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Post by snacky on Aug 5, 2014 8:09:29 GMT
Just to illustrate that Julia was turning on the tease big time...  Ps. Thank you randomkiwibirds for keeping up the MM screencap trove! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Aug 6, 2014 2:01:58 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. x |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 6, 2014 4:05:00 GMT
*raises hand* (like Tracy Flick in Election) You could do a vid on all the times Julia has teased William mercilessly, and give it a title something like "all the teases William is going to want revenge for after William and Julia are married.." I got this idea from the scene TokyoFallenBelle pointed out in Let Loose the Dogs. When William goes to meet Julia after she drops him a note...to issue an apology (after he hasn't been all that rude)...there she is parading her cleavage right under his nose. She's sweating, her hair is flying in the wind, William is definitely skeptical about whether all this exercise and ankle-showing is about is fending off tuberculosis, but he doesn't pass up the chance to study the goods on offer. Julia takes a looooooooong time to button up. And she chooses that moment to use the word "penis" out in the open and discuss making love "vigorously". I kind of felt sorry for William. Even if he had started courting her on the spot, there's not a lot more he would have imagined they could have gotten up to immediately (unless he imagined she was a prostitute: and frankly she was kind of giving off that vibe in this particular scene). Anyway that was a huge teaaaaaaaaaaaaase, which William couldn't do anything about. I wonder how many others there would be if we rewatch earlier seasons looking for them. If you want to do a vid on this, perhaps we should open a separate thread to help you out. It should be earlier seasons - cruel teasing in Season 7 is just too obvious, and too close to the finish line to matter, so I guess not that cruel. I just had the odd thought that this is an alternative spin to William's "dark places". Given how ultra-tidy and cafeful he is, being continually sexually frustrated by a "disorderly woman" (one who literally longed to be liberated from her corset) might have led to more than one urge to take the nun's ruler to her. Which would then kick in several form's of insta-repression: ungentlemanly behavior, disrespect toward Mom (especially when he had suspected his father of being violent), and Catholic guilt whenever he sees Julia as the Virgin/angel. Have some more Freudian thoughts along those lines, but they lead off this rated PG forum.  Julia does tease him mercilessly-but I contend, as evil as it is, there are some reasons for this. IMO, the nice guys sometimes need some prodding-they don't always put themselves out there as much as you would like, and they need encouragement-this is one way of doing it. I think William would fall into this category. Also, it's fun. Yes, Julia is being slightly evil in teasing him, but I think she's willing to follow through-plus, we get back to encouragement. It's not like women were in the greatest of positions, and this was one of the few tools they had available to them to spur their man into action. The whole scene was sorta like "Hey, like what you see-this could be yours...but only if you call now..."  No William couldn't have her on the spot, but he could later if he acted. I think a tease video would be great! I think William's dark places aren't so dark so much as they're forbidden by religious doctrine. He lusts after women who aren't his wife, wants to do (and maybe has done things with them) that are sanctioned only in marriage, and I think this is why marriage becomes so important to him. Yes, it's his ticket to the middle class, and a harbinger that he was a man (and not a man-child), but it's a less guilty way to indulge his "dark" places, that aren't all that dark. He's just a flesh and bone man with normal, healthy desires. Also, not to blame this all on religion either-this is also the Victorian era, which is famed for its repression. Or was it? I found this, and thought this was interesting. www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-things-victorian-women-didnt-do-much |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 6, 2014 4:07:01 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. xI had to go look up p.53 and p.77. Nice intro moves. I see you've done your research! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Aug 6, 2014 4:11:34 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. xI had to go look up p.53 and p.77. Nice intro moves. I see you've done your research! Yeah I know right!...Wait, what? |
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Post by snacky on Aug 6, 2014 5:18:56 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. xlol I read it - you have a thing for loopy William!  I don't mind seeing Julia wear the pants, but I'd like to see William get his pants back by the end, though.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 6, 2014 5:42:58 GMT
Julia does tease him mercilessly-but I contend, as evil as it is, there are some reasons for this. IMO, the nice guys sometimes need some prodding-they don't always put themselves out there as much as you would like, and they need encouragement-this is one way of doing it. I think William would fall into this category. Also, it's fun. Yes, Julia is being slightly evil in teasing him, but I think she's willing to follow through-plus, we get back to encouragement. It's not like women were in the greatest of positions, and this was one of the few tools they had available to them to spur their man into action. The whole scene was sorta like "Hey, like what you see-this could be yours...but only if you call now..." No William couldn't have her on the spot, but he could later if he acted. I think William's dark places aren't so dark so much as they're forbidden by religious doctrine. He lusts after women who aren't his wife, wants to do (and maybe has done things with them) that are sanctioned only in marriage, and I think this is why marriage becomes so important to him. Yes, it's his ticket to the middle class, and a harbinger that he was a man (and not a man-child), but it's a less guilty way to indulge his "dark" places, that aren't all that dark. Also, not to blame this all on religion either-this is also the Victorian era, which is famed for its repression. Or was it? www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-things-victorian-women-didnt-do-muchFirst glad you saw the main point was that a "Julia Teases" or a more provocatively named "Reasons William might be saving up for some Revenge Sex" video might be an idea for CC - I kind of buried that in an avalanche of other thoughts hahaha. I agree William needed prodding, and during the first couple of seasons Yannick was playing him almost as if he were on the asperger's spectrum and not merely a highly compartmentalized guy with communications and personal time management issues. Sometimes it seemed as if Julia was catering to William's "special needs" and all the teasing was just a way of testing whether William would make any moves on his own. I thought the Exercise scene constituted throwing herself at him in Victorian terms, though. How could he miss that cue? You have a very tame interpretation of "dark places". IMHO, they are a tad darker. We can never know for sure what they really are - just as we can never know what the "inappropriate looking" really means. But I do think William encounters exotic practices from time to time (like the whips in Green Muse where he could barely bring himself to say "...sex...play...", and he actually processes these ideas. If he's turned on, then they become "dark places". If William did have the urge to punish or take revenge (even "revenge sex", lol) on Julia for teasing, I think this would constitute a "dark place" for him, and quickly be repressed whether it be for Victorian reasons, Catholic reasons, Mommy reasons, personal character reasons or whatever. It's a feeling he'd have, but not want to have. That's what I was trying to get at. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 6, 2014 5:45:04 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. xI had to go look up p.53 and p.77. Nice intro moves. I see you've done your research! Oh wait there are more chapters? And perviness? Need to read on, then. Sorry, not used to fanfic.net. UPDATE: lol, the return of THE SECRET BOOK!!! I think there should be a cult of that book as well as the homburg. We all know it exists.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 6, 2014 6:22:44 GMT
Julia does tease him mercilessly-but I contend, as evil as it is, there are some reasons for this. IMO, the nice guys sometimes need some prodding-they don't always put themselves out there as much as you would like, and they need encouragement-this is one way of doing it. I think William would fall into this category. Also, it's fun. Yes, Julia is being slightly evil in teasing him, but I think she's willing to follow through-plus, we get back to encouragement. It's not like women were in the greatest of positions, and this was one of the few tools they had available to them to spur their man into action. The whole scene was sorta like "Hey, like what you see-this could be yours...but only if you call now..." No William couldn't have her on the spot, but he could later if he acted. I think William's dark places aren't so dark so much as they're forbidden by religious doctrine. He lusts after women who aren't his wife, wants to do (and maybe has done things with them) that are sanctioned only in marriage, and I think this is why marriage becomes so important to him. Yes, it's his ticket to the middle class, and a harbinger that he was a man (and not a man-child), but it's a less guilty way to indulge his "dark" places, that aren't all that dark. Also, not to blame this all on religion either-this is also the Victorian era, which is famed for its repression. Or was it? www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-things-victorian-women-didnt-do-muchYou have a very tame interpretation of "dark places". IMHO, they are a tad darker. We can never know for sure what they really are - just as we can never know what the "inappropriate looking" really means. But I do think William encounters exotic practices from time to time (like the whips in Green Muse where he could barely bring himself to say "...sex...play...", and he actually processes these ideas. If he's turned on, then they become "dark places". If William did have the urge to punish or take revenge (even "revenge sex", lol) on Julia for teasing, I think this would constitute a "dark place" for him, and quickly be repressed whether it be for Victorian reasons, Catholic reasons, Mommy reasons, personal character reasons or whatever. It's a feeling he'd have, but not want to have. That's what I was trying to get at. They could be darker, but I just don't know that they have to be. For a rigid, upright, buttoned up man like William, inappropriate looking, fantasizing are dark places. The heavier stuff like whips and S&M would be off the charts. That's some mind-blowing stuff right there that he can't even articulate. Prior to GM, he may have never entertained such things. After GM, now that he's been exposed to such things so domination, bondage, etc. his mind may very well go there, as it did with Dom!Julia. Something clearly made an impression on him. And he probably feels massive,Catholic guilt for thinking those things-even if they're no big thing to us. I originally thought you meant William was fantasizing about hurting Julia, but I caught on to what you were getting at. Yeah, he probably does fantasize about going alpha!male on her, but can never bring himself to do it. Even though Julia would probably love it. Because that stuff is hot. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 6, 2014 6:26:59 GMT
I had to go look up p.53 and p.77. Nice intro moves. I see you've done your research! Oh wait there are more chapters? And perviness? Need to read on, then. Sorry, not used to fanfic.net. UPDATE: lol, the return of THE SECRET BOOK!!! I think there should be a cult of that book as well as the homburg. We all know it exists. I suppose he could have a copy of the Kama Sutra, but I seem to think some instructional, scientific tome not unlike the 19th century version of the Joy of Sex is more likely. But, since I can't find that book, Kama Sutra is as good as any. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 6, 2014 6:56:26 GMT
They could be darker, but I just don't know that they have to be. For a rigid, upright, buttoned up man like William, inappropriate looking, fantasizing are dark places. The heavier stuff like whips and S&M would be off the charts. That's some mind-blowing stuff right there that he can't even articulate. Prior to GM, he may have never entertained such things. After GM, now that he's been exposed to such things so domination, bondage, etc. his mind may very well go there, as it did with Dom!Julia. Something clearly made an impression on him. And he probably feels massive,Catholic guilt for thinking those things-even if they're no big thing to us. I originally thought you meant William was fantasizing about hurting Julia, but I caught on to what you were getting at. Yeah, he probably does fantasize about going alpha!male on her, but can never bring himself to do it. Even though Julia would probably love it. Because that stuff is hot. Yes I'd definitely think he'd repress before his mind would get to the second step of *how* he'd punish Julia. His mind represses like a mouse trap! But I do think his favorite teacher in the fourth grade was probably a nun who occasionally took out the ruler. And while I can't see William fetishing Julia's truncheon in Convalescence, I wonder what would happen if you replaced it with the nun's ruler, lol. Now that would be a dark place! I'm not so sure I agree with what would blow William's mind. My first instinct is to agree with you: of course William is rigid and proper and has a very narrow worldview...he couldn't possibly entertain those things. But then...look at how widely read he is, and how surprisingly open-minded he is. He will bring up unusual things if he thinks the audience is also open-minded - that's part of why he loves Julia. The Catholic guilt is crushing him on one side, but there are other forces counter-balancing that. Remember how William huffed that "breast" was a perfectly good word in Buffalo Shuffle? I think over time his repression line is shifting...? I wonder what would happen if he found evidence of "exotic sex play" today? I bet he would be all pompous about his freedom/modernity in talking about it! I think you're right about Julia |
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Post by snacky on Aug 6, 2014 7:01:42 GMT
I suppose he could have a copy of the Kama Sutra, but I seem to think some instructional, scientific tome not unlike the 19th century version of the Joy of Sex is more likely. But, since I can't find that book, Kama Sutra is as good as any. I think it's The Room: The Annotated Screenplay
Did you read that big note on that subscription book on English "sexual practices"? William would probably have something like that. And there's always the annotations of Burton, which were considered the vicious porn of the time... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 6, 2014 13:25:48 GMT
I suppose he could have a copy of the Kama Sutra, but I seem to think some instructional, scientific tome not unlike the 19th century version of the Joy of Sex is more likely. But, since I can't find that book, Kama Sutra is as good as any. I think it's The Room: The Annotated Screenplay
Did you read that big note on that subscription book on English "sexual practices"? William would probably have something like that. And there's always the annotations of Burton, which were considered the vicious porn of the time... Kind of, sort of...could you redirect me? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Aug 7, 2014 0:05:09 GMT
My latest concoction. The first two chaps are silly but somehow the third became pervy...anyway you can check it out if you want. xlol I read it - you have a thing for loopy William! I don't mind seeing Julia wear the pants, but I'd like to see William get his pants back by the end, though. Yeah recently that does seem to be the case, doesn't it? I guess I've written him so 'bum crushingly correct' for so long that I needed to try something a little different. I'm not sure he ever really had them. Maybe he thought he did because she let him believe he did, but I doubt he actually did. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 7, 2014 2:51:53 GMT
lol I read it - you have a thing for loopy William! I don't mind seeing Julia wear the pants, but I'd like to see William get his pants back by the end, though. Yeah recently that does seem to be the case, doesn't it? I guess I've written him so 'bum crushingly correct' for so long that I needed to try something a little different. I'm not sure he ever really had them. Maybe he thought he did because she let him believe he did, but I doubt he actually did. I'd like to see him get the illusion of pants back eventually! |
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No William couldn't have her on the spot, but he could later if he acted. 
