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Post by ziggy on Nov 26, 2014 6:14:25 GMT
That's one difference between William and Brax there. A similar situation in Kung Fu Crabtree when the brother decided to take the blame for his sister's action and George didn't think it was right or fair. Brax told him to honor the man's wishes to save his sister. How would William have handled that, I wonder? Oooh, excellent question. Excellent, indeed. *bows* I have no answer to my question though .
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 6:20:14 GMT
Once again I didn't see it that way. I saw compassion for a man that hadn't had the benefit of love the the last 21 years. I'm kind of fascinated that this is what you saw in it. It's a pretty beautiful sentiment. I think you may have been a bit seduced by Giles in that minute!
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 6:26:57 GMT
No, you can regret it but unfortunately we can't do anything about it.... I miss Dr. Ogden, but I'll still probably watch next season. Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who is prepared to see her beloved Dr. Ogden get killed off at the end of the season-perhaps in shades of the movie "Seven" so that we can watch her husband unravel and go even darker next season. I don't want it mind you, but I am preparing myself for it. I'm a shipper, but I love William's character as well and I'd stay to watch Snacky's dream Greek Tragedy! Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuughhhhhh (*Charlie Brown sounds*) - now you're putting that Julia DOA scenario back in my head. dang you bookworm. and dang you too FallenBelle for ringing poor Julia's death toll again. Haven't my speculative powers proven pretty reliable so far this season? I predict Julia will not die at the end of this season. THE GREAT SNACKY HAS SPOKEN. so there.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 26, 2014 6:29:26 GMT
Perhaps not. But I can express regret about the loss of a character I loved if people can express their sorrow over the loss over Hodge. Also, apologies if I seemed harsh, but I bristled at the insinuation that I was a spoiled child who was going to take her toys and go home if she didn't get what she wanted. More apologies if this is not what you were inferring. I miss Dr. Ogden, but I'll still probably watch next season. Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who is prepared to see her beloved Dr. Ogden get killed off at the end of the season-perhaps in shades of the movie "Seven" so that we can watch her husband unravel and go even darker next season. I don't want it mind you, but I am preparing myself for it. I'm a shipper, but I love William's character as well and I'd stay to watch Snacky's dream Greek Tragedy! Glad to hear you're prepared to stick it out. I hope Julia isn't killed off and I doubt she will be but I'm no speculator so I'll leave it at that. Btw, it's been said on fb that Helene Joy is in a couple of episodes of Heartland coming up soon, she may have been off filming those and not available for this episode. Timing would seem about right.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 26, 2014 6:32:02 GMT
I miss Dr. Ogden, but I'll still probably watch next season. Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who is prepared to see her beloved Dr. Ogden get killed off at the end of the season-perhaps in shades of the movie "Seven" so that we can watch her husband unravel and go even darker next season. I don't want it mind you, but I am preparing myself for it. I'm a shipper, but I love William's character as well and I'd stay to watch Snacky's dream Greek Tragedy! Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuughhhhhh (*Charlie Brown sounds*) - now you're putting that Julia DOA scenario back in my head. dang you bookworm. and dang you too FallenBelle for ringing poor Julia's death toll again. Haven't my speculative powers proven pretty reliable so far this season? I predict Julia will not die at the end of this season. THE GREAT SNACKY HAS SPOKEN. so there. Admit it, you totally want to see it for angsty!William.
Also, I totally scared myself just now with my idea of an homage to Seven.
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 6:49:11 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuughhhhhh (*Charlie Brown sounds*) - now you're putting that Julia DOA scenario back in my head. dang you bookworm. and dang you too FallenBelle for ringing poor Julia's death toll again. Haven't my speculative powers proven pretty reliable so far this season? I predict Julia will not die at the end of this season. THE GREAT SNACKY HAS SPOKEN. so there. Admit it, you totally want to see it for angsty!William.
Also, I totally scared myself just now with my idea of an homage to Seven. * flagellates self for mind going to dark places* But I can totally do angsty!William in head canon or fic, so for the sake of healthy and happy continuation of the show, let's go with the idea that Julia starts the world's first private full-service crime lab in Toronto! *thinks about rainbows and unicorns*
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 7:31:37 GMT
Hodge's Pub. It's a good thing William doesn't drink - I don't think he'd be welcome. Hodge doesn't hold a grudge, but William kind of broke the code, and both Hodge and Giles went to jail for it...
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 7:44:06 GMT
hmm - while there may have been no "Giles accessory to murder" end game, in the TV-Eh article Paul Aitken says:
Therefore, there *has* always been that underlying tension - the touch of confict or even hypocrisy underlying Giles's obsession with taking down William a moral peg or two. The "secret" may not have been completely filled in, but the notion of a secret was there.
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 8:45:32 GMT
In past episodes we could have fudged the lack of flourescing spray before the ultraviolet light because the scenes were cut in such a way that the viewer might just have missed that part.
However, in What Lies Buried there's no way to ignore it: ultraviolet light magically reveals bloodstains!
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Post by snacky on Nov 26, 2014 9:05:35 GMT
Giles remark: "I don't see how this is germane." (while William is offering the truth about Constance Gardner)
What Giles is doing there is keeping William on track about the nature of the confession he wants. He just told William that the instincts for truth and loyalty exist on the same moral plane, but one can never overcome the other without cost. He wants to hear William confess that he experienced that clash of truth and loyalty, let other loyalties overcome truth, and paid the price. The "details" as to why don't matter.
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Post by shangas on Nov 26, 2014 12:11:40 GMT
Damn it!!
WILL YOU SLOW DOWN!!??
Honestly. You go out for a Christmas party with friends for a few hours, and now I gotta catch up on four pages of discussions...
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Post by bookworm1225 on Nov 26, 2014 14:28:32 GMT
Yeah, I think I posted it somewhere around page 8/9, and it was indeed enlightening and very interesting. I loved the ep, don't get me wrong. But, I'm getting more and more concerned for Julia's character. I really don't see why to be any more concerned about Julia's character than at the start of Season 5. She's been "arm candy" this whole time. It still seems to me that you are succumbing to post-marriage panic, which is punishing Peter Mitchell for "pulling the trigger". The onus is now on Peter Mitchell and the other writers to prove that "pulling the trigger" on the marriage did not kill MM - and I don't think killing Julia or otherwise writing her out of the show would disprove the Moonlighting Curse: it would verify it. Though bookworm did I think accidentally offer up a good way to kill off Julia some day don't kill me: make her the Dead Person in an MM version of DOA. Ugh, that might kill William, too. Dang you bookworm for making that a mindworm! You better write that as a fanfic!
Dear MM writers: if you even think of doing that, it better be the last episode of MM, and William had better die, too! And it better be after several hundred episodes when it's time for MM to retire!
Hey, *I* never said the victim would be Julia! *grin*
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 26, 2014 14:31:38 GMT
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 26, 2014 15:56:26 GMT
In past episodes we could have fudged the lack of flourescing spray before the ultraviolet light because the scenes were cut in such a way that the viewer might just have missed that part. However, in What Lies Buried there's no way to ignore it: ultraviolet light magically reveals bloodstains! The thing is, it's either or. You either use the spray to cause fluorescence OR you use the UV light to show dark spots. It's not both. And in earlier seasons they got this right but then they got lazy and just had the UV light cause fluorescence. But it's a fairly small nitpick and if they want to save time doing it this way so they can spend more time on good plots, I'm all for it.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 26, 2014 16:13:54 GMT
Giles remark: "I don't see how this is germane." (while William is offering the truth about Constance Gardner) What Giles is doing there is keeping William on track about the nature of the confession he wants. He just told William that the instincts for truth and loyalty exist on the same moral plane, but one can never overcome the other without cost. He wants to hear William confess that he experienced that clash of truth and loyalty, let other loyalties overcome truth, and paid the price. The "details" as to why don't matter. Giles has never been a 'details' man, all he wants is the end truth, how you got there doesn't matter. Surprised he was a good cop, surely detection is all about the details, William seems to think so anyway.
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