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Post by snacky on Nov 12, 2014 6:01:16 GMT
As usual, CC has the goods with the pervitude and innuendo gifs. Murdoch Takes Manhattan:   And a reprisal of William's famous perv glance, with added Plea for the Lord's Help.   Credit: holy-matrimony-batman.tumblr.com/post/102386670337/this-is-how-the-murdochs-do-helenes-just-likeAnd we know what you're thinking William...   Credit: crabtreee.tumblr.com/post/101887662781/a-little-bit-of-practice-before-the-honeymoon And just in case the viewers weren't clear on the innuendo there...  Thank you: crabtreee.tumblr.com/post/102041782466/holy-matrimony-batman-crabtreee-it-got I have a feeling it's Julia who will be setting the pace there, dude.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:40:47 GMT
Very entertaining CC!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:41:29 GMT
And thanks to Snacky for reposting.
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Post by snacky on Nov 12, 2014 22:51:30 GMT
And thanks to Snacky for reposting. How can I resist!  |
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Post by lea on Jun 11, 2015 18:28:18 GMT
Hmm, I just had a sad thought about In the Altogether. When William called slightly saucy pictures "pornographic" and tried to explain they took male thoughts to "dark places", Julia might have connected the following dots: 1. In Catholicism sex is for procreation. All other sexual urges, as stated by William, should be suppressed in the "dark" part of the mind. 2. There would be no procreation if William married Julia. 3. Therefore, any sex would be of the "dark" kind in William's book, and perhaps even impossible for him, leading to a passionless marriage.Ironically that's exactly what she got by making a conventional marriage to Darcy. Bloodlust made it pretty clear what she wanted from William. This is all for argument's sake, though. I just can't believe the "40 Year Old Virgin" thing. Even with Victorian Morals and William's speeches about the legalities of contraception, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence for nookie and his behavior in both The Murdoch Identity and The Green Muse suggest that if he's in an "altered state" he quickly forgets about The Rules and channels starts channeling his inner Don Juan. Looking back at season 8, this is kind of sad now. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 13, 2015 3:54:18 GMT
Hmm, I just had a sad thought about In the Altogether. When William called slightly saucy pictures "pornographic" and tried to explain they took male thoughts to "dark places", Julia might have connected the following dots: 1. In Catholicism sex is for procreation. All other sexual urges, as stated by William, should be suppressed in the "dark" part of the mind. 2. There would be no procreation if William married Julia. 3. Therefore, any sex would be of the "dark" kind in William's book, and perhaps even impossible for him, leading to a passionless marriage.Ironically that's exactly what she got by making a conventional marriage to Darcy. Bloodlust made it pretty clear what she wanted from William. This is all for argument's sake, though. I just can't believe the "40 Year Old Virgin" thing. Even with Victorian Morals and William's speeches about the legalities of contraception, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence for nookie and his behavior in both The Murdoch Identity and The Green Muse suggest that if he's in an "altered state" he quickly forgets about The Rules and channels starts channeling his inner Don Juan. Looking back at season 8, this is kind of sad now. Looking back at Season 8, the writers and/or the actor decided to go in a bit of a new direction with the character. That speculation is all based on character information given previously which made William put William beyond Victorian inhibition to emotionally dysfunctional territory. It was up to us to figure out where on the spectrum that fell between introversion, asperger's syndrome, and religious beliefs. However, for Season 8 we are supposed to assume it was Victorian inhibition so we can assume he has a different personality in private life (or at least when he's "getting some" - ugh). And occasionally we are supposed to appreciate William's quirkiness. I did think Julia's "stubborn and virtuous" description sounded the right note now that William is married, but I kind of wish everyone would do a 12-step program accounting of William's personality through the entire series and just make sure the character is remaining on a consistent thread. Ps. If you dig through this forum, you will not believe the THEORIES you will find! |
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Post by Hodge on Jun 13, 2015 4:36:08 GMT
Looking back at season 8, this is kind of sad now. Looking back at Season 8, the writers and/or the actor decided to go in a bit of a new direction with the character. That speculation is all based on character information given previously which made William put William beyond Victorian inhibition to emotionally dysfunctional territory. It was up to us to figure out where on the spectrum that fell between introversion, asperger's syndrome, and religious beliefs. However, for Season 8 we are supposed to assume it was Victorian inhibition so we can assume he has a different personality in private life (or at least when he's "getting some" - ugh). And occasionally we are supposed to appreciate William's quirkiness. I did think Julia's "stubborn and virtuous" description sounded the right note now that William is married, but I kind of wish everyone would do a 12-step program accounting of William's personality through the entire series and just make sure the character is remaining on a consistent thread. Ps. If you dig through this forum, you will not believe the THEORIES you will find! I can't say I see any inconsistencies in William's character. Yes, he is different from S1 but every season you could see the character growing and changing from that original social awkwardness. It was always only social awkwardness, he had complete confidence in himself where the job was concerned. Over the seasons, with Julia's help, he's slowly become less introverted and dogmatic, whilst he's still no extrovert he does seem more comfortable in his own skin. You only have to take into account his behaviour in TGM to realize that he's a different person in different situations, I'm not totally sure this was just the alcohol. By the end of S5 he wasn't beyond kissing a married woman in 'public'. SH4 knew of his feelings for Julia however it doesn't mean the rest of the constabulary did, but that didn't hold him back. Quite outrageous behaviour for the time. He made even greater steps forward from then up until the marriage. I did find a couple of scenes since that didn't quite work for me but on the whole I don't see a problem. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 13, 2015 16:06:07 GMT
. He made even greater steps forward from then up until the marriage. I did find a couple of scenes since that didn't quite work for me but on the whole I don't see a problem. We're probably not that far off - the majority of scenes do work for me. It's just the ones that don't stick in my mind. While I don't see William as suffering from any major psychiatric disorders (the Asperger's question only ever came up during Season 1...though Julia seemed to be trying to diagnose a clinical problem around Dead End Street), I do think his issues ran a little deeper than just being a shy guy or dealing with the social restrictions of his era. I thought that was part of the fun of a show that took place during the origins of the field of psychiatry. That's part of why I object to his character suddenly being normalized in the domestic sphere. What really annoys me, though, is the strongly implied "getting some" cure: the other side of that argument makes women out to be sexual Florence Nightengales just waiting in the wings to save men from the dark broody dysfunctionality.  |
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Post by Hodge on Jun 13, 2015 17:37:03 GMT
. He made even greater steps forward from then up until the marriage. I did find a couple of scenes since that didn't quite work for me but on the whole I don't see a problem. We're probably not that far off - the majority of scenes do work for me. It's just the ones that don't stick in my mind. While I don't see William as suffering from any major psychiatric disorders (the Asperger's question only ever came up during Season 1...though Julia seemed to be trying to diagnose a clinical problem around Dead End Street), I do think his issues ran a little deeper than just being a shy guy or dealing with the social restrictions of his era. I thought that was part of the fun of a show that took place during the origins of the field of psychiatry. That's part of why I object to his character suddenly being normalized in the domestic sphere. What really annoys me, though, is the strongly implied "getting some" cure: the other side of that argument makes women out to be sexual Florence Nightengales just waiting in the wings to save men from the dark broody dysfunctionality. Once again snacky I don't see your theory. I never thought it was a "getting some" cure. More of a "he's happy coz he's finally married to the woman he loves" cure. I guess some of that could include getting some but I don't think there was any doubt he could have had some if he wanted it before marriage. I doubt Julia was bothered about waiting. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jun 14, 2015 2:26:02 GMT
We're probably not that far off - the majority of scenes do work for me. It's just the ones that don't stick in my mind. While I don't see William as suffering from any major psychiatric disorders (the Asperger's question only ever came up during Season 1...though Julia seemed to be trying to diagnose a clinical problem around Dead End Street), I do think his issues ran a little deeper than just being a shy guy or dealing with the social restrictions of his era. I thought that was part of the fun of a show that took place during the origins of the field of psychiatry. That's part of why I object to his character suddenly being normalized in the domestic sphere. What really annoys me, though, is the strongly implied "getting some" cure: the other side of that argument makes women out to be sexual Florence Nightengales just waiting in the wings to save men from the dark broody dysfunctionality. Once again snacky I don't see your theory. I never thought it was a "getting some" cure. More of a "he's happy coz he's finally married to the woman he loves" cure. I guess some of that could include getting some but I don't think there was any doubt he could have had some if he wanted it before marriage. I doubt Julia was bothered about waiting. I may have said there were times when he was more relaxed at times seemingly out of character (whoopie cushions, cracking jokes about George) that hinted how he was now "getting some" (i.e. more relaxed, happier, more confident) but that could also mean that his life is now more in balance-he has a home to go return to each night. He's no longer more or less living in his office, he has an emotional outlet that yes, includes physical romance, but also emotional stability. Like Hodge, I don't think of Julia as a sexual savior, William's sexual frustration (and yes, I believe he was sexually and emotionally frustrated) was self-inflicted. Granted, he was saving himself for the woman he loved (which happened to be Julia), but it wasn't Julia's fault and would never state as such. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 14, 2015 6:05:31 GMT
Like Hodge, I don't think of Julia as a sexual savior, William's sexual frustration (and yes, I believe he was sexually and emotionally frustrated) was self-inflicted. Granted, he was saving himself for the woman he loved (which happened to be Julia), but it wasn't Julia's fault and would never state as such. I agree it was self-inflicted, and it might make some interesting fic for him to explore that. (Perhaps it's already been written - I'm really behind in fic-reading). I still find the change in personality awkward - but it might be because there were so few in-marriage moments this season to really get a handle on that character transition. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 14, 2015 6:14:09 GMT
We're probably not that far off - the majority of scenes do work for me. It's just the ones that don't stick in my mind. While I don't see William as suffering from any major psychiatric disorders (the Asperger's question only ever came up during Season 1...though Julia seemed to be trying to diagnose a clinical problem around Dead End Street), I do think his issues ran a little deeper than just being a shy guy or dealing with the social restrictions of his era. I thought that was part of the fun of a show that took place during the origins of the field of psychiatry. That's part of why I object to his character suddenly being normalized in the domestic sphere. What really annoys me, though, is the strongly implied "getting some" cure: the other side of that argument makes women out to be sexual Florence Nightengales just waiting in the wings to save men from the dark broody dysfunctionality. Once again snacky I don't see your theory. I never thought it was a "getting some" cure. More of a "he's happy coz he's finally married to the woman he loves" cure. I guess some of that could include getting some but I don't think there was any doubt he could have had some if he wanted it before marriage. I doubt Julia was bothered about waiting. There are a couple scenes that rubbed me the wrong way that didn't seem to bother other people as much - and that's where the rest of my thoughts on the matter spawn from. Up until Season 7 I regarded the times William was happy as incredibly rare, always awkward, almost sacred moments. I even posted a thread dedicated to counting them. George counted them for the wedding speech! Then William's happiness became a matter of being in the domestic sphere. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to my point of view about this (which heaps an added criticism on MM) - just trying to explain mine. Some scenes like this struck me as out of character. I then developed my theory on why the writers may have done that. But you don't need the "theory" unless you see something as out of character in the first place. |
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Post by Hodge on Jun 14, 2015 7:43:01 GMT
Once again snacky I don't see your theory. I never thought it was a "getting some" cure. More of a "he's happy coz he's finally married to the woman he loves" cure. I guess some of that could include getting some but I don't think there was any doubt he could have had some if he wanted it before marriage. I doubt Julia was bothered about waiting. There are a couple scenes that rubbed me the wrong way that didn't seem to bother other people as much - and that's where the rest of my thoughts on the matter spawn from. Up until Season 7 I regarded the times William was happy as incredibly rare, always awkward, almost sacred moments. I even posted a thread dedicated to counting them. George counted them for the wedding speech! Then William's happiness became a matter of being in the domestic sphere. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to my point of view about this (which heaps an added criticism on MM) - just trying to explain mine. Some scenes like this struck me as out of character. I then developed my theory on why the writers may have done that. But you don't need the "theory" unless you see something as out of character in the first place. Regardless of whether we see things out of character or not, what is your theory? What are the scenes that are out of character? I saw some that didn't quite ring true or rubbed me the wrong way but I'm putting them down to giddiness at finally being happy. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 15, 2015 6:19:20 GMT
There are a couple scenes that rubbed me the wrong way that didn't seem to bother other people as much - and that's where the rest of my thoughts on the matter spawn from. Up until Season 7 I regarded the times William was happy as incredibly rare, always awkward, almost sacred moments. I even posted a thread dedicated to counting them. George counted them for the wedding speech! Then William's happiness became a matter of being in the domestic sphere. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to my point of view about this (which heaps an added criticism on MM) - just trying to explain mine. Some scenes like this struck me as out of character. I then developed my theory on why the writers may have done that. But you don't need the "theory" unless you see something as out of character in the first place. Regardless of whether we see things out of character or not, what is your theory? What are the scenes that are out of character? I saw some that didn't quite ring true or rubbed me the wrong way but I'm putting them down to giddiness at finally being happy. I don't think I've made a secret of the fact the scene I found most out of character was William breaking out into laughter after the whoopee cushion joke. To be honest I always found him cracking up after Julia gave him some tie play in On the Waterfront a bit OOC, too. The whole thing about William planning to bring Julia back to Mrs. Kitchen's (Naive!William? Dense!William?) also seemed like fan service. That can't be blamed totally on the fan service of Glory Days because William was seemingly avoiding buying a house before that. I can't really go back in my mind for all the examples now, but between the instances of William getting overly happy with Julia and William being painted as overly naive, I got the distinct impression of immature male writers thinking they were pleasing female fans by demonstrating how the marriage fixed what was broken about Wiliam. |
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Post by Hodge on Jun 15, 2015 17:37:57 GMT
Regardless of whether we see things out of character or not, what is your theory? What are the scenes that are out of character? I saw some that didn't quite ring true or rubbed me the wrong way but I'm putting them down to giddiness at finally being happy. I don't think I've made a secret of the fact the scene I found most out of character was William breaking out into laughter after the whoopee cushion joke. To be honest I always found him cracking up after Julia gave him some tie play in On the Waterfront a bit OOC, too. The whole thing about William planning to bring Julia back to Mrs. Kitchen's (Naive!William? Dense!William?) also seemed like fan service. That can't be blamed totally on the fan service of Glory Days because William was seemingly avoiding buying a house before that. I can't really go back in my mind for all the examples now, but between the instances of William getting overly happy with Julia and William being painted as overly naive, I got the distinct impression of immature male writers thinking they were pleasing female fans by demonstrating how the marriage fixed what was broken about Wiliam. I don't think there's any secret that the whoopee cushion incident was more likely Yannick's surprise at how well it worked. They left it in. What I found more surprising was that William made a whoopee cushion in the first place, well not the fact he made it that was completely in character, but the fact that he thought Julia would find it funny. It was the law of the jungle comment that was supposed to be funny. I guess it kinda was, especially as it was William handing it out. I found him wanting to take Julia back to Mrs. Kitchen's strange, even William isn't that naive. Perhaps he was avoiding buying a house because he wanted to surprise Julia by building one. Who knows maybe he has been whilst they've been living at the hotel. I doubt it though! The problem with the immature male writers theory is that most of the episodes weren't written by immature male writers. Glory Days was written by Peter Mitchell and Jordan Christianson. I'm not sure I'd call PM immature but I would go so far as to say he doesn't know what female viewers want. If you're reading this evilpete, it's not what you think it is! The two "immature" or at least young, male writers are Jordan Chritianson and Simon McNabb. Here are the eps, other than GD, they wrote/co-wrote in S8: Murdoch Takes Manhatten - Simon McNabb The Keystone Constables - Jordan Christianson Crabtreemania - Simon McNabb & Jordan Christianson With the exception of the whoopee cushion I didn't see anything untoward with these eps. Admittedly they were three of the more lighthearted ones. I certainly didn't notice anything that looked like female fan service. I'd also go so far as to say that what was broken about William would have been fixed with a better home life and less dogmatic place of education. |
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