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Post by hannikan on Jan 18, 2013 21:57:28 GMT
Yeah, that must have been interesting. My MIL went to Ireland last summer, but not to Belfast. I remember there were some tensions in the news surrounding the Queen's Jubilee. Some of the political conflicts of our time are so many centuries old. It's sad to think of.
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Post by shangas on Jan 19, 2013 1:50:04 GMT
Ireland has had a very troubled past. Religious infighting still goes on there. And there's a lot of anti-British sentiment in certain places. In almost every major conflict, Ireland has either been neutral, or sided against Britain. The Napoleonic wars is one. WWI is another. WWII yet another.
In fact in WWII, some Irishmen signed up for service in the British forces.
To this day, they NEVER EVER MENTION IT. Because if they do, they'd probably get beat up on the streets.
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Post by kat on Jun 12, 2013 12:41:38 GMT
I just watched this episode yesterday with my husband, and this morning he gets up singing "Rule Britannia", which is pretty funny when you consider that the closest he's gotten to Britain is walking past a globe!  |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Jun 17, 2013 4:12:59 GMT
I'm a little late to this party.  I'd like to give my thoughts on this episode anyways. I loved it. I figured out the culprit the moment I saw him, though, but that's a s6 thing. A lot of the plots were easy to guess. :/ As for the Jilliam drama, I've often felt like I'm the only one who completely understands Julia in this episode. She doesn't want to lie, and she feels she can't do it to Darcy, who has done nothing wrong and whom she still respects a great deal, though she does not love him. She's sticking to her morales, despite the difficulties it brings. That's one of my favorite things about Julia. And she did not mean to 'damn his religion', as many claim. That was and never will be her intention; how many times has she proved she respects William's beliefs and ideals. I believe she said "you work it out with your God" because she was utterly frustrated. With the stress of the day, I think anyone would be. Not only that, but she has given up a lot for William, despite what many say. Her marriage, a stable future, her reputation within the community... I think, hearing that they may be torn apart once again because of his religion, after everything they had been through, made her snap. It would have made me snap. Again and again, his religion comes between them, but she's never reacted to that in any way before. She completely understands his beliefs, and he wouldn't be William Murdoch without them. Just this once, she got sick and tired of it. The comments on Facebook always annoy me. Sometimes I wonder why I even go on there. I'll listen to opinions with reasonable and sensible arguments to back them up, but silly and shallow ones like "OMGZ I HATE JULIA WHAT A WITCH WILLIAM DESERVES BETTER I LUV HUM!1!1" irritate me to no end. |
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Post by hannikan on Jun 22, 2013 5:54:58 GMT
I agree with you completely about Julia's reaction and her respect for William's Catholicism, Melody.  She's criticized some of the more rigid beliefs he's held, but never once Catholicism specifically. The criticisms she's had were toward rigid beliefs in Christianity, in general, not just Catholicism. Homosexuality, abortion, contraception, these were all prohibited by Protestant faiths, as well. That's why they were all illegal, too. If only Catholicism had prohibited these things, they wouldn't have been illegal in a predominantly Protestant country. The only frustration Julia's had about his Catholic faith specifically has been its policy regarding divorce. But there were some Protestant sects that did not allow for divorce, too. I grew up in one of them, which didn't allow it until pretty recently. She's far more accepting of his Catholic faith than anyone other non-Catholic characters, aside from George. I also get frustrated by some of the comments on the MM FB board. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 10, 2015 5:07:58 GMT
I just realized something about the scene where Julia raises the possibility of getting a divorce that really bugs me.
The first time Julia mentioned the idea of getting an annulment, William was just a little squeamish about it since this pointed up the fact that she had indeed been sleeping with a guy that wasn't him. But the other problem was Julia intended to lie about it.
Now Julia comes and tells William, Mr. Law and Order, that she could not tell a lie under oath - it seems like William should be mightily relieved! Even if it screws up their personal plan, this should have been a major breach in his moral world view. He should have been happy that Julia remained an honorable woman in his eyes, and he could have read this as God's way of telling them to take a different tack besides subverting marital vows and lying before the court.
Yet William seems not at all fazed by those issues. He seems more bothered by the fact Julia failed to go through with the lie than the fact she was going to lie in the first place.
But then suddenly he is all shocked and appalled by the concept of divorce? Suddenly his relationship with the Catholic church means more than the relationship he has had to upholding the law and moral order all these years?
Something always seemed jarring and off kilter about that scene, and I think this might be what the problem with it is.
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Post by lea on Aug 28, 2015 14:13:40 GMT
Another episode! 1. This episode is just ok for me. However, it was fun to see Winston Churchill. 2. Most of the flashbacks in this episode are the red-ish tint and it's always someone recalling a memory! 3. Before I saw Snacky's post I had never really thought about how William would have likely or should have likely been concerned about her lying. Perhaps he had already weighed what he preferred (lying vs divorce) off screen. 4. I do appreciate that the annulment/divorce drama allowed for them to fight  5. The Inspector is such a fanboy at heart.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 29, 2015 5:52:22 GMT
4. I do appreciate that the annulment/divorce drama allowed for them to fight I agree, and I think the terms of that fight were really interesting. However, I think some opportunity was lost to use the fight to give more insight into William's religious attitudes/character. That's probably just because the writers don't know much about Catholicism, though, lol. |
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Post by lea on Aug 29, 2015 15:42:16 GMT
4. I do appreciate that the annulment/divorce drama allowed for them to fight I agree, and I think the terms of that fight were really interesting. However, I think some opportunity was lost to use the fight to give more insight into William's religious attitudes/character. That's probably just because the writers don't know much about Catholicism, though, lol. More insight of his relationship with his religion throughout the entire series would have been nice. |
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Post by lizmc on Aug 29, 2015 16:31:44 GMT
4. I do appreciate that the annulment/divorce drama allowed for them to fight I agree, and I think the terms of that fight were really interesting. However, I think some opportunity was lost to use the fight to give more insight into William's religious attitudes/character. That's probably just because the writers don't know much about Catholicism, though, lol. Out of curiosity, why do you think the writers don't know much about Catholicism? It isn't like it is a secret society and is one of the more prevalent religions in Canada...... |
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Post by snacky on Aug 30, 2015 4:30:03 GMT
I agree, and I think the terms of that fight were really interesting. However, I think some opportunity was lost to use the fight to give more insight into William's religious attitudes/character. That's probably just because the writers don't know much about Catholicism, though, lol. Out of curiosity, why do you think the writers don't know much about Catholicism? It isn't like it is a secret society and is one of the more prevalent religions in Canada...... The treatment of William's religion seems very shallow: perhaps my standards are a little high because there are (Protestant) ministers in my family. But I don't get the sense William's religion is well-researched or well-used in the series. On the other hand, I'm glad that religion hasn't laid a heavy sappy hand on the series - which is very tempting to do with historical series. One might look at how religious channels pick up reruns of Little House on the Prairie or Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman - the religious themes (and assumptions they lay on the audience) are strong in both of those. In the US it's tempting to outright pander to that audience. Actual 19th century people might be going to church for purely "social" reasons just like people today: there is no need to assume people were super-religious in their every day lives. Still, if William's character made so many sacrifices bases on his essential Catholicism and considered the priesthood, I'd think that Catholic concepts would come into play more often in his cases. |
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I'd like to give my thoughts on this episode anyways.
She's criticized some of the more rigid beliefs he's held, but never once Catholicism specifically. The criticisms she's had were toward rigid beliefs in Christianity, in general, not just Catholicism. Homosexuality, abortion, contraception, these were all prohibited by Protestant faiths, as well. That's why they were all illegal, too. If only Catholicism had prohibited these things, they wouldn't have been illegal in a predominantly Protestant country. The only frustration Julia's had about his Catholic faith specifically has been its policy regarding divorce. But there were some Protestant sects that did not allow for divorce, too. I grew up in one of them, which didn't allow it until pretty recently. She's far more accepting of his Catholic faith than anyone other non-Catholic characters, aside from George. I also get frustrated by some of the comments on the MM FB board.
