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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 19:34:27 GMT
We're assuming William would have to patent something big and history-making to get rich. Silicon Valley patent wars today involve thousands of obscure patents for the most minute details of things that aren't even being manufactured. A company has to contend with around 200 patents just to build a VCR. Now think about items that big businesses or huge research labs might use that don't enter the consumer everyday mindset at all. Or perhaps there is a big patent a company might buy and sit on just for future potential use. So Murdoch Mysteries could posit that William made a nest egg off of patenting "chemical/widget a-123" without particularly specifying what it is or interfering with the timeline. I'm going to address a few things here. First CC Giles replaced CC Stockton, there was no mention of what happened to Stockton but I assume he retired. CC is the highest rank and there can't be two of them. If you mean the picture of the Beagle it wasn't Betty, Betty was a Bloodhound. The actual dog was called Rebecca and belonged to a friend, she was euthanized a few weeks ago due to cancer. Too bad I wasn't watching MM back when she was in it as I could have gone to the shoot with my friend.  I don't agree that Stockton just saw William as a 'bloody Papist'. He really did appreciate that he was a good detective and would follow a lead wherever it went. He also saw him as a good, honourable man and was always congenial with him when he encountered him. Unfortunately William was a Papist and Stockton would never get over that. Giles on the other hand would, I think, be less likely to hold William's religion against him, even though he still does. Giles also thinks William is a brilliant detective but feels he doesn't uphold the law when something gets in the way. The truth at all cost is what Giles believes in and he doesn't believe Brackenreid when he says Constance Gardener/Ava Moon escaped, which means he also doesn't believe William is innocent in her escape. When William proved that Julia could have been framed Giles quickly jumped on that and allowed them to find out the truth. I think Stockton liked William despite his religion however Giles doesn't like him but because of his ethics. As far as Inspector Slorach, he's no Brackenreid and comes across as a bit of a bumbling cop however if you really study, he's interested in what's being said and makes pretty sound decisions on the information. He just has a different style which is deliberate comedic relief in tense situations. I was also under the impression Giles had replaced Stockton. And I agree Slorach is more observant than he appears. All of these men have complex relationships/views of William, which is part of what makes Murdoch Mysteries so great. But despite the fact they may appreciate William as a detective, it will be a cold day in hell before he gets promoted through the ranks of the constabulary, for a variety of reasons. By the way, I really love the character of Giles. I do see him as trying to do the right thing - he's sort of tlike that obsessive detective in Les Miserables. That is SO AWESOME you had that connection to the filming of Murdoch Mysteries! Toronto is a small world after all! |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 19:44:06 GMT
I was also under the impression Giles had replaced Stockton. And I agree Slorach is more observant than he appears. All of these men have complex relationships/views of William, which is part of what makes Murdoch Mysteries so great. But despite the fact they may appreciate William as a detective, it will be a cold day in hell before he gets promoted through the ranks of the constabulary, for a variety of reasons. By the way, I really love the character of Giles. I do see him as trying to do the right thing - he's sort of tlike that obsessive detective in Les Miserables. That is SO AWESOME you had that connection to the filming of Murdoch Mysteries! Toronto is a small world after all! MM will be filming in a town that's not that far, well, not as far as usual from me, in the near future. Was thinking of driving up there but it seems it's on the very day I'm expecting puppies so unless my bitch manages to hold on to them for another day or so it looks like I won't be able to go. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 12, 2014 20:21:36 GMT
Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. I was confused at first as to why they said he had been investigating the docks before his beat down. I was under the impression they just beat him up because he beat them up. But I guess I like the fact that there's more to it than that. It's the same reason Jackson was attacked. He was about to find out about their secret ______ ______ operation. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 20:41:02 GMT
Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. I was confused at first as to why they said he had been investigating the docks before his beat down. I was under the impression they just beat him up because he beat them up. But I guess I like the fact that there's more to it than that. It's the same reason Jackson was attacked. He was about to find out about their secret ______ ______ operation. At the start of The Death of Dr. Ogden, Inspector Brackenreid was releasing Mic O'Shea from jail - that must have been part of his investigation. I think Jackson got the beat down just because he was hanging around, and the dockworkers/gang operation wanted to scare the coppers away and prove they own the docks. I was really surprised at their audacity in this. There must have been so few police that they felt they really could bully the whole constabulary! Unbelievable! There was no conception of the Station Houses gathering together and breaking out their armories? Is there a lot of bribe money to the mayor involved here? Perhaps there is another reason Murdoch wasn't promoted. He would have discovered the ongoing dock corruption like Inspector Brackenreid, and he wouldn't have condoned it. Slorach, on the other hand, is more of a patsy. |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 12, 2014 21:38:16 GMT
Stockton is superior to Giles and he is still very much there. He didn’t retire. It’s like the Constables rank with various levels within it. The CCs also have their own tiers. Giles may be built like a sledgehammer and he comes down like one on our guys at SH4 but he is more accommodating of William because he is more familiar with William the man and William the copper and appreciates William’s work. Stockton simply sees William as a “bloody Papist”, end of. Poor William, I am sure he will make money some day. I too see prosperity in his future. I could tolerate him the first time around. Not this time, though. I guess I was too busy hissing at Slorach to notice Betsy’s portrait  but I hope to see her in action in pt 2. So you're saying, once a policeman, always a policeman? They never let you leave?! Yeah just not through the constabulary. If he let George patent one or more of his inventions then I'm guessing it'd come from there. But the problem with this scenario is that it'd be anachronistic. It's one thing for a fictional character to invent things that only get used like once within the confines of the precinct, it's another thing altogether to patent these things and become a part of history. It's why Pendrick's inventions/ideas always get destroyed before they really get a foothold. It's why Murdoch wasn't able to sell his lie detector to the dragon lady. Then there's the leftover Klondike money...but he used a good portion of that for bail money...and likely expensive food and drink. Stocks perhaps? But Murdoch considered it little better than gambling in Power and he didn't approve of George putting the police pension money in IBM and things like that. So essentially I'm not sure where these riches would come from.  I suppose he may have more Gold than I think. I'm not sure it was her portrait. It might have been. The real dog died so it could have been their way of paying tribute to her. I think William will have enough money to live a reasonably comfortable life in future (i.e. not forever in a boarding house). He won’t arrive there solely on his current wages but by doing other things like writing books, giving lectures, changing careers, etc. He could get married and start a new life altogether as a family man with different priorities in life. When I say prosperity, I don’t mean living as a millionaire per se. I understand your points on patenting any of his “inventions”, Pendrick and all and those are essentially my conclusions too but there are other ways he can make money even if it’s after the show. We don't have to see that happen during the show. He won’t live on $2 a day for the rest of his life is what I mean. Nothing in his dreams told me he was overly wealthy or living a high life. Betty is the dog. Betsy is the rifle. I was talking about the rifle. Since I didn’t see any picture, I didn’t know if it was of a dog or a rifle. I just assumed snacky saw a photo of a rifle. |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 12, 2014 21:42:31 GMT
I'm going to address a few things here. First CC Giles replaced CC Stockton, there was no mention of what happened to Stockton but I assume he retired. CC is the highest rank and there can't be two of them. If you mean the picture of the Beagle it wasn't Betty, Betty was a Bloodhound. The actual dog was called Rebecca and belonged to a friend, she was euthanized a few weeks ago due to cancer. Too bad I wasn't watching MM back when she was in it as I could have gone to the shoot with my friend. I don't agree that Stockton just saw William as a 'bloody Papist'. He really did appreciate that he was a good detective and would follow a lead wherever it went. He also saw him as a good, honourable man and was always congenial with him when he encountered him. Unfortunately William was a Papist and Stockton would never get over that. Giles on the other hand would, I think, be less likely to hold William's religion against him, even though he still does. Giles also thinks William is a brilliant detective but feels he doesn't uphold the law when something gets in the way. The truth at all cost is what Giles believes in and he doesn't believe Brackenreid when he says Constance Gardener/Ava Moon escaped, which means he also doesn't believe William is innocent in her escape. When William proved that Julia could have been framed Giles quickly jumped on that and allowed them to find out the truth. I think Stockton liked William despite his religion however Giles doesn't like him but because of his ethics. As far as Inspector Slorach, he's no Brackenreid and comes across as a bit of a bumbling cop however if you really study, he's interested in what's being said and makes pretty sound decisions on the information. He just has a different style which is deliberate comedic relief in tense situations. I don’t believe Giles replaced Stockton. Was that specifically mentioned, because I missed it. Giles was promoted to CC and Brackenreid also shortly after Giles. Were they both to replace Stockton? Giles accepted his own but Brackenreid did not. He claimed it would not only take him out to Ottawa, it would be too boring for him as it was only a desk job. I think the strongest reason he had, which he wouldn’t admit to, is that he knew if he left his position, they would bring someone else to replace him instead of promoting William. He wasn’t having any of that. He is very protective of William. Stockton is more of a politician in Police uniform, a more global/national status whereas, Giles is still more at the regional level. Stockton has his own colleagues, at his level, as does Giles. Stockton might have become Commissioner, a higher position than CC but he did not retire. Stockton acknowledges William’s brilliance and his work as a detective but he can’t exactly take away his brains. There’s nothing he can do about that. The only thing he can do is stop him from advancing beyond the point where he first came to his attention and he is making sure of that. Giles on the other hand knows William is Papist but he wouldn’t let his own personal like or dislike get in the way of doing the right thing. Giles does like William and Brackenreid but you couldn’t tell that just by looking at him especially when you see the way he is with them both. It’s just the way he is and like William said, if he is peeved with them, it’s because they’ve given him reason to. He is not the malicious type or one to bear grudges or discriminate like Stockton. Slorach already set me off settling down to breakfast in the midst of such a horrific scene, right at the beginning. But anyway, that’s moot now that I have gotten over my initial irritation and I am looking forward to pt 2 (just a few hours away – yay!) where I think he will be more useful. I liked pt 1, with or without Slorach and I haven’t given up on Slorach himself yet. |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 12, 2014 22:00:05 GMT
Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. I agree and I think that whatever it is has some very powerful people behind it. I think it goes beyond the harbormaster (who I think is neck deep in it) and Mrs. Dawkins and even pt 2 will not bring it all to a final conclusion. It is something that I think will run deep into the season but in the background especially as it relates to Brackenreid’s recovery. He will have to get over his fear and his anguish knowing that there is nothing specific he can do to put a definitive end to the situation without risking getting killed or putting his family in danger. It is very interesting and I can’t wait to see the bigger picture. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 23:15:52 GMT
Betty is the dog. Betsy is the rifle. I was talking about the rifle. Since I didn’t see any picture, I didn’t know if it was of a dog or a rifle. I just assumed snacky saw a photo of a rifle. The portrait was of a dog.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 23:17:58 GMT
Inspector BRACKENREID must have been about to find out compromising things before being beaten. I agree and I think that whatever it is has some very powerful people behind it. I think it goes beyond the harbormaster (who I think is neck deep in it) and Mrs. Dawkins and even pt 2 will not bring it all to a final conclusion. It is something that I think will run deep into the season but in the background especially as it relates to Brackenreid’s recovery. He will have to get over his fear and his anguish knowing that there is nothing specific he can do to put a definitive end to the situation without risking getting killed or putting his family in danger. It is very interesting and I can’t wait to see the bigger picture. I think high political figures are involved if the gang thinks they can get away with beating up constables. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 12, 2014 23:29:46 GMT
I agree and I think that whatever it is has some very powerful people behind it. I think it goes beyond the harbormaster (who I think is neck deep in it) and Mrs. Dawkins and even pt 2 will not bring it all to a final conclusion. It is something that I think will run deep into the season but in the background especially as it relates to Brackenreid’s recovery. He will have to get over his fear and his anguish knowing that there is nothing specific he can do to put a definitive end to the situation without risking getting killed or putting his family in danger. It is very interesting and I can’t wait to see the bigger picture. I think high political figures are involved if the gang thinks they can get away with beating up constables. I thought the big secret (which wasn't so secret) was an illegal sex ring operation. But I suppose that could just be one branch of the bigger picture. Now I'm wondering if the Black Hand is back in town.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 12, 2014 23:34:33 GMT
I was confused at first as to why they said he had been investigating the docks before his beat down. I was under the impression they just beat him up because he beat them up. But I guess I like the fact that there's more to it than that. It's the same reason Jackson was attacked. He was about to find out about their secret ______ ______ operation. At the start of The Death of Dr. Ogden, Inspector Brackenreid was releasing Mic O'Shea from jail - that must have been part of his investigation. I think Jackson got the beat down just because he was hanging around, and the dockworkers/gang operation wanted to scare the coppers away and prove they own the docks. I was really surprised at their audacity in this. There must have been so few police that they felt they really could bully the whole constabulary! Unbelievable! There was no conception of the Station Houses gathering together and breaking out their armories? Is there a lot of bribe money to the mayor involved here? Perhaps there is another reason Murdoch wasn't promoted. He would have discovered the ongoing dock corruption like Inspector Brackenreid, and he wouldn't have condoned it. Slorach, on the other hand, is more of a patsy. Oh yeah... He heard a woman in anguish and then tried to investigate. But I suppose it could just be coincidence that they attacked him right then. I'm still not sure Brax actually discovered anything untoward. He might have been close to it though. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 23:52:51 GMT
I don’t believe Giles replaced Stockton. Was that specifically mentioned, because I missed it. Giles was promoted to CC and Brackenreid also shortly after Giles. Were they both to replace Stockton? Giles accepted his own but Brackenreid did not. He claimed it would not only take him out to Ottawa, it would be too boring for him as it was only a desk job. I think the strongest reason he had, which he wouldn’t admit to, is that he knew if he left his position, they would bring someone else to replace him instead of promoting William. He wasn’t having any of that. He is very protective of William. Stockton is more of a politician in Police uniform, a more global/national status whereas, Giles is still more at the regional level. Stockton has his own colleagues, at his level, as does Giles. Stockton might have become Commissioner, a higher position than CC but he did not retire. Stockton acknowledges William’s brilliance and his work as a detective but he can’t exactly take away his brains. There’s nothing he can do about that. The only thing he can do is stop him from advancing beyond the point where he first came to his attention and he is making sure of that. Giles on the other hand knows William is Papist but he wouldn’t let his own personal like or dislike get in the way of doing the right thing. Giles does like William and Brackenreid but you couldn’t tell that just by looking at him especially when you see the way he is with them both. It’s just the way he is and like William said, if he is peeved with them, it’s because they’ve given him reason to. He is not the malicious type or one to bear grudges or discriminate like Stockton. Slorach already set me off settling down to breakfast in the midst of such a horrific scene, right at the beginning. But anyway, that’s moot now that I have gotten over my initial irritation and I am looking forward to pt 2 (just a few hours away – yay!) where I think he will be more useful. I liked pt 1, with or without Slorach and I haven’t given up on Slorach himself yet. Brackenreid said that Constance Gardener chose to walk away and that it was the view of both their superiors. Giles goes on to say that he was now their superior and he found his version of events highly suspect. There is no evidence that Stockton didn't retire, just as there's no evidence he didn't. Don't think they had commissioners back then. Police forces were just in the big cities except for the Northwest Mounted Police and the Chief Constable was as high as you could get, after that there was nowhere to go except politics. Brackenreid was offered a promotion but turned it down as he wouldn't be a policeman any more. I don't think it had anything to do with protecting William. Brackenreid, like William is a copper at heart. Giles doesn't seem to like anyone at SH4, he doesn't trust them because of CG/AM, can't say I blame him. I think William's Catholicism will hold him back with Giles as much as it did with Stockton, Giles is still Anglican in an Anglican city but what will hold him back more is his behaviour where CG/AM is concerned. The only thing Giles will admit where William is concerned is that he's a brilliant detective. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 23:59:26 GMT
I think high political figures are involved if the gang thinks they can get away with beating up constables. I thought the big secret (which wasn't so secret) was an illegal sex ring operation. But I suppose that could just be one branch of the bigger picture. Now I'm wondering if the Black Hand is back in town. I think the only reason the "Doxy" was involved was because the Mrs. Dawkins wanted to be rid of her cheating husband, and he was threatening to sell the shop. Perhaps the Doxy was used to blackmail him first and that's why he called the meeting in the restaurant? To warn the other shop owners of the methods in play? Anyway - I see no evidence of a "sex ring" here. There could be some Black Hand methods in play, though. Perhaps the Harbormaster is member. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 0:01:03 GMT
At the start of The Death of Dr. Ogden, Inspector Brackenreid was releasing Mic O'Shea from jail - that must have been part of his investigation. I think Jackson got the beat down just because he was hanging around, and the dockworkers/gang operation wanted to scare the coppers away and prove they own the docks. I was really surprised at their audacity in this. There must have been so few police that they felt they really could bully the whole constabulary! Unbelievable! There was no conception of the Station Houses gathering together and breaking out their armories? Is there a lot of bribe money to the mayor involved here? Perhaps there is another reason Murdoch wasn't promoted. He would have discovered the ongoing dock corruption like Inspector Brackenreid, and he wouldn't have condoned it. Slorach, on the other hand, is more of a patsy. Oh yeah... He heard a woman in anguish and then tried to investigate. But I suppose it could just be coincidence that they attacked him right then. I'm still not sure Brax actually discovered anything untoward. He might have been close to it though. He probably had a range of minor complaints to choose from. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 13, 2014 0:04:39 GMT
The only thing Giles will admit where William is concerned is that he's a brilliant detective. Giles thinks William is brilliant but lacks moral scruples. (Ha!) |
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but I hope to see her in action in pt 2.
I suppose he may have more Gold than I think.
