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Post by lizmc on Jun 15, 2015 20:19:08 GMT
The problem with the immature male writers theory is that most of the episodes weren't written by immature male writers. Glory Days was written by Peter Mitchell and Jordan Christianson. I'm not sure I'd call PM immature but I would go so far as to say he doesn't know what female viewers want. If you're reading this evilpete, it's not what you think it is! The two "immature" or at least young, male writers are Jordan Chritianson and Simon McNabb. Here are the eps, other than GD, they wrote/co-wrote in S8: Murdoch Takes Manhatten - Simon McNabb The Keystone Constables - Jordan Christianson Crabtreemania - Simon McNabb & Jordan Christianson With the exception of the whoopee cushion I didn't see anything untoward with these eps. Admittedly they were three of the more lighthearted ones. I certainly didn't notice anything that looked like female fan service. I'd also go so far as to say that what was broken about William would have been fixed with a better home life and less dogmatic place of education. I agree with this.......and if you look at the bios for those 2 writers, they have been in the industry in one way or another for 10-15 years, so I wouldn't consider them young and immature either....... |
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Post by snacky on Jun 15, 2015 21:21:44 GMT
I'm on my kindle right now, so I can't carry forward long quotes. In my view men can harbor immature views on sexual frustration at any age. And since women are still mired in Florence Nightengale stereotypes, writers might even gamble that a little sexual healing is exactly what women want.
I can't paste a link from here, but if anyone wants to know why I'm dwelling on this, go to Rawstory and check out today's story about how Men's Rights Activists are vindicatring a murderer in Iowa because he's a sexually frustrated beta male. He's not the only murderer of women being explained that way.
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Post by Hodge on Jun 15, 2015 22:53:35 GMT
I'm on my kindle right now, so I can't carry forward long quotes. In my view men can harbor immature views on sexual frustration at any age. And since women are still mired in Florence Nightengale stereotypes, writers might even gamble that a little sexual healing is exactly what women want. I can't paste a link from here, but if anyone wants to know why I'm dwelling on this, go to Rawstory and check out today's story about how Men's Rights Activists are vindicatring a murderer in Iowa because he's a sexually frustrated beta male. He's not the only murderer of women being explained that way. I wouldn't like to assume that either of these writers are harbour immature views on anything. I haven't had a problem with any of the eps they've written. They're not always my favourites but it's the subject matter not the way it's written that I'm not fond of. As far as S8 is concerned I like neither vaudeville nor wrestling so there wasn't much chance I'd love either of the eps. Not sure what men's rights activists have to do with the writing of a tv show. |
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Post by lizmc on Jun 16, 2015 0:49:40 GMT
I'm on my kindle right now, so I can't carry forward long quotes. In my view men can harbor immature views on sexual frustration at any age. And since women are still mired in Florence Nightengale stereotypes, writers might even gamble that a little sexual healing is exactly what women want. I can't paste a link from here, but if anyone wants to know why I'm dwelling on this, go to Rawstory and check out today's story about how Men's Rights Activists are vindicatring a murderer in Iowa because he's a sexually frustrated beta male. He's not the only murderer of women being explained that way. But, Snacky, Men's Rights Activist groups tend to be extreme right wing misogynists and there is no indication that applies to any of the Murdoch writers. I think you are trying to apply a modern, and limited extremist movement to something that isn't there..... |
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Post by evilpete on Jun 16, 2015 3:41:25 GMT
Guess it would all depend what female viewers you are talking to
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Post by Hodge on Jun 16, 2015 4:18:29 GMT
Guess it would all depend what female viewers you are talking to There will always be the Jilliam fans that want all Jilliam all the time but I think many women are happy when W&J are working together. There are also a surprising number of women that just aren't into the relationships at all, they're happier with the mysteries. In other words, women are as much into the different aspects that make up MM as men. |
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Post by lizmc on Jun 16, 2015 4:29:57 GMT
Guess it would all depend what female viewers you are talking to There will always be the Jilliam fans that want all Jilliam all the time but I think many women are happy when W&J are working together. There are also a surprising number of women that just aren't into the relationships at all, they're happier with the mysteries. In other words, women are as much into the different aspects that make up MM as men. This sums it up nicely......I admit my main interest ranges between the mysteries and the history........ |
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Post by snacky on Jun 17, 2015 3:33:50 GMT
There will always be the Jilliam fans that want all Jilliam all the time but I think many women are happy when W&J are working together. There are also a surprising number of women that just aren't into the relationships at all, they're happier with the mysteries. In other words, women are as much into the different aspects that make up MM as men. This sums it up nicely......I admit my main interest ranges between the mysteries and the history........ Yes, I think it's unfair to stereotype women as interested solely in romance. This is where I think male writers often go wrong when they think they have a large female audience and attempt to "please" them by distorting the show in favor of romantic fan service, decontextualized from other elements. I was a history major a huge history buff: MM's unusual time period was a major draw. People don't hear that as much from me because I don't know that much about Canada or this particular time period. Don't underestimate the sheer amount of "geek girls" who are into William's steampunk inventions either. MM's magic results from a formula - made from a mix of ingredients. This is true for female viewers as well as male viewers. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 17, 2015 3:41:54 GMT
I'm on my kindle right now, so I can't carry forward long quotes. In my view men can harbor immature views on sexual frustration at any age. And since women are still mired in Florence Nightengale stereotypes, writers might even gamble that a little sexual healing is exactly what women want. I can't paste a link from here, but if anyone wants to know why I'm dwelling on this, go to Rawstory and check out today's story about how Men's Rights Activists are vindicatring a murderer in Iowa because he's a sexually frustrated beta male. He's not the only murderer of women being explained that way. But, Snacky, Men's Rights Activist groups tend to be extreme right wing misogynists and there is no indication that applies to any of the Murdoch writers. I think you are trying to apply a modern, and limited extremist movement to something that isn't there..... I'm not saying that the writers are MRAs or one stray moment of happiness makes William one - I was letting you know the origin of my concern. What I *am* saying is transforming William's personality via sexual healing or attributing a Florence Nightengale effect to Julia is - I feel - an immature male perspective that I feel compelled to object to. The reason I object is because, IMHO, it ultimately leads to the MRA stuff. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 17, 2015 3:46:20 GMT
Guess it would all depend what female viewers you are talking to Who else finds it somehow wonderfully absurd that evilpete cropped up in the "William, You Perv" thread?  Your Evilness, I hope you find comfort in the fact that no one else here seems to be as attuned to William changing character in the domestic sphere as me. So please regard this whole thread as forum chat working itself out. |
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Post by Hodge on Jun 17, 2015 4:30:20 GMT
But, Snacky, Men's Rights Activist groups tend to be extreme right wing misogynists and there is no indication that applies to any of the Murdoch writers. I think you are trying to apply a modern, and limited extremist movement to something that isn't there..... I'm not saying that the writers are MRAs or one stray moment of happiness makes William one - I was letting you know the origin of my concern. What I *am* saying is transforming William's personality via sexual healing or attributing a Florence Nightengale effect to Julia is - I feel - an immature male perspective that I feel compelled to object to. The reason I object is because, IMHO, it ultimately leads to the MRA stuff. I realize what you're saying. What I'm saying is I don't see it in regard to this show. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 17, 2015 7:13:24 GMT
I'm not saying that the writers are MRAs or one stray moment of happiness makes William one - I was letting you know the origin of my concern. What I *am* saying is transforming William's personality via sexual healing or attributing a Florence Nightengale effect to Julia is - I feel - an immature male perspective that I feel compelled to object to. The reason I object is because, IMHO, it ultimately leads to the MRA stuff. I realize what you're saying. What I'm saying is I don't see it in regard to this show. Well, as I confessed to His Evilness, I seem to be the only one sees it this way. Like my general tolerance for Lillian. |
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