wasn't particularly insulting, and I thought it was terrific the ringleader owned a bookshop and was actually a candidate for the brain science study. The surprise-hug at the end and William's expression was priceless: that's what happens when YB says "why not", hahahahah! I agree with CC's first impression that carriage talk was also meta: "conversations of little merit" are infinite shipper speculations before the marriage. Now that William and Julia are married, "conversations" and episodes can get on to more interesting matters. Or so the writers thing. Hehe. Has anyone noticed MM's grand multi-year spanning game of Cards Against Humanity Birdwatchers? Someone is totally spooked by birdwatchers as if they were evil clowns! I bet there is a lot of meta in there we haven't even noticed. Julia must be picking up the tab for the hotel, so William is a kept man right now. Valet parking the bike - LOL. I wonder if that conversation went something like: William...how would you like to continue our honeymoon for a while longer...?
The Inspector just seemed taken aback by William's sense of humor, not grumpy about it. He's not even sure what to do with that. The world is changing around him! I like the idea of the Father/Son Talk Carriage. I have to be shallow and say that William was looking studly this ep. I can see why he had fans! Classic Julia to observe and be amused. Also I like how the whole "fan" concept was built from different real elements: sensationalizing news articles, the pulp stories of Mark Twain, the original "serial" mysteries of Sherlock Holmes, etc. The Twain novel is itself an early exercise in meta, as it is a parody of Sherlock Holmes in which Twain himself makes a guest star appearance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Double_Barrelled_Detective_StoryTwain was such a hoot! I also didn't realize he was a great friend of Tesla: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain#Love_of_science_and_technologyI guess he never went anywhere near Canada, or he would have been on MM already. Check out this pic of Mark Twain in Tesla's lab! Look familiar? As I said before I wasn't sure about this episode when I first watched it, I think because it was so complex it was hard to take it all in in one go. I also watch all eps with my husband when broadcast and I find that distracting for some reason, I don't feel comfortable getting totally 'into' it. On watching it for the fourth time I think I can say that this is my favourite ep of this season. It was masterfully done with so many elements and of course Drowning InChocolate's hug at the end was the icing on the cake. I too wondered if this wasn't scripted and put in as a surprise for Yannick. I wasn't at all insulted by any of the 'fans' or Mr. B's happy dafties comment. In fact I've said all along that we're all basically crazy so happy dafties seems like an apt term. Loved when Emily was watching William, trying to see him as the romantic, must be hard when she usually sees him in his detective compartment. On occasion she has seen him in a more relaxed way with Julia but still not quite the romantic lover that Julia is suggesting. I'm wondering if Julia's a bit surprised too that the honeymoon romance hasn't yet waned. Perhaps William has more to offer than she expected.... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 18, 2014 20:41:58 GMT
There was definitely a crushing-on-you glance from Henry. please don't go there MM
Despite my soapbox earlier, I did think the "meta" in this episode was really clever. The portrayal of the "fans" wasn't particularly insulting, and I thought it was terrific the ringleader owned a bookshop and was actually a candidate for the brain science study. The surprise-hug at the end and William's expression was priceless: that's what happens when YB says "why not", hahahahah! I agree with CC's first impression that carriage talk was also meta: "conversations of little merit" are infinite shipper speculations before the marriage. Now that William and Julia are married, "conversations" and episodes can get on to more interesting matters. Or so the writers thing. Hehe. Has anyone noticed MM's grand multi-year spanning game of Cards Against Humanity Birdwatchers? Someone is totally spooked by birdwatchers as if they were evil clowns! I bet there is a lot of meta in there we haven't even noticed. Julia must be picking up the tab for the hotel, so William is a kept man right now. Valet parking the bike - LOL. I wonder if that conversation went something like: William...how would you like to continue our honeymoon for a while longer...?
The Inspector just seemed taken aback by William's sense of humor, not grumpy about it. He's not even sure what to do with that. The world is changing around him! I like the idea of the Father/Son Talk Carriage. I have to be shallow and say that William was looking studly this ep. I can see why he had fans! Classic Julia to observe and be amused. Also I like how the whole "fan" concept was built from different real elements: sensationalizing news articles, the pulp stories of Mark Twain, the original "serial" mysteries of Sherlock Holmes, etc. The Twain novel is itself an early exercise in meta, as it is a parody of Sherlock Holmes in which Twain himself makes a guest star appearance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Double_Barrelled_Detective_StoryTwain was such a hoot! I also didn't realize he was a great friend of Tesla: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain#Love_of_science_and_technologyI guess he never went anywhere near Canada, or he would have been on MM already. Check out this pic of Mark Twain in Tesla's lab! Look familiar? As I said before I wasn't sure about this episode when I first watched it, I think because it was so complex it was hard to take it all in in one go. I also watch all eps with my husband when broadcast and I find that distracting for some reason, I don't feel comfortable getting totally 'into' it. On watching it for the fourth time I think I can say that this is my favourite ep of this season. It was masterfully done with so many elements and of course Drowning InChocolate's hug at the end was the icing on the cake. I too wondered if this wasn't scripted and put in as a surprise for Yannick. I wasn't at all insulted by any of the 'fans' or Mr. B's happy dafties comment. In fact I've said all along that we're all basically crazy so happy dafties seems like an apt term. Loved when Emily was watching William, trying to see him as the romantic, must be hard when she usually sees him in his detective compartment. On occasion she has seen him in a more relaxed way with Julia but still not quite the romantic lover that Julia is suggesting. I'm wondering if Julia's a bit surprised too that the honeymoon romance hasn't yet waned. Perhaps William has more to offer than she expected.... She's surprised at his skill as a lover perhaps? You know, because Ettie taught him a thing or ten, plus all those books he read. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 19, 2014 20:17:09 GMT
I've been reading the Wikipedia article on Mark Twain with great interest - his life really does touch on the most interesting aspects of this whole era! He panned for gold. He was a river boat pilot. He was hard-charging newspaperman! He was a freemason. He was in the room with Tesla. He joined a Yale secret society. He went after those evil Canadian copyright pirates! He was interested in parapsychology. He was not only an abolititionist, he was a "socialist" in other respects as well - pro-union, anti-imperialist, suspicious of missionary activity... and he made a famous speech supporting women's suffrage! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votes_for_Women_%28speech%29And of course he wrote the Great American Novel. Several Times Over. Are we sure Mark Twain wasn't a Time Lord! He was more or less a Geeky Guidebook of the era unto himself. The irony is Twain's life is a lot more interesting than his books, IMHO. (Mainly because I can't stand dialect). By the way, Twain even defined "The Gilded Age": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gilded_Age:_A_Tale_of_Today |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 19, 2014 20:23:50 GMT
I've been reading the Wikipedia article on Mark Twain with great interest - his life really does touch on the most interesting aspects of this whole era! He panned for gold. He was a river boat pilot. He was hard-charging newspaperman! He was a freemason. He was in the room with Tesla. He joined a Yale secret society. He went after those evil Canadian copyright pirates! He was interested in parapsychology. He was not only an abolititionist, he was a "socialist" in other respects as well - pro-union, anti-imperialist, suspicious of missionary activity... and he made a famous speech supporting women's suffrage! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votes_for_Women_%28speech%29And of course he wrote the Great American Novel. Several Times Over. Are we sure Mark Twain wasn't a Time Lord! He was more or less a Geeky Guidebook of the era unto himself. The irony is Twain's life is a lot more interesting than his books, IMHO. (Mainly because I can't stand dialect). By the way, Twain even defined "The Gilded Age": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gilded_Age:_A_Tale_of_TodayAgreed-Mr. Clemens was an amazing man and to solely portray him as the author of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn misses his true genius. I've always enjoyed his short stories and newspaper articles with their pithy quotes. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 19, 2014 20:39:32 GMT
Agreed-Mr. Clemens was an amazing man and to solely portray him as the author of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn misses his true genius. I've always enjoyed his short stories and newspaper articles with their pithy quotes. I was really intrigued by that part where he predicted his brother Henry's death. It's not like Mark Twain is a flake - he seems like a practical, reasonable man. I don't know if you caught my post a few days ago about my freaky experience with the Lifehouse music vid prediction, but I also consider myself to be rather reason-oriented and coincidence-aware. Stuff like this makes me wonder whether there actually is evidence of some subconscious future knowledge all around, but it's so regularly explained away as coincidence suppressed as something unprovable that it just doesn't gain the critical mass necessary for general acceptance. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 19, 2014 22:02:38 GMT
Agreed-Mr. Clemens was an amazing man and to solely portray him as the author of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn misses his true genius. I've always enjoyed his short stories and newspaper articles with their pithy quotes. I was really intrigued by that part where he predicted his brother Henry's death. It's not like Mark Twain is a flake - he seems like a practical, reasonable man. I don't know if you caught my post a few days ago about my freaky experience with the Lifehouse music vid prediction, but I also consider myself to be rather reason-oriented and coincidence-aware. Stuff like this makes me wonder whether there actually is evidence of some subconscious future knowledge all around, but it's so regularly explained away as coincidence suppressed as something unprovable that it just doesn't gain the critical mass necessary for general acceptance. I've had a couple of experiences the most recent being a phone call. Before my husband answered I said it would be my friend's husband saying she was in the hospital and they couldn't come to dinner. It was, she'd been taken to the hospital that afternoon with kidney stones. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 19, 2014 23:05:14 GMT
I was really intrigued by that part where he predicted his brother Henry's death. It's not like Mark Twain is a flake - he seems like a practical, reasonable man. I don't know if you caught my post a few days ago about my freaky experience with the Lifehouse music vid prediction, but I also consider myself to be rather reason-oriented and coincidence-aware. Stuff like this makes me wonder whether there actually is evidence of some subconscious future knowledge all around, but it's so regularly explained away as coincidence suppressed as something unprovable that it just doesn't gain the critical mass necessary for general acceptance. I've had a couple of experiences the most recent being a phone call. Before my husband answered I said it would be my friend's husband saying she was in the hospital and they couldn't come to dinner. It was, she'd been taken to the hospital that afternoon with kidney stones. Something similar happened to me that was quite convincing. I was visiting the town where I grew up, and a boy I'd once dated suddenly came to mind, and I brought him up with my sisters. This wasn't a local boy - he was a guy from out of town that I had met at camp. I had not seen him since he had taken me to a home-coming dance in high school. Within minutes after he popped into my head and I brought him up, the phone rang, and he called me! Of course the question is: did I predict his call, or was a connection formed that provoked him to call me? My thought is that you probably can't see the future if you try because that part of your brain is stuck in the chain of causality. However your subconscious might be able to access some quantum entanglement stream of information, and occasionally junk from that stream will pop into your head unbidden. |
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I like the idea of the Father/Son Talk Carriage.
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