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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 3:21:39 GMT
I suspect Emily is seeing her own dark side in Lillian.......)
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I agree with you. I think it falls more into the homo/bisexual domain however. Emily will never be a brick thrower. She can be a radical thinker but she is smart enough to keep her behaviour mostly within social norms. Agree here, too - Emily is a super-perfectionist. She's almost nervous about it. It's giving her those crazy eyes (Wednesday Addams). She won't do anything to risk her career. But secretly it's driving her up a tree that she's Following The Rules, so she has the impulse to conduct some thrilling private life. I guess she's looking for the person who she can safely (without jeopardizing her day job) share that wild streak with?
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 3:23:45 GMT
I always thought he was excessively harsh with Emily, he held her to a higher standard than he did Julia where the morgue was concerned. He was also quite hypocritical at times. When Emily would go into great detail about her findings or how she came by her findings he was quite impatient and dismissive however that's exactly what he always did with the inspector in particular. Exactly! Quite hypocritical! I couldn't put my finger on why that bothered me so much - that's it! William is a great "droner" and perfectionist! Pot calling kettle!
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 3:26:27 GMT
I always thought he was excessively harsh with Emily, he held her to a higher standard than he did Julia where the morgue was concerned. He was also quite hypocritical at times. When Emily would go into great detail about her findings or how she came by her findings he was quite impatient and dismissive however that's exactly what he always did with the inspector in particular. Exactly! Quite hypocritical! I couldn't put my finger on why that bothered me so much - that's it! William is a great "droner" and perfectionist! Pot calling kettle! I noticed it on several occasions and it always bothered me. I haven't noticed it this season but I could be remembering wrong. I think he's eased up where Emily's concerned recently.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 3:30:57 GMT
If Lillian dies as a result of a protest hunger strike in prison or from forced feeding, she will have to leave Canada first and go to England, as that didn't happen here. Overall, the Canadian Suffragette movement was comparably peaceful, with the Temperance Movement very much involved. They believed they could only achieve temperance with women voting.........I can see her becoming the victim of foul play, though........(looking forward to that....I think she is a very unlikable character.......Emily could do better......I suspect Emily is seeing her own dark side in Lillian.......)
Yes, I believe it would happen in England. MM has a way of soft-selling dark themes like that. So instead of showing the force-feeding themselves, they might give Lillian the opportunity to go with some Women's delegation abroad where she'd get involved with like-minded radicals in England and get tossed in prison. Next thing you know Emily gets a very sad letter, and no one understands why she's taking it like she's lost the love of her life... I agree about Emily seeing her dark side in Lillian. On the flip side, Lillian might see what she could have become had she been allowed to pursue her education and fulfill her dream of being a "modern professional woman" in Emily.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 3:35:54 GMT
Exactly! Quite hypocritical! I couldn't put my finger on why that bothered me so much - that's it! William is a great "droner" and perfectionist! Pot calling kettle! I noticed it on several occasions and it always bothered me. I haven't noticed it this season but I could be remembering wrong. I think he's eased up where Emily's concerned recently. I'm hoping the writers deliberately did it post-marriage, because then that would mean something.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 28, 2015 3:43:46 GMT
Perhaps she is meant to represent radicalism, but she's still a selfish brat who seems incapable of understanding others or even showing them common courtesy. She also acts one way to one's face and talk sh$& about them once they're gone. People are supposed to sympathize with her, but she doesn't have to sympathize with others. She's right, they're wrong. There's no relativity to or respect for others. I see her and think the writers have modeled her on Emmeline Pankhurst. Lillian seems to be talking sh$& right to their face as well as when they are gone - I don't see her as two-faced at all, except for when she was worried about a murder being pinned on her. She has a lot of bottled up anger that's hard to express in the persona of "proper womanhood". I see her original coldness as being hard to read - like William. I need to read more about Pankhurst - was she the one who encouraged breaking the windows of parliament in England which led to the controversy over whether it was "natural" for women to resort to "violence"? She now openly disrespects Julia because she just sees her as a rich woman who will help her cause. She said in her first episode that she takes her friends where she can get them-"friends" being a rather subjective word. She's certainly no friend to Julia and I suspect she uses others as well-in fact, once she tires of Emily or the election is over, she'll probably toss her aside as well. With William, she acts nice and polite and talks sh$& behind his back-I'm sure she's done it in other instances as well. I'm sure we'll see it again with others. We've talked about this before, but I don't think William was ever cold-he was repressed. That is a huge difference. He may have sounded unfeeling but his eyes/facial expressions gave him away every single time. He never disregarded others-buying a gravesite for Eddie, being concerned for the "tennis" club's safety, being concerned about Phillip, or the boxer's widow, and so on. That's just the first season. It goes on. Lilian would never do any of these things, because she's selfish. Or, as I've said, the actress portraying her can't convey that kind of depth. Either way, I hope she's gone soon.
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 3:48:18 GMT
I agree about Emily seeing her dark side in Lillian. On the flip side, Lillian might see what she could have become had she been allowed to pursue her education and fulfill her dream of being a "modern professional woman" in Emily. I wonder though, given her other flaws, if that wouldn't eventually turn to envy.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 4:00:51 GMT
She now openly disrespects Julia because she just sees her as a rich woman who will help her cause. She said in her first episode that she takes her friends where she can get them-"friends" being a rather subjective word. She's certainly no friend to Julia and I suspect she uses others as well-in fact, once she tires of Emily or the election is over, she'll probably toss her aside as well. With William, she acts nice and polite and talks sh$& behind his back-I'm sure she's done it in other instances as well. I'm sure we'll see it again with others. We've talked about this before, but I don't think William was ever cold-he was repressed. That is a huge difference. He may have sounded unfeeling but his eyes/facial expressions gave him away every single time. He never disregarded others-buying a gravesite for Eddie, being concerned for the "tennis" club's safety, being concerned about Phillip, or the boxer's widow, and so on. That's just the first season. It goes on. Lilian would never do any of these things, because she's selfish. Or, as I've said, the actress portraying her can't convey that kind of depth. Either way, I hope she's gone soon. I think she's been on the edge of openly disliking Julia since Julia renounced her candidacy. She blames William for that, so he's being stirred in that same pot. I don't see this as part of a friend-betraying pattern. In this episode, in fact, it was Emily that betrayed Lillian's trust. I'm also trying to read Lillian's eyes, but I'm clearly getting something different than you. You're getting coldness and lack of feeling. I'm getting hauntedness and inner struggle. I don't think we know enough about Lillian to know how she treats people she isn't specifically angry with or in love with (Emily!).
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 4:04:36 GMT
I agree about Emily seeing her dark side in Lillian. On the flip side, Lillian might see what she could have become had she been allowed to pursue her education and fulfill her dream of being a "modern professional woman" in Emily. I wonder though, given her other flaws, if that wouldn't eventually turn to envy. I think envy is part of her anger at Julia. If Lillian does envy Emily it's too mired in her attraction for it to have negative consequences. Lillian even forgave Emily for ratting out her past and making her a suspect in the murder investigation. Only someone in love would forgive anything and everything like that.
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 4:09:20 GMT
I wonder though, given her other flaws, if that wouldn't eventually turn to envy. I think envy is part of her anger at Julia. If Lillian does envy Emily it's too mired in her attraction for it to have negative consequences. Lillian even forgave Emily for ratting out her past and making her a suspect in the murder investigation. Only someone in love would forgive anything and everything like that. I was actually thinking more in the future. If there is a relationship I can see Lillian being fine with Emily's success at first but if she doesn't encounter the same success in whatever it is she's trying to do I can see her failure eating at her especially when Emily is so good and respected at her job.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 4:13:15 GMT
I think envy is part of her anger at Julia. If Lillian does envy Emily it's too mired in her attraction for it to have negative consequences. Lillian even forgave Emily for ratting out her past and making her a suspect in the murder investigation. Only someone in love would forgive anything and everything like that. I was actually thinking more in the future. If there is a relationship I can see Lillian being fine with Emily's success at first but if she doesn't encounter the same success in whatever it is she's trying to do I can see her failure eating at her especially when Emily is so good and respected at her job. Yes, I can see that's possible. Perhaps she will even become a patient of Julia's because Emily becomes worries about Lillian's "anger management" issues.
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Post by snacky on Jan 28, 2015 4:16:09 GMT
Anyone else amusing themselves at the thought of the conversation where Julia clues in William to the Emily/Lillian relationship...?
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 4:16:52 GMT
I'm also trying to read Lillian's eyes, but I'm clearly getting something different than you. You're getting coldness and lack of feeling. I'm getting hauntedness and inner struggle. I don't think we know enough about Lillian to know how she treats people she isn't specifically angry with or in love with (Emily!). Lillian did seem 'somewhat' interested in the dead girl's injuries and I think she almost felt guilty at her death, at least as long as she thought she'd caused it. Unfortunately once it was determined it wasn't the brick I don't think she gave it another thought. This woman is so shallow to the point she skims the surface. I really don't care what the reason behind it is and I too hope she's gone soon. I think PM was stunned at the reaction to LM, perhaps he thought because she was fighting for women's suffrage that we'd all flock to her but it seems our reaction isn't what he was expecting. PM doesn't understand women, explains a lot!
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Post by Hodge on Jan 28, 2015 4:22:07 GMT
Anyone else amusing themselves at the thought of the conversation where Julia clues in William to the Emily/Lillian relationship...? I don't think William is as behind the door as you think. He hasn't seen enough to make the connection but I'm not sure Julia has yet either.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 28, 2015 4:22:10 GMT
I'm also trying to read Lillian's eyes, but I'm clearly getting something different than you. You're getting coldness and lack of feeling. I'm getting hauntedness and inner struggle. I don't think we know enough about Lillian to know how she treats people she isn't specifically angry with or in love with (Emily!). I think PM was stunned at the reaction to LM, perhaps he thought because she was fighting for women's suffrage that we'd all flock to her but it seems our reaction isn't what he was expecting. PM doesn't understand women, explains a lot! This is from a man who thinks a few suffragism mentions equals excellent female characterization, and that married people never have sex or can't be sexy.
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