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Post by snacky on Oct 10, 2014 23:35:56 GMT
Whoa, wait a minute....in Convalescence, when William dreamed of Julia in bed beside him, wasn't she fiddling with his pyjamas top? So William likes her fiddling with his clothes....and no hat and no tie. In his dreams! He must know where all that fiddling is leading. Unbuttoning... |
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Post by snacky on Oct 10, 2014 23:38:33 GMT
It seems to me that William has never been part of the 99.9% of the men in those days and I don't think he will have a problem at all. My husband keeps telling me he would love to be a kept man, so there you are. William has spent his entire life trying to prove himself. I don't think it will be easy for him to get out of that mode. I don't think he will settle into becoming a "kept man", though. I think he will do alternative things to become a prosperous man if he can't rise in the ranks of the constabulary. |
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Post by carco on Oct 10, 2014 23:48:38 GMT
Still it was a masterful job of directing. That it was! That was an amazing episode- technically and creatively. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 11, 2014 3:03:53 GMT
Well said. I don't think this is going to be a big crisis, but it is something Julia's going to have to address soon (probably next episode). She may even have planned on bringing it up when she was talking to William when Slorach and later Emily interrupted them. No, she doesn't expect William to finance her higher standard of living, but she may just now be aware how much of a sore spot it is for him. Having watched this again finally, I'm pretty sure she's figured out that this is what's behind the delayed date, and she's going to take care of it in a respectful way. No, she doesn't expect William to provide for her in her current manner (that's why she has a job) but she probably is going to have to compromise on a house-maybe something that William can at least pay half of. Yes, I agree with your thoughts that Julia is going to have to address it sooner rather than later and I'm also on board with you in that she will likely need to compromise with him on the house, unless he's been socking his money away as others have suggested....that's certainly not out of the realm! Also, whether or not they adopt, with both working full time and no TV dinners available in those days, they are going to need a cook and a housekeeper at the very least. BTW Fallenbelle, really sorry about crediting snacky with the tie "thing" in error, I do remember clearly now that snacky has the Humberg theory and you are, indeed, the author of the tie theory. Both theories continue to hold water, too! Oh, don't worry! Most of these crazy theories do originate with Snacky!  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 11, 2014 3:38:09 GMT
Yes, I agree with your thoughts that Julia is going to have to address it sooner rather than later and I'm also on board with you in that she will likely need to compromise with him on the house, unless he's been socking his money away as others have suggested....that's certainly not out of the realm! Also, whether or not they adopt, with both working full time and no TV dinners available in those days, they are going to need a cook and a housekeeper at the very least. BTW Fallenbelle, really sorry about crediting snacky with the tie "thing" in error, I do remember clearly now that snacky has the Humberg theory and you are, indeed, the author of the tie theory. Both theories continue to hold water, too! Oh, don't worry! Most of these crazy theories do originate with Snacky!  |
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Post by carco on Oct 11, 2014 4:13:58 GMT
Oh, don't worry! Most of these crazy theories do originate with Snacky! Close your mouth snacky- you know it's true!  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 11, 2014 5:15:10 GMT
Close your mouth snacky- you know it's true! They aren't all crazy...  |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 12, 2014 2:53:08 GMT
Slorach will have been the inspector at SH4 since Brackenreid was attacked, so probably about 4-6 months. They couldn't have been without for that long. The writers needed Slorak both to establish a time reference and to create a compelling set of reasons for Brackenreid to come back. His presence also kept us in suspense about Brax's condition for the first little while. I got wondering if William's Catholocism is really the only reason he was passed over. Yes, he's the mayor's hero and the best detective in the realm but he created a pretty big career ceiling for himself when he gave Ava Moon the means and opportunity to escape. If CI Giles promoted William it would send a very mixed message to the rank and file, not to mention also having to overcome his own sense of outrage over the whole incident. Late reply, I know. Just couldn’t make it back here sooner and I see the conversation’s moved on since then. I agree that they needed an Inspector and I didn’t mind Slorach being there. I like the guy and I looked forward all summer to seeing him again. I was just disappointed at his performance. That wasn’t my idea of adding some comedy to the episode. In some ways, his behavior at the crime scene (and quite frankly throughout the episode) was more shocking to me than the head bashing. I hope they put him to good use in part 2 and he gets Betsy, his rifle, firing at least to get one of those O’Shea brothers or any of those vicious dockers. He is a great sniper. William will never become Inspector as long as CC Stockton has the final say simply because William is Catholic. Giles, I think is a bit more flexible. On paper, Ava Moon broke out of jail of her own accord (faulty locks, Brackenreid told them  . It had nothing to do with William). His superiors didn’t believe him, of course, especially Giles, but they accepted it with a pinch of salt. That’s what’s on file. I am sure though, that Brackenreid has found other ways to get extra pay stubs for William through the years. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 3:35:55 GMT
Late reply, I know. Just couldn’t make it back here sooner and I see the conversation’s moved on since then. I agree that they needed an Inspector and I didn’t mind Slorach being there. I like the guy and I looked forward all summer to seeing him again. I was just disappointed at his performance. That wasn’t my idea of adding some comedy to the episode. In some ways, his behavior at the crime scene (and quite frankly throughout the episode) was more shocking to me than the head bashing. I hope they put him to good use in part 2 and he gets Betsy, his rifle, firing at least to get one of those O’Shea brothers or any of those vicious dockers. He is a great sniper. William will never become Inspector as long as CC Stockton has the final say simply because William is Catholic. Giles, I think is a bit more flexible. On paper, Ava Moon broke out of jail of her own accord (faulty locks, Brackenreid told them . It had nothing to do with William). His superiors didn’t believe him, of course, especially Giles, but they accepted it with a pinch of salt. That’s what’s on file. I am sure though, that Brackenreid has found other ways to get extra pay stubs for William through the years. I'm under the impression Giles replaced Stockton, but he's even less likely to back William for promotion since he thinks William got away with all sorts of corruption. I'm sure William has gotten a few raises since Season One, but he's still middling salaryman - certainly not the picture of prosperity we see in his fantasies. Regarding Slorach: I disliked the character the first time around, and I still dislike him now. We did get a hint of Betsy: her portrait is on his office wall! |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 12, 2014 5:27:13 GMT
I'm under the impression Giles replaced Stockton, but he's even less likely to back William for promotion since he thinks William got away with all sorts of corruption. I'm sure William has gotten a few raises since Season One, but he's still middling salaryman - certainly not the picture of prosperity we see in his fantasies. Regarding Slorach: I disliked the character the first time around, and I still dislike him now. We did get a hint of Betsy: her portrait is on his office wall! Stockton is superior to Giles and he is still very much there. He didn’t retire. It’s like the Constables rank with various levels within it. The CCs also have their own tiers. Giles may be built like a sledgehammer and he comes down like one on our guys at SH4 but he is more accommodating of William because he is more familiar with William the man and William the copper and appreciates William’s work. Stockton simply sees William as a “bloody Papist”, end of. Poor William, I am sure he will make money some day. I too see prosperity in his future. I could tolerate him the first time around. Not this time, though. I guess I was too busy hissing at Slorach to notice Betsy’s portrait  but I hope to see her in action in pt 2. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 12, 2014 15:27:05 GMT
I'm under the impression Giles replaced Stockton, but he's even less likely to back William for promotion since he thinks William got away with all sorts of corruption. I'm sure William has gotten a few raises since Season One, but he's still middling salaryman - certainly not the picture of prosperity we see in his fantasies. Regarding Slorach: I disliked the character the first time around, and I still dislike him now. We did get a hint of Betsy: her portrait is on his office wall! Stockton is superior to Giles and he is still very much there. He didn’t retire. It’s like the Constables rank with various levels within it. The CCs also have their own tiers. Giles may be built like a sledgehammer and he comes down like one on our guys at SH4 but he is more accommodating of William because he is more familiar with William the man and William the copper and appreciates William’s work. Stockton simply sees William as a “bloody Papist”, end of. Poor William, I am sure he will make money some day. I too see prosperity in his future. I could tolerate him the first time around. Not this time, though. I guess I was too busy hissing at Slorach to notice Betsy’s portrait but I hope to see her in action in pt 2. So you're saying, once a policeman, always a policeman? They never let you leave?! Yeah just not through the constabulary. If he let George patent one or more of his inventions then I'm guessing it'd come from there. But the problem with this scenario is that it'd be anachronistic. It's one thing for a fictional character to invent things that only get used like once within the confines of the precinct, it's another thing altogether to patent these things and become a part of history. It's why Pendrick's inventions/ideas always get destroyed before they really get a foothold. It's why Murdoch wasn't able to sell his lie detector to the dragon lady. Then there's the leftover Klondike money...but he used a good portion of that for bail money...and likely expensive food and drink. Stocks perhaps? But Murdoch considered it little better than gambling in Power and he didn't approve of George putting the police pension money in IBM and things like that. So essentially I'm not sure where these riches would come from.  I suppose he may have more Gold than I think. I'm not sure it was her portrait. It might have been. The real dog died so it could have been their way of paying tribute to her. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 16:38:25 GMT
Stockton is superior to Giles and he is still very much there. He didn’t retire. It’s like the Constables rank with various levels within it. The CCs also have their own tiers. Giles may be built like a sledgehammer and he comes down like one on our guys at SH4 but he is more accommodating of William because he is more familiar with William the man and William the copper and appreciates William’s work. Stockton simply sees William as a “bloody Papist”, end of. Poor William, I am sure he will make money some day. I too see prosperity in his future. I could tolerate him the first time around. Not this time, though. I guess I was too busy hissing at Slorach to notice Betsy’s portrait but I hope to see her in action in pt 2. So you're saying, once a policeman, always a policeman? They never let you leave?! Yeah just not through the constabulary. If he let George patent one or more of his inventions then I'm guessing it'd come from there. But the problem with this scenario is that it'd be anachronistic. It's one thing for a fictional character to invent things that only get used like once within the confines of the precinct, it's another thing altogether to patent these things and become a part of history. It's why Pendrick's inventions/ideas always get destroyed before they really get a foothold. It's why Murdoch wasn't able to sell his lie detector to the dragon lady. Then there's the leftover Klondike money...but he used a good portion of that for bail money...and likely expensive food and drink. Stocks perhaps? But Murdoch considered it little better than gambling in Power and he didn't approve of George putting the police pension money in IBM and things like that. So essentially I'm not sure where these riches would come from. I suppose he may have more Gold than I think. We're assuming William would have to patent something big and history-making to get rich. Silicon Valley patent wars today involve thousands of obscure patents for the most minute details of things that aren't even being manufactured. A company has to contend with around 200 patents just to build a VCR. Now think about items that big businesses or huge research labs might use that don't enter the consumer everyday mindset at all. Or perhaps there is a big patent a company might buy and sit on just for future potential use. So Murdoch Mysteries could posit that William made a nest egg off of patenting "chemical/widget a-123" without particularly specifying what it is or interfering with the timeline. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 12, 2014 18:11:32 GMT
I liked it!  I find very interesting how the writers counter balanced the violence of the crime by/with humour. Patrick Mc KENNA who plays SLORACH is really funny.  However I think Inspector SLORACH is not as too idiot as he seems to be. The "George and Henry" duo is also used as a way to alleviate the seriousness of the situation between cops and dockworkers. Good work! The waterfront seems to be a place with a lot of illegal activities controlled by a "pseudo" mafia. - Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. As for Mr DAWKINS, it was a message but he was luckier and he survived. Then Mick and Tim O'SHEA warn him that it would be better for him to forget all about them and the waterfront by showing him that they knew where he lives and how it's easy to approach his wife. But they ignore that Mrs BRACKENREID is a strong woman and now the inspector is looking for them. - Cecily MAC KINNON hides something, she downplayed the importance of her role/statut of harbormaster -strategy used to divert the MURDOCH's attention from her- and she's too much cooperative with MURDOCH to be honest and on the other side, there is the wife of the victim, Mrs DAWKINS, who seems to not care about the murder of her husband and remains indifferent even annoyed as if she is wasting her time every time MURDOCH questions her. I can't wait to see the part 2. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 18:39:34 GMT
I think Inspector SLORACH is not as too idiot as he seems to be. Cecily MAC KINNON hides something, she downplayed the importance of her role/statut of harbormaster -strategy used to divert the MURDOCH's attention from her- and she's too much cooperative with MURDOCH to be honest I can't wait to see the part 2. I agree that Slorach is not the idiot he appears to be (if he's played the same way as The Murdoch Identity) - but I'm still not a big fan of his character. I love the Harbormaster character! Her shameless pose as a husband-hunting widow is obviously a put-on to disarm William: she probably killed her husband, and now she rules the docks with an iron hand. She may well have arranged for the death of Dawkins as a favor to the Chandler's wife. I'm kind of hoping she escapes "justice" this time and continues to be a menace to the constabulary! I also can't wait for part 2! It airs tomorrow in Canada, but I probably won't be able to view it until the next morning since I couldn't get the VPN to work.  |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 19:20:03 GMT
So you're saying, once a policeman, always a policeman? They never let you leave?! Yeah just not through the constabulary. If he let George patent one or more of his inventions then I'm guessing it'd come from there. But the problem with this scenario is that it'd be anachronistic. It's one thing for a fictional character to invent things that only get used like once within the confines of the precinct, it's another thing altogether to patent these things and become a part of history. It's why Pendrick's inventions/ideas always get destroyed before they really get a foothold. It's why Murdoch wasn't able to sell his lie detector to the dragon lady. Then there's the leftover Klondike money...but he used a good portion of that for bail money...and likely expensive food and drink. Stocks perhaps? But Murdoch considered it little better than gambling in Power and he didn't approve of George putting the police pension money in IBM and things like that. So essentially I'm not sure where these riches would come from. I suppose he may have more Gold than I think. We're assuming William would have to patent something big and history-making to get rich. Silicon Valley patent wars today involve thousands of obscure patents for the most minute details of things that aren't even being manufactured. A company has to contend with around 200 patents just to build a VCR. Now think about items that big businesses or huge research labs might use that don't enter the consumer everyday mindset at all. Or perhaps there is a big patent a company might buy and sit on just for future potential use. So Murdoch Mysteries could posit that William made a nest egg off of patenting "chemical/widget a-123" without particularly specifying what it is or interfering with the timeline. I'm going to address a few things here. First CC Giles replaced CC Stockton, there was no mention of what happened to Stockton but I assume he retired. CC is the highest rank and there can't be two of them. If you mean the picture of the Beagle it wasn't Betty, Betty was a Bloodhound. The actual dog was called Rebecca and belonged to a friend, she was euthanized a few weeks ago due to cancer. Too bad I wasn't watching MM back when she was in it as I could have gone to the shoot with my friend.  I don't agree that Stockton just saw William as a 'bloody Papist'. He really did appreciate that he was a good detective and would follow a lead wherever it went. He also saw him as a good, honourable man and was always congenial with him when he encountered him. Unfortunately William was a Papist and Stockton would never get over that. Giles on the other hand would, I think, be less likely to hold William's religion against him, even though he still does. Giles also thinks William is a brilliant detective but feels he doesn't uphold the law when something gets in the way. The truth at all cost is what Giles believes in and he doesn't believe Brackenreid when he says Constance Gardener/Ava Moon escaped, which means he also doesn't believe William is innocent in her escape. When William proved that Julia could have been framed Giles quickly jumped on that and allowed them to find out the truth. I think Stockton liked William despite his religion however Giles doesn't like him but because of his ethics. As far as Inspector Slorach, he's no Brackenreid and comes across as a bit of a bumbling cop however if you really study, he's interested in what's being said and makes pretty sound decisions on the information. He just has a different style which is deliberate comedic relief in tense situations. |
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. It had nothing to do with William). His superiors didn’t believe him, of course, especially Giles, but they accepted it with a pinch of salt. That’s what’s on file. I am sure though, that Brackenreid has found other ways to get extra pay stubs for William through the years.
but I hope to see her in action in pt 2.
I suppose he may have more Gold than I think.
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