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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 23:55:40 GMT
This really is an Angsty!William episode. He's pining for Julia, Poor William. I really think he believed that Julia's departure materially decreased his ability to solve crimes. I love how we finally see William's emotions in this ep, and I love how indirect the writers were about it in just making William so dysfunctional. He really was getting EXTRA service from Julia, though, and I think he does from Emily, too. It takes a team to make hm the "Great Detective". Americans need to see that part, lol.  |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 0:37:07 GMT
This really is an Angsty!William episode. He's pining for Julia, Poor William. I really think he believed that Julia's departure materially decreased his ability to solve crimes. I love how we finally see William's emotions in this ep, and I love how indirect the writers were about it in just making William so dysfunctional. He really was getting EXTRA service from Julia, though, and I think he does from Emily, too. It takes a team to make hm the "Great Detective". Americans need to see that part, lol. I also think this underlines William's understanding that he is a better detective with the input of other people. In Buffalo Shuffle, he tells Det. Callaghan that Julia was "indispensible to his work". There's also the matter of George's prattling leading to William connecting random dots (though I believe Wm is less aware of this). There is definitely a symbiotic relationship between the detective and those who collect and process evidence that exists in all crime shows. There has to be a hero/heroine who puts it all together but they have to trust and value the work of the team. Everybody does their best work because they want the detective to shine. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 0:56:38 GMT
he is a better detective with input of other people.George's prattling leading William connecting random dots (Wm is less aware of this). Just noted this in Body Double when George deduced the secret door lever was the Hamlet book! |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 1:10:26 GMT
he is a better detective with input of other people.George's prattling leading William connecting random dots (Wm is less aware of this). Just noted this in Body Double when George deduced the secret door lever was the Hamlet book! George suggested that Gillies was the coachman in Crime and Punishment. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 2:37:56 GMT
Just noted this in Body Double when George deduced the secret door lever was the Hamlet book! George suggested that Gillies was the coachman in Crime and Punishment. George also figured out the "Capitalist Conspiracy" in Murdoch on the Corner. And he also set up the photo sting in Buffalo Shuffle. He's a very smart guy, but it seems like he's not given the credit for it because of his goofy personality.  |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 2:51:02 GMT
George suggested that Gillies was the coachman in Crime and Punishment. George also figured out the "Capitalist Conspiracy" in Murdoch on the Corner. And he also set up the photo sting in Buffalo Shuffle. He's a very smart guy, but it seems like he's not given the credit for it because of his goofy personality. Agreed. George is a very astute protege. I like that he gets temporary promotions every once in a while to shine. He is the perfect sidekick and the best part is he has his own in Henry. Fortunately, spinoffs are a rarity in Canadian tv because George is an excellent candidate for a lead role. Not at this point, but certainly by S8. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:51:53 GMT
Fortunately, spinoffs are a rarity in Canadian tv because George is an excellent candidate for a lead role. Not at this point, but certainly by S8. With advance apologies to Jonny, I don't think he could carry a spin off. First, what makes MM special is how the characters play off each other. Even YB couldn't save that show if the character interactions weren't as great as they are. Second, George is comic relief. So if he had a show, would it be a comedy? That's a completely different animal than MM. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 6:02:03 GMT
Fortunately, spinoffs are a rarity in Canadian tv because George is an excellent candidate for a lead role. Not at this point, but certainly by S8. With advance apologies to Jonny, I don't think he could carry a spin off. First, what makes MM special is how the characters play off each other. Even YB couldn't save that show if the character interactions weren't as great as they are. Second, George is comic relief. So if he had a show, would it be a comedy? That's a completely different animal than MM. I do agree. I think CBC was smart to give Jonny the extra exposure with his own comedy show. This means that his need to spread his wings can be met without messing with the ensemble cast of MM. I really think this show is greater than the sum of its parts ergo, all parts need to remain for continued greatness. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 6:07:34 GMT
With advance apologies to Jonny, I don't think he could carry a spin off. First, what makes MM special is how the characters play off each other. Even YB couldn't save that show if the character interactions weren't as great as they are. Second, George is comic relief. So if he had a show, would it be a comedy? That's a completely different animal than MM. I do agree. I think CBC was smart to give Jonny the extra exposure with his own comedy show. This means that his need to spread his wings can be met without messing with the ensemble cast of MM. I really think this show is greater than the sum of its parts ergo, all parts need to remain for continued greatness. This is one way of giving valued characters a raise, too. But it's still more work instead of paying them more for their time. |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Nov 16, 2014 17:19:20 GMT
This is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series, not least because of the title. I have a tough time coming up with good titles for whatever I write, but I can certainly appreciate 'em when I see 'em - and this one is perfect. Just think of everything that description applies to in the episode:
1) The three murder victims
2) William's life - his relationship with Julia, his commitment to his work, even his relationships with Brackenreid and the Station House 4 constables
3) Malcolm Lamb's life - and one can argue about whether what he did repaired it, or made it worse
It's also interesting to compare the discussion William had with Malcolm Lamb in this episode and the one he had with Inspector Giles at the end of the season, and to think about what brought William to accept what Lamb said, and reject what Giles said.
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 17:25:07 GMT
It's also interesting to compare the discussion William had with Malcolm Lamb in this episode and the one he had with Inspector Giles at the end of the season, and to think about what brought William to accept what Lamb said, and reject what Giles said. I think seeing what happened to Lamb gave William the strength to reject Giles later. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 17:28:45 GMT
This is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series, not least because of the title. I have a tough time coming up with good titles for whatever I write, but I can certainly appreciate 'em when I see 'em - and this one is perfect. Just think of everything that description applies to in the episode: 1) The three murder victims 2) William's life - his relationship with Julia, his commitment to his work, even his relationships with Brackenreid and the Station House 4 constables 3) Malcolm Lamb's life - and one can argue about whether what he did repaired it, or made it worse It's also interesting to compare the discussion William had with Malcolm Lamb in this episode and the one he had with Inspector Giles at the end of the season, and to think about what brought William to accept what Lamb said, and reject what Giles said. On top of it all you have George using the elements of the crime scene to compose a story that reflects the darker side of human nature. Good point about the discussion with Lamb. William hadn't reached that conclusion yet but he recognized that it played a large role in his loss of Julia. It also set up a thought pattern wherein William was able to release Ava Moon at the end of the season. He took the law into his own hands, just not to the degree that Lamb did. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 1:40:19 GMT
On top of it all you have George using the elements of the crime scene to compose a story that reflects the darker side of human nature. William hadn't reached that conclusion yet but he recognized that it played a large role in his loss of Julia. It also set up a thought pattern wherein William was able to release Ava Moon at the end of the season. He took the law into his own hands, just not to the degree that Lamb did. I love how George is introduced as not just a writer, but a pretty "thinky" one. Toronto has a symbolic river of slime running through it.  I have to say it again - I adore William's slump in that scene with Lamb. He totally recognizes he screwed up somehow, even if he's not totally sure how. He knows it has something to do with not responding to an ultimatum in a timely manner, being too focused on the job to notice what Julia wanted from him...all these months later he's still trying to figure it out. This talk with Lamb helped clarify matters a lot for him, though.  I agree - Lamb's fate was a dark mirror for William. He knew he could release Ava Moon then or always obsess about her later and turn into a warped man like Lamb. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 17, 2014 20:52:18 GMT
Rewatched this episode tonight - I'm surprised there is so little commentary on it! William noticeably slumped when Lam said he lost his fiance because he hesitated over her ultimatum. So I think the audience is meant to think that William thinks the reason he lost Julia is he didn't respond quickly enough when she said she couldn't have children. And of course he had let things drag out with her in general, and he didn't get to her before the train departed. He also mentions hesitating in The Murdoch Effect. I've just re-watched this episode for the umpteenth time. I was never sure what I felt about it before but I've decided I love it. I don’t think William chose the job over Julia. When Det. Lamb tells him that when given an ultimatum he didn’t answer right away that’s when we see the epic slump. William has just realized he also didn’t answer right away and that’s what sent Julia away. Sarah Conley said that she lost Malcolm Lamb for reasons she couldn’t comprehend and never will, this also reflects William’s feelings about losing Julia but now he does comprehend why he lost her. This is a true shipper episode, perhaps for the first time we see just how much William loves Julia and now, in his mind, he’s unable to let her know. |
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Post by lea on Jul 22, 2015 3:59:52 GMT
Another ep a day!
1. I love Francis. Just want to put that out there. I just love it when William is annoyed. I wish he would have stayed longer or would have liked if they clawed him out of wherever he went for season 5!
2. William should have just claimed he'd been reading about transplantology. Would have saved him some grief on the Francis front!
3. As it's been discussed he certainly took what happened with Lamb's fiance to heart. This seemed to really sit with him and perhaps what helped lit a fire under his bum and get him out to Buffalo albeit too late.
4. Murdoch is DEFINITELY lucky there were three victims instead of one.
5. I was bummed Lamb had committed the murders. I like Victor Garber and it would have been fun to have him back again.
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