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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 17, 2014 22:01:45 GMT
The fic I read intimated that was a big part of why Julia left for Vienna...to get away from all the scandal. I believe Darcy did a similar thing when he went on holiday. Wow, insightful fic! I know, just like the full on making out in public thing, I never really understood why she left for so long (like 3-6 months, right?) so soon after they had just gotten back together, even if it was to further her profession. But then again, we didn't get to see the aftermath of everything, so this reasoning wasn't in the forefront of our minds. And the fact that the Queen's Hotel thing didn't cause a scandal either...or again, at least not one we saw...didn't help us think along those lines. The show was always shielding us from this aspect for some reason. You'd think they'd WANT the extra drama. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 17, 2014 23:14:28 GMT
I know, just like the full on making out in public thing, I never really understood why she left for so long (like 3-6 months, right?) so soon after they had just gotten back together, even if it was to further her profession. But then again, we didn't get to see the aftermath of everything, so this reasoning wasn't in the forefront of our minds. And the fact that the Queen's Hotel thing didn't cause a scandal either...or again, at least not one we saw...didn't help us think along those lines. The show was always shielding us from this aspect for some reason. You'd think they'd WANT the extra drama. Going to Vienna made sense if Julia was going to study to be a psychologist (and remove herself from the hospital where Darcy worked). I think the show did it just to show that Julia had the best and most modern training in psychiatry - and that would take a few months at least. But avoiding the scandal of leaving Darcy is another plausible explanation. She did advise Minerva to go to Europe when things went squirrely at home. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 18, 2014 0:57:07 GMT
I know, just like the full on making out in public thing, I never really understood why she left for so long (like 3-6 months, right?) so soon after they had just gotten back together, even if it was to further her profession. But then again, we didn't get to see the aftermath of everything, so this reasoning wasn't in the forefront of our minds. And the fact that the Queen's Hotel thing didn't cause a scandal either...or again, at least not one we saw...didn't help us think along those lines. The show was always shielding us from this aspect for some reason. You'd think they'd WANT the extra drama. Going to Vienna made sense if Julia was going to study to be a psychologist (and remove herself from the hospital where Darcy worked). I think the show did it just to show that Julia had the best and most modern training in psychiatry - and that would take a few months at least. But avoiding the scandal of leaving Darcy is another plausible explanation. She did advise Minerva to go to Europe when things went squirrely at home. I believe Julia had a private practice in Etobicoke in the west end of the city, Victoria Hospital for Sick Children is downtown,. so she wouldn't be going to Vienna to get away from the hospital where Darcy worked. I do see her going to get the best training in psychiatry and it doesn't hurt that it took her away from Toronto when there could have been some scandal. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 3:09:11 GMT
I rewatched Future Imperfect with eclair tonight. We noted a pervy moment. After William talks to Pendrick, he takes a considerable glance at Sally Pendrick's "modern" nude portrait after he goes into the vestibule.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 3:47:44 GMT
Realistically this would have caused an epic scandal the next day. There might have even been pictures in the papers. Gossip in society columns. Julia would have had to defend her reputation with a sword. William's behavior might have been questioned as well. The fic I read intimated that was a big part of why Julia left for Vienna...to get away from all the scandal. I believe Darcy did a similar thing when he went on holiday. Is this the one that just posted? But I agree, I always thought going to Vienna was convenient-a chance to escape scandal as well as study with Freud. But would Freud have accepted a female student? He was a bit of a misogynist.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 3:50:57 GMT
I rewatched Future Imperfect with eclair tonight. We noted a pervy moment. After William talks to Pendrick, he takes a considerable glance at Sally Pendrick's "modern" nude portrait after he goes into the vestibule. I can't decide if it's pervy when he's looking at the scandalous pictures alone in his office in " In the Altogether" or not. Maybe he's just looking for clues, maybe he's not. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 4:05:44 GMT
I know, just like the full on making out in public thing, I never really understood why she left for so long (like 3-6 months, right?) so soon after they had just gotten back together, even if it was to further her profession. But then again, we didn't get to see the aftermath of everything, so this reasoning wasn't in the forefront of our minds. And the fact that the Queen's Hotel thing didn't cause a scandal either...or again, at least not one we saw...didn't help us think along those lines. The show was always shielding us from this aspect for some reason. You'd think they'd WANT the extra drama. I think the scene is a classic example of William thinking with his little head. She's aroused him by showing up in a scandalous dress (when everyone else is in demure, more subdued dress) , and then tells him his dream of a future with her is actually possible. He's not thinking for once in his life, and it's a sweet moment-he just goes in for the kill and gets what he wants. And unlike many of their kisses, he initiates this one-rather forcefully pulling her towards him (claiming what's his-no tentatively approaching her or asking for permission) and makes out with her in a room full of people. At a time when even a chaste kiss in public was shocking-he's all but undressing her on the dance floor and taking her there. Even if they'd both been single, it would have been absolutely scandalous! This is an example of alpha!William and Julia was turned on. This William was not afraid of hurting her. IMO, this is one of the hottest scenes of the series-they're all but having sex. If they'd been alone, I think William would have been taking even more liberties-he definitely got caught up in the heat of the moment. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 5:15:04 GMT
The fic I read intimated that was a big part of why Julia left for Vienna...to get away from all the scandal. I believe Darcy did a similar thing when he went on holiday. Is this the one that just posted? But I agree, I always thought going to Vienna was convenient-a chance to escape scandal as well as study with Freud. But would Freud have accepted a female student? He was a bit of a misogynist. Studying "in the milieu of Freud" perhaps...? Maybe Julia got her dreams analyzed along with Dora. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 5:17:26 GMT
I rewatched Future Imperfect with eclair tonight. We noted a pervy moment. After William talks to Pendrick, he takes a considerable glance at Sally Pendrick's "modern" nude portrait after he goes into the vestibule. I can't decide if it's pervy when he's looking at the scandalous pictures alone in his office in " In the Altogether" or not. Maybe he's just looking for clues, maybe he's not. IMHO Hypocrite!William can convince himself he is looking for clues while getting a hard-on under the table. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 5:23:45 GMT
I think the scene is a classic example of William thinking with his little head. She's aroused him by showing up in a scandalous dress (when everyone else is in demure, more subdued dress) , and then tells him his dream of a future with her is actually possible. He's not thinking for once in his life, and it's a sweet moment-he just goes in for the kill and gets what he wants. And unlike many of their kisses, he initiates this one-rather forcefully pulling her towards him (claiming what's his-no tentatively approaching her or asking for permission) and makes out with her in a room full of people. At a time when even a chaste kiss in public was shocking-he's all but undressing her on the dance floor and taking her there. Even if they'd both been single, it would have been absolutely scandalous! This is an example of alpha!William and Julia was turned on. This William was not afraid of hurting her. IMO, this is one of the hottest scenes of the series-they're all but having sex. If they'd been alone, I think William would have been taking even more liberties-he definitely got caught up in the heat of the moment. It's a good thing that William was not afraid of hurting her because he probably did guarantee she featured in the Society Column topics of hot gossip for months to come! And pressing against her like that - checking out the boobies or letting Julia know how he felt right at that moment? Hmm my virgin, and even my "no adultery" theory is looking shaky at the minute. But William did swear in a court of law. I agree with you, though - he definitely wasn't thinking about where he was, and he Wanted Julia with a capital W. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 5:35:23 GMT
I can't decide if it's pervy when he's looking at the scandalous pictures alone in his office in " In the Altogether" or not. Maybe he's just looking for clues, maybe he's not. IMHO Hypocrite!William can convince himself he is looking for clues while getting a hard-on under the table. I strongly suspect this to be the case. I'm going to have to rewatch it and look for that scene again. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 5:47:31 GMT
I think the scene is a classic example of William thinking with his little head. She's aroused him by showing up in a scandalous dress (when everyone else is in demure, more subdued dress) , and then tells him his dream of a future with her is actually possible. He's not thinking for once in his life, and it's a sweet moment-he just goes in for the kill and gets what he wants. And unlike many of their kisses, he initiates this one-rather forcefully pulling her towards him (claiming what's his-no tentatively approaching her or asking for permission) and makes out with her in a room full of people. At a time when even a chaste kiss in public was shocking-he's all but undressing her on the dance floor and taking her there. Even if they'd both been single, it would have been absolutely scandalous! This is an example of alpha!William and Julia was turned on. This William was not afraid of hurting her. IMO, this is one of the hottest scenes of the series-they're all but having sex. If they'd been alone, I think William would have been taking even more liberties-he definitely got caught up in the heat of the moment. It's a good thing that William was not afraid of hurting her because he probably did guarantee she featured in the Society Column topics of hot gossip for months to come! And pressing against her like that - checking out the boobies or letting Julia know how he felt right at that moment? Hmm my virgin, and even my "no adultery" theory is looking shaky at the minute. But William did swear in a court of law. I agree with you, though - he definitely wasn't thinking about where he was, and he Wanted Julia with a capital W. I think he was doing both-showing her how he was feeling as well as getting to feel her up. I don't think they committed adultery in the strictest sense, but definitely walked a very fine line in that regard. I can't believe that there aren't more fics for Murdoch Au Natural.  I can see why people subscribe to the virgin theory, and even agree with it to a point, but I can't ignore the little subtleties that hint that William has a past that belies his pomaded, nattily dressed persona. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 18, 2014 5:49:44 GMT
I know, just like the full on making out in public thing, I never really understood why she left for so long (like 3-6 months, right?) so soon after they had just gotten back together, even if it was to further her profession. But then again, we didn't get to see the aftermath of everything, so this reasoning wasn't in the forefront of our minds. And the fact that the Queen's Hotel thing didn't cause a scandal either...or again, at least not one we saw...didn't help us think along those lines. The show was always shielding us from this aspect for some reason. You'd think they'd WANT the extra drama. Good point-I wouldn't have wanted an entire episode, but a couple of brief mentions about their scandalous behavior would have been nice. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 5:55:10 GMT
IMHO Hypocrite!William can convince himself he is looking for clues while getting a hard-on under the table. I strongly suspect this to be the case. I'm going to have to rewatch it and look for that scene again. Next on my agenda after I recheck the Boobies!William scene, lol. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 18, 2014 6:10:25 GMT
I can see why people subscribe to the virgin theory, and even agree with it to a point, but I can't ignore the little subtleties that hint that William has a past that belies his pomaded, nattily dressed persona. I tried to ask eclair the Question tonight. His basic instinct was that a guy has to find an outlet somehow. I brought up syphillis, shaky birth control, the idea someone might try to trap William into marriage, etc. I also brought up that William's previous engagement could have made virginity incremental/accidental. This is all before we even get into his religious upbringing/beliefs. Anyway - given all that - who would he sleep with? eclair was less sure after that. We discussed the "fapping" alternative. I pointed out the religious/health campaign against it. There was a bestseller against the "sin of onanism" at the time. We both agreed it was possible that book was widely ignored. Here's the thing about the "not a virgin" theory. It would take William feeling secure about the circumstances AND it would take a woman agreeing to do it (risking pregnancy, STDs, and taking social risks herself). Again that's leaving religious beliefs out of the equations! I think that's tough to get together. Maureen Jennings came up with the idea that a widow would probably be willing. The book William was just desperate to get laid. I think the calculus that the show William would do would be more careful than that. |
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