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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 19:48:34 GMT
I know it's hind sight, but I suspected this was what was going to happen. Is it a bit unpalatable for her-yes-but she's doing it for William-because she loves him and it's that important to him. But who would forego a church wedding for her. But she wants to marry all of him, and that's beautiful character growth. I knew she would eventually do it, but it's still great. As for not tolerating others to speak ill of him, I think she's been doing that for a while-well before she agreed to a religious compromise. I'm interested in the fact that Julia seems to think that Catholic religious beliefs are cruel and are harming William in some way. She was discomfited by those "castigation of the body" pics, too. Methinks she's beginning to worry about the honeymoon night and William's "dark places". |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 19:51:10 GMT
I'm trying out scenarios in my head to get Noir-charmant 'out there' at the screening. Well don't get pushy with it for my sake. I was pleased to see my manifesto theory in action, though. That "magic homburg" was totally a noir charmant move. And so was straightening the tie before the tackle. Magritte could have painted that. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 20:04:02 GMT
As far as the priest-I definitely saw shades of the current pope in that portrayal No, Julia wasn't super driven about planning her first wedding, but that was because she didn't want to actually go through with it-I think she was subconsciously hoping William would put a stop to it before it ever got that far. But he didn't.  Speaking of nightmares, have you seen a closeup of the dress. Oh, no, no, and no. Please be a nightmare, please?Hmm, I don't follow news of the current Pope at all other than he is a simple man who caused a stir with his focus on the poor. I thought that was awesome. I wonder if the show is commenting on that. But it would be more historically accurate to portray the Catholicism at the time, which was under extreme fire from the rising tide of secularism. William found himself a seriously radical priest - I hope Julia appreciates that. ( I hope it's the might-be-gay priest, hahahaha). I agree Julia was hoping William would stop the first wedding. But I also believe she's not into planning weddings. The Bride's family is usually responsible for that stuff, and her family is gone. Even if it's William and Julia's nightmare, I think Mrs. B should step in and get busy with it! Hens to the rescue! I'm having a sad about the dress. I was really hoping to see Julia in something more mod.  Why are William and Julia running away from the altar?  |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 21, 2014 20:06:38 GMT
As for the tie straightening scene-OMG YASSSSSSS! Yeah! LOL when I saw that, my husband probably wondered what I was so amused at. William manning up with the tie straightening, absolutely classic. I laughed out loud and WOO HOOed! Go get-em tiger. Now if he would just do that with Julia.... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 20:09:00 GMT
As far as the priest-I definitely saw shades of the current pope in that portrayal No, Julia wasn't super driven about planning her first wedding, but that was because she didn't want to actually go through with it-I think she was subconsciously hoping William would put a stop to it before it ever got that far. But he didn't. Speaking of nightmares, have you seen a closeup of the dress. Oh, no, no, and no. Please be a nightmare, please?Hmm, I don't follow news of the current Pope at all other than he is a simple man who caused a stir with his focus on the poor. I thought that was awesome. I wonder if the show is commenting on that. But it would be more historically accurate to portray the Catholicism at the time, which was under extreme fire from the rising tide of secularism. William found himself a seriously radical priest - I hope Julia appreciates that. ( I hope it's the might-be-gay priest, hahahaha). I agree Julia was hoping William would stop the first wedding. But I also believe she's not into planning weddings. The Bride's family is usually responsible for that stuff, and her family is gone. Even if it's William and Julia's nightmare, I think Mrs. B should step in and get busy with it! Hens to the rescue! I'm having a sad about the dress. I was really hoping to see Julia in something more mod. Why are William and Julia running away from the altar? Wasn't there something said this past summer about multiple wedding scenarios? I'm guessing a few nightmare scenarios before the big day actually happens. That's why I'm hoping that's William's nightmare of what could go wrong, and the real dress (which they shouldn't spoil, IMO) is still yet to be seen. Also, her hair. Please do something about her hair. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 20:10:11 GMT
had to clue him in on what was happening. there's been little of her being anything other than the little lady this season. As for the tie straightening scene-OMG YASSSSSSS! I loved that bit-it's third to his freakout at the bordello and and nervousness with the belly dancer. I love nervous William. So much reaction win in this episode! Yes my vote is with William not picking up those social cues at all. Aspergers much? Also agree about Julia being a third wheel. I've felt that ever since she moved out of the morgue. I hate that she's a psychiatrist, and I'd like to see her open up a serious women's clinic again and see more action. Regarding Terminator!William and tie: this show had the perfect balance of Bambi!William and ActionWilliam! - I also thought the plot was smooth. I know you saw it as more fragmented, but it didn't seem that way to me. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 20:13:13 GMT
had to clue him in on what was happening. there's been little of her being anything other than the little lady this season. As for the tie straightening scene-OMG YASSSSSSS! I loved that bit-it's third to his freakout at the bordello and and nervousness with the belly dancer. I love nervous William. So much reaction win in this episode! Yes my vote is with William not picking up those social cues at all. Aspergers much? Also agree about Julia being a third wheel. I've felt that ever since she moved out of the morgue. I hate that she's a psychiatrist, and I'd like to see her open up a serious women's clinic again and see more action. Regarding Terminator!William and tie: this show had the perfect balance of Bambi!William and ActionWilliam! - I also thought the plot was smooth. I know you saw it as more fragmented, but it didn't seem that way to me. But her position as a psychiatrist opens up great opportunities for profiling. I'm hoping they get around to using her that way in the later episodes. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 21, 2014 20:16:42 GMT
Yeah! LOL when I saw that, my husband probably wondered what I was so amused at. William manning up with the tie straightening, absolutely classic. I laughed out loud and WOO HOOed! Go get-em tiger. Now if he would just do that with Julia....Tackle her like a linebacker into a bed of hay? 
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 20:18:18 GMT
I laughed out loud and WOO HOOed! Go get-em tiger. Now if he would just do that with Julia....Tackle her like a linebacker into a bed of hay?
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 21, 2014 20:19:00 GMT
But William has been in whorehouses before. This was the "best" whorehouse in town - presumably an equivalent to The Music Academy, and William had no problems there. I'd be curious to see how "nervous" William was in the movie version where he met Ettie. In any case, I'm persuaded he only became nervous when he was directly propositioned. Maybe this is because part of his mind is considering it. Maybe it's hard to be such a proper gentleman, and he's been holding out for a loooooooooong time. He doesn't want to be put in a position where his resole might crumble. I totally agree with your theory of building a home as a symbol of providing. When William met Ettie in "Except the Dying" she was a street-walker of a very low caliber, so no whorehouse then. I agree that Wm is fine around such women when he's in detective mode. It's when a proposition gets under his skin that he squirms. He was so cute bumping into that table! No fears here that his resolve is in any danger of crumbling unless and until Julia gets ahold of that tie  ! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 21, 2014 20:19:25 GMT
Yes my vote is with William not picking up those social cues at all. Aspergers much? Also agree about Julia being a third wheel. I've felt that ever since she moved out of the morgue. I hate that she's a psychiatrist, and I'd like to see her open up a serious women's clinic again and see more action. Regarding Terminator!William and tie: this show had the perfect balance of Bambi!William and ActionWilliam! - I also thought the plot was smooth. I know you saw it as more fragmented, but it didn't seem that way to me. But her position as a psychiatrist opens up great opportunities for profiling. I'm hoping they get around to using her that way in the later episodes. Yeah, based on what William said in Unfinished Business, about wanting to work together more, I'm thinking he'll attempt to get Julia an actual legit spot on the detective force as a profiler once they're married. I dunno about her dropping her practice though... |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 20:21:00 GMT
much of the symbolism seems to be about self flagellation, denial and despair, not very uplifting (looking at this from an atheist point of view here). No wonder William is so repressed. It's not the gay priest, he was Protestant but not sure which church. I've thought from the start that the reason the date hasn't been set is because the venue hadn't been decided upon. The next big hurdle is where they'll live. I'm not sure why they have to go house hunting when Julia owns a perfectly good house on Linden St. I can understand William wanting to build a house but I can't see Julia living there in the meantime. Even Mrs. Kitchen realized that her boarding house wasn't the place for newlyweds. They should live on Linden St. whilst a new house is built. This should have been discussed long ago, weeks or days before the wedding doesn't bode well for a great start. I think Julia accepted William's Catholicism but didn't look very deeply into what that meant. Once she started to, she was immediately disturbed by the self-flagellation, etc. She came at the priest with the idea that Catholicism was mentally cruel. However, I think her talks with the priest must have alleviated some of her concerns. I wish we'd seen more of how her concerns were resolved, though. The priest seemed willing to permit the wedding in the Church as soon as Julia ceased to think of Catholicism as mentally cruel. He didn't seem to be laying The Rules on her. Aw, bummed it's not the possibly-gay priest, lol. I think it was in Julia's ballcourt to set the venue - so she's half responsible for the delay. But she may have been waiting on a clue as to where they would live. Perhaps William had dropped some hint it wouldn't be at Linden street but then failed to follow through on where they would live otherwise. Julia then assumed they were buying a new house, but William kept blowing off possible neighborhoods. Meanwhile William kept fantasizing about the electric castle house he would build for Julia. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 20:30:00 GMT
Perhaps he was compromising, but at the end of the day, he's a simple priest who's trying to do what's best for a good and faithful member of his flock. He's no calculating archbishop maneuvering politically with an HRE. CC says the show has admitted a mistake re: the Magic Homburg, but I'm still going to say that it was all for you, baby! The priest seemed to really care about William. If he were the gay one, I'd be saying hahahaha - gay crush!  Anyway I do think he's stepping a little out of the Rules on this one, and even if that fits what he believes, if this is his regular practice, it could get him in trouble down the line. He reminds me of one of those pastoral care priests of the 60s, though! I wonder if the Priest gave Julia a book that wasn't the Bible. Surely she's read the Bible. What else could he have given her that emphasized the "divine love" aspect of religious belief. Waaaa - did the show really say the Magic Homburg was a mistake! How could they!? The Magic Homburg is real! *clings to the Magic Homburg belief system* |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 20:34:56 GMT
Agreed about the venue-but I'm suspecting that Julia couldn't get William to discuss or commit on a venue (such as talking to his priest) so she had to take it upon herself to select the venue and therefore an ASAP date. You know, because honeymoon, and tie removal. I think living in Julia's house while he builds them a house is an excellent compromise. Julia's going to have to talk to him about this seeing as he's being obtuse about it. He can't figure it out on his own. The question is why can't Julia get William to talk about these things. What do they talk about when they go out on a date? They do date. When George offered to take William to dinner (that sounds kind of kinky now that I type it), William said he had a date with Julia. Do they talk about the weather the whole time? I'm sure this means they haven't talked about where they are going on their honeymoon, either. Don't you have to book serious travel at least a few days in advance? |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 21, 2014 20:35:09 GMT
Wasn't there something said this past summer about multiple wedding scenarios? I'm guessing a few nightmare scenarios before the big day actually happens. That's why I'm hoping that's William's nightmare of what could go wrong, and the real dress (which they shouldn't spoil, IMO) is still yet to be seen. Also, her hair. Please do something about her hair. OMG her hair!! I thought this has to be a nightmare, surely Julia would not want to be seen dead with that hairstyle. |
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