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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2014 17:19:21 GMT
It's the place he's made his life rather than having a life made for him. Does that make sense?? It does. Although at the time, it wasn't much of a life. Luckily, it got better. He stuck it out there even when Julia moved to Buffalo. In The Great Wall, he seems to regard the constabulary as his family. This is odd considering how he's oppressed by the glass ceiling, how he has to act within rigid hierarchies at Station House 4, and how he's always annoying people. After The Great Wall, other constables were probably wary of him as some sort of "internal affairs" officer. After Murdoch in Wonderland, Giles regarded him as a "scofflaw", so he didn't even get to live his own identity. At least George is a sort of bro (that William tricks into doing all the digging). And the Inspector does invite him over for Christmas dinner. It's as if William belongs to an abusive, dysfunctional family, but it's the only family he knows. And running away would leave him with no family at all. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2014 17:40:05 GMT
It does. Although at the time, it wasn't much of a life. Luckily, it got better. He stuck it out there even when Julia moved to Buffalo. In The Great Wall, he seems to regard the constabulary as his family. This is odd considering how he's oppressed by the glass ceiling, how he has to act within rigid hierarchies at Station House 4, and how he's always annoying people. After The Great Wall, other constables were probably wary of him as some sort of "internal affairs" officer. After Murdoch in Wonderland, Giles regarded him as a "scofflaw", so he didn't even get to live his own identity. At least George is a sort of bro (that William tricks into doing all the digging). And the Inspector does invite him over for Christmas dinner. It's as if William belongs to an abusive, dysfunctional family, but it's the only family he knows. And running away would leave him with no family at all. He thought he fit in with the constabulary however SH4 is his family. Whilst he may be oppressed by the glass ceiling he's not oppressed within his home, SH4. The constables at SH4 look up to him and Brackenreid is somewhat of a father figure. Giles is more like an unbending school principal that knows how smart he is but won't allow for some headstrong (scofflaw) behaviour. It's the only family he's had since he was 8, perhaps he doesn't see it as abusive and dysfunctional, his real family was that. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2014 17:42:06 GMT
He thought he fit in with the constabulary however SH4 is his family. Whilst he may be oppressed by the glass ceiling he's not oppressed within his home, SH4. The constables at SH4 look up to him and Brackenreid is somewhat of a father figure. Giles is more like an unbending school principal that knows how smart he is but won't allow for some headstrong (scofflaw) behaviour. It's the only family he's had since he was 8, perhaps he doesn't see it as abusive and dysfunctional, his real family was that. He's lucky they still love him even though he corrects their grammar, is an exacting taskmaster, and has to be right all the time! |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2014 17:44:39 GMT
He thought he fit in with the constabulary however SH4 is his family. Whilst he may be oppressed by the glass ceiling he's not oppressed within his home, SH4. The constables at SH4 look up to him and Brackenreid is somewhat of a father figure. Giles is more like an unbending school principal that knows how smart he is but won't allow for some headstrong (scofflaw) behaviour. It's the only family he's had since he was 8, perhaps he doesn't see it as abusive and dysfunctional, his real family was that. He's lucky they still love him even though he corrects their grammar, is an exacting taskmaster, and has to be right all the time! He's the brother that always gets on your nerves but you love him anyway. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2014 17:45:50 GMT
He's lucky they still love him even though he corrects their grammar, is an exacting taskmaster, and has to be right all the time! He's the brother that always gets on your nerves but you love him anyway. Yes but in a real family you are stuck with him. In a job, the "glue" isn't nearly as strong. George really is his wingman though. William doesn't appreciate him nearly enough! I have a suspicion George even gave William a stock tip, helped him sell an invention, or otherwise helped put him in a position to buy fancy threads and go to French restaurants in season 7.  |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2014 18:25:01 GMT
Yes but in a real family you are stuck with him. In a job, the "glue" isn't nearly as strong. George really is his wingman though. William doesn't appreciate him nearly enough! I have a suspicion George even gave William a stock tip, helped him sell an invention, or otherwise helped put him in a position to buy fancy threads and go to French restaurants in season 7. No it's not real family but William doesn't really have any other choice, it's make a family of sorts or have none, at least until he finally marries Julia. |
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Post by lovemondays on Sept 22, 2014 19:50:12 GMT
Hey gang. I've finally been catching up! I was SO disappointed that I couldn't go to fanexpo but thanks for putting the video up snacky.
Christina summed it up very well I think when she said that this season is about "beginnings", the backstories. Of course William's varied past is of endless interest to us all but I've always been curious about Julia's strained relationship with her father. They touched on it at the end of last season but I still have so many questions.
I find it interesting that Edna has reappeared, widowed with a stepson who seems to be in the middle of the dock situation. He needs protecting and George needs a romance. However, I find it echoes the beginning of William's relationship with Enid...boy needs help, pretty widowed mother...I was never a fan of Enid as a romantic partner for William. I hated the way she treated him like a child eg. spoon feeding him in 'Convalescence' and when she put her hand on his chin to turn his head in 'Murdoch.com'. The character is one Maureen Jennings created. She was just a overbearing in the book too.
Regarding William's sense of "home", I think he realized back in "The Great Wall" that home is primarily wherever Julia is, followed by his fraternity at SH4. I'm thinking of his welcome back at the end of 'The Murdoch Identity'.
I haven't checked in on any other threads yet so forgive me if it's come up but...I have been very intrigued by the ads CBC is running. They are short, dark and give nothing away. (Ovation should take note). I think they are fantastic!
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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2014 20:33:15 GMT
No it's not real family but William doesn't really have any other choice, it's make a family of sorts or have none, at least until he finally marries Julia. The start of Season 4 was really interesting - it makes you wonder how he got along before Julia was there. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 22, 2014 20:37:43 GMT
Regarding William's sense of "home", I think he realized back in "The Great Wall" that home is primarily wherever Julia is, followed by his fraternity at SH4. I'm thinking of his welcome back at the end of 'The Murdoch Identity'. If this is true, I wonder what would happen if Julia wanted to move back to Buffalo for a fantastic job opportunity. Would William follow her this time? |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2014 20:44:40 GMT
Regarding William's sense of "home", I think he realized back in "The Great Wall" that home is primarily wherever Julia is, followed by his fraternity at SH4. I'm thinking of his welcome back at the end of 'The Murdoch Identity'. If this is true, I wonder what would happen if Julia wanted to move back to Buffalo for a fantastic job opportunity. Would William follow her this time? In this case perhaps he would, he knows he'd have a job there. |
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Post by lovemondays on Sept 22, 2014 21:41:14 GMT
If this is true, I wonder what would happen if Julia wanted to move back to Buffalo for a fantastic job opportunity. Would William follow her this time? In this case perhaps he would, he knows he'd have a job there. That is very true; however, snacky's death knell scenario for MM would result. William and Julia would both have jobs but not the rest of our beloved cast of characters. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 22, 2014 21:44:17 GMT
In this case perhaps he would, he knows he'd have a job there. That is very true; however, snacky's death knell scenario for MM would result. William and Julia would both have jobs but not the rest of our beloved cast of characters. Too true but it would make a final episode for the show. Don't want to think about that though, this show could go on forever for my liking. |
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Post by lovemondays on Sept 22, 2014 23:03:30 GMT
I'm with you on that. You still posed a good question though. I think William would go anywhere with Julia. Ultimately, she IS his home.
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Post by ziggy on Sept 22, 2014 23:43:36 GMT
Is that the same as the Open House? No, some of the scenes were the same, some weren't. I think some of the eps that were in the fan expo promo weren't even filmed by the MME. So what was in the MME or Open House promos that required secrecy? They obviously didn’t think there was anything in the fanexpo promo to hush up. Is there something you are not telling us Talbo? |
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Post by ziggy on Sept 22, 2014 23:50:37 GMT
Sorry folks, can’t always be here so it’s hard to keep up with the discussion live. It’s so much more fun that way. Anyways, I didn’t hate Enid but I didn’t think she was suitable for William, not at that point in his life. She was just too authoritative and stern. Her maternal instinct to fiercely protect her son extended to William. William didn’t choose Julia over her or any other woman for that matter. He simply told the truth, having been put on the spot, that he was still thinking of Julia even though he had broken up with her (or thought he did) and that it would take a while for him to get over her completely but he was willing to give it a go. I think Enid was too hasty in dismissing him but I understand her reasoning (plus such was the script she was given). It’s one thing to nurse a broken heart as an adult, when William eventually goes back to Julia, it’s a different thing for a young child to deal with especially one who is not quite over the loss of a father. She wasn’t prepared to take the chance to see where things will go with William. On the other hand, it was never going to be easy for William to forget Julia and move on with Julia in his face everyday. They weren’t just in the same town, he woke up to her every morning at work and spent the whole day around her. He couldn’t even take his new found girlfriend on a little stroll before a pork roast dinner without bumping into her. It would have been impossible to have a quick, clean break in that situation. He needed a loooooong time and plenty of support and understanding and Enid didn’t give him any.
Anna, well, she is a special case. She is a real threat to Julia and Julia knows it. She has seen the way William is around Anna and knows what it means (she should know, having been the recipient of his love and attention all these years). I will say again that William has gone all the way with Anna and he will do it again given the chance. But alas, she’s not about to turn up in Toronto anytime soon.
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