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Post by Lucy on Feb 3, 2010 13:30:40 GMT
 In a Masonic Temple lit by flickering candlelight, a barefoot initiate in a black robe is paraded through a group of men. A skeleton appears, an upside down skull filled with wine in his hands. The initiate drinks from the skull and the temple comes alive with rousing applause and cheering. But the initiate's body slumps then sinks to the ground, dead. Two members steps from the shadows, and tell no one to move. Those members are Inspector Brackenreid and Constable Crabtree… |
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Post by snacky on Aug 23, 2014 3:42:50 GMT
Having watched this episode again last night, perhaps I have been hating a bit too much on William's explanation of why he didn't intervene in Julia's argument with the inspector.
But even if he was taken by surprise by Julia's anger, I'm still irked by the way he handled it. Not only does it feel a bit prepared for him "not understanding" why Julia was angry, he phrases it in such a phony-suave-yet-pathetic way. I'm sure there's an argument that this is William trying to be "winsome", and the fact that he's clumsy at being suave is inherently cute - but it still just comes across as patronizing 'splaining' to me.
I think the scene would have worked better for me if William had modified his declaration: "I will never rescue you..." (how unchivalrous...) into something a bit more thoughtful like: "The reason I don't ride to your rescue is...you don't need it."
In other words - something to leave the door open to the idea he WILL rescue her if she DOES need it, because that's what a real man does. Just as she will rescue him if he needs it, because that's what a real woman does.
It's that "I will never rescue you..." line that gets my goat. It sounds pompous and patronizing. I wonder if the whole scene would be transformed without it...?
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Post by Hodge on Aug 23, 2014 5:09:01 GMT
It's that "I will never rescue you..." line that gets my goat. It sounds pompous and patronizing. I wonder if the whole scene would be transformed without it...? He doesn't actually say "I will never rescue you..." he says "I will not rescue you...". Whilst you could say it means the same I don't find it quite as exclusionary as never. I still think he was being genuine and his explanation was fine for me. Julia's a strong woman and he's telling her he knows that. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 23, 2014 6:21:10 GMT
It's that "I will never rescue you..." line that gets my goat. It sounds pompous and patronizing. I wonder if the whole scene would be transformed without it...? He doesn't actually say "I will never rescue you..." he says "I will not rescue you...". Whilst you could say it means the same I don't find it quite as exclusionary as never. I still think he was being genuine and his explanation was fine for me. Julia's a strong woman and he's telling her he knows that. Maybe the make up artist is partially to blame. He's giving her the James Bond eye brow the whole time, and somehow I find that irritating.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 23, 2014 13:38:11 GMT
Having watched this episode again last night, perhaps I have been hating a bit too much on William's explanation of why he didn't intervene in Julia's argument with the inspector. But even if he was taken by surprise by Julia's anger, I'm still irked by the way he handled it. Not only does it feel a bit prepared for him "not understanding" why Julia was angry, he phrases it in such a phony-suave-yet-pathetic way. I'm sure there's an argument that this is William trying to be "winsome", and the fact that he's clumsy at being suave is inherently cute - but it still just comes across as patronizing 'splaining' to me. I think the scene would have worked better for me if William had modified his declaration: "I will never rescue you..." (how unchivalrous...) into something a bit more thoughtful like: "The reason I don't ride to your rescue is...you don't need it." In other words - something to leave the door open to the idea he WILL rescue her if she DOES need it, because that's what a real man does. Just as she will rescue him if he needs it, because that's what a real woman does. It's that "I will never rescue you..." line that gets my goat. It sounds pompous and patronizing. I wonder if the whole scene would be transformed without it...? Eh, it didn't really bother me, tbh. Was it a bit heavy handed, sure, but I think William was just awkwardly trying to get laid later that night get himself out of the doghouse toute suite. And, we know that he will rescue her (Murdoch in Toyland, The Murdoch Trap) and even she'll rescue him (Murdoch Ahoy). In other words, it's just William being awkward, one of his endearing traits.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 23, 2014 17:56:43 GMT
It's that "I will never rescue you..." line that gets my goat. It sounds pompous and patronizing. I wonder if the whole scene would be transformed without it...? Eh, it didn't really bother me, tbh. Was it a bit heavy handed, sure, but I think William was just awkwardly trying to get laid later that night get himself out of the doghouse toute suite. And, we know that he will rescue her (Murdoch in Toyland, The Murdoch Trap) and even she'll rescue him (Murdoch Ahoy). In other words, it's just William being awkward, one of his endearing traits. lol, I think your wishy just washied the other way! Do you think William's pathetic little ploy and rico suave eye brows got him a date later that evening? Hmph, Julia should have made him grovel some more. I will agree his awkwardness is endearing, and they both know that the rescuing will happen as needed, but the way he said it was just...grrrr...grating.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 24, 2014 14:30:08 GMT
Eh, it didn't really bother me, tbh. Was it a bit heavy handed, sure, but I think William was just awkwardly trying to get laid later that night get himself out of the doghouse toute suite. And, we know that he will rescue her (Murdoch in Toyland, The Murdoch Trap) and even she'll rescue him (Murdoch Ahoy). In other words, it's just William being awkward, one of his endearing traits. lol, I think your wishy just washied the other way! Do you think William's pathetic little ploy and rico suave eye brows got him a date later that evening? Hmph, Julia should have made him grovel some more. I will agree his awkwardness is endearing, and they both know that the rescuing will happen as needed, but the way he said it was just...grrrr...grating. I think for just a split second, Julia was very skeptical about his apology, and then he turned those eyes on her, and she caved. So yes, I think after William kissed her as a man, he did other things as a man he and Julia enjoyed a nice sunset picnic at the park. Where a certain scene from the Green Muse may or may not have been reenacted, but only this time, William was prepared.  As I said, I reserve the right to be wishy washy on that topic-I want to enjoy W/J smut as well as virgin!William on his wedding night. I want it both ways. And you can't stop me. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 24, 2014 17:35:55 GMT
I think for just a split second, Julia was very skeptical about his apology, and then he turned those eyes on her, and she caved. So yes, I think after William kissed her as a man, he did other things as a man he and Julia enjoyed a nice sunset picnic at the park. Where a certain scene from the Green Muse may or may not have been reenacted, but only this time, William was prepared. As I said, I reserve the right to be wishy washy on that topic-I want to enjoy W/J smut as well as virgin!William on his wedding night. I want it both ways. And you can't stop me.I looooove this explanation.  I will try my hardest to buy that Julia was skeptical - because she really should have continued to be pissed off with his lame non-apology. But I can see how she caved with his helpless "you don't rescuing" and hopeful winsome-mongering. And the kissing-like-a-man was hot. I certainly hope other things followed.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 25, 2014 23:14:17 GMT
I think for just a split second, Julia was very skeptical about his apology, and then he turned those eyes on her, and she caved. So yes, I think after William kissed her as a man, he did other things as a man he and Julia enjoyed a nice sunset picnic at the park. Where a certain scene from the Green Muse may or may not have been reenacted, but only this time, William was prepared. As I said, I reserve the right to be wishy washy on that topic-I want to enjoy W/J smut as well as virgin!William on his wedding night. I want it both ways. And you can't stop me.I looooove this explanation. I will try my hardest to buy that Julia was skeptical - because she really should have continued to be off with his lame non-apology. But I can see how she caved with his helpless "you don't rescuing" and hopeful winsome-mongering. And the kissing-like-a-man was hot. I certainly hope other things followed.
Not stopping you, it's better this way. I just watched it again, and she has a very annoyed look on her face as she says "Your logic is infuriating" to which William responds "And just a little bit winsome?" and she laughs and shakes her head, as if to say 'I can't believe I'm going to let this go'. But she does, because it's William, and she's ready for the makeup sex she can't stay mad at him for long. And yes, doing things as a man is hot. No, that's not one of my personal kinks there at all.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 26, 2014 4:08:12 GMT
I just watched it again, and she has a very annoyed look on her face as she says "Your logic is infuriating" to which William responds "And just a little bit winsome?" and she laughs and shakes her head, as if to say 'I can't believe I'm going to let this go'. But she does, because it's William, and she's ready for the makeup sex she can't stay mad at him for long. And yes, doing things as a man is hot. No, that's not one of my personal kinks there at all. I'm also totally on board with your version of how she lost the short wig earlier.  For some reason that just triggered a mini-vision/fantasy that William and Julia solved the house problem by going "dutch" on a new house. After having a "dream sequence" about all the things that can go wrong with a wedding, William and Julia elope. Julia is wearing pants/male clothes for some reason, and they have a "shotgun marriage" before a judge. Then they go to the new house where Julia allows William to carry her over the threshold after some very fake argument. Then there is some banter about the planning that went into the house and the sturdy Canadian hardwood furniture. Then Julia mentions she's not wearing corset. Hijinks ensue. |
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Post by lea on Jul 11, 2015 2:23:11 GMT
Another ep a day! 1. George & Brackenreid seemed to be masons for a day. I don't think they've ever referenced them being involved with it since? 2. Oooh William was getting glares fairly early on from Julia. 3. William is so overly observant that he immediately notices the photo missing but doesn't realize he's walking into the ladies changing room? George seemed happy when he walked in though! 4. Julia looks good in a suit. I think she needs to dress in one again. 5. I'm about 50/50 okay with William's apology/explanation. It certainly would have been nice for him to chime in at the time but he is definitely correct that Julia generally doesn't need rescuing. |
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Post by Oigirl on Jul 12, 2015 10:07:27 GMT
While I find the mason theme tiresome, I think Julia is marvelous in this episode. She dives right into being undercover, plays a mean BB game. and then puts on trousers and a bad wig and mustache! While I love Murdoch's face when he realizes who Julia is, I believe my fav, George (man of many facial expressions) takes the award. His face when he realizes who the young man he is standing next to (and whose cig he just lit) really is, I think is priceless. "You look like a man - a pretty man!" I laugh every time.
I wish this Julia would return in season 9.
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Post by lea on Jul 12, 2015 19:42:15 GMT
While I find the mason theme tiresome, I think Julia is marvelous in this episode. She dives right into being undercover, plays a mean BB game. and then puts on trousers and a bad wig and mustache! While I love Murdoch's face when he realizes who Julia is, I believe my fav, George (man of many facial expressions) takes the award. His face when he realizes who the young man he is standing next to (and whose cig he just lit) really is, I think is priceless. "You look like a man - a pretty man!" I laugh every time. I wish this Julia would return in season 9. That was so hilarious! George was so startled by it. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 13, 2015 9:45:38 GMT
While I find the mason theme tiresome, I think Julia is marvelous in this episode. She dives right into being undercover, plays a mean BB game. and then puts on trousers and a bad wig and mustache! While I love Murdoch's face when he realizes who Julia is, I believe my fav, George (man of many facial expressions) takes the award. His face when he realizes who the young man he is standing next to (and whose cig he just lit) really is, I think is priceless. "You look like a man - a pretty man!" I laugh every time. I wish this Julia would return in season 9. That was so hilarious! George was so startled by it. We've had some disputes on here about the argument with William at the end (I think William is being pompous and annoying, but others don't). However, I can get on board on with the idea that William is turned on by Julia in men's clothing with all it's dom implications. I'd sure like to see that again instead of the simpering Julia who is so proud of her man for doing this, that, and the other. |
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Post by lea on Jul 13, 2015 15:27:02 GMT
That was so hilarious! George was so startled by it. We've had some disputes on here about the argument with William at the end (I think William is being pompous and annoying, but others don't). However, I can get on board on with the idea that William is turned on by Julia in men's clothing with all it's dom implications. I'd sure like to see that again instead of the simpering Julia who is so proud of her man for doing this, that, and the other. I am so on board with William being turned on by it as well. |
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I will try my hardest to buy that Julia was skeptical - because she really should have continued to be pissed off with his lame non-apology. But I can see how she caved with his helpless "you don't rescuing" and hopeful winsome-mongering. And the kissing-like-a-man was hot. 
