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Post by carco on Feb 18, 2015 0:21:06 GMT
I loved Brackenreid in this episode. We saw a side to him we haven't seen much of before...less bluster, calmer with more knowledge and experience coming through. He called George, George! Awwwwww. He was right to say something to Emily as soon as he got wind of it...he didn't threaten her or lecture her...just kind of left it to her to decide what her next move would be if anything. Say what? When did he call him George? Near the end? About midway...when he told George the details of why Charlie had moved to Toronto. He was "trying to do the right thing, George."
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Post by carco on Feb 18, 2015 0:25:58 GMT
FB just keeps getting stupider. Now people are thinking Lillian's in cahoots with Leslie for some diabolical purpose which will soon make itself known. They've been saying that since Lillian was first introduced. There are Garland's behind every bush.... .......and Gillies (spit) under every rock!
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 18, 2015 1:40:55 GMT
So just rewatched.
I think that George is "over" Emily so to speak. But I think what she did to him-still hurts-and rightly so. What happened was probably a really harsh punch in the gut.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 2:57:15 GMT
George is "over" Emily so to speak. But I think what she did to him-still hurts-and rightly so. What happened was probably a really harsh punch in the gut. Also, George, being George "The Man", is probably still protective about Emily. He probably keeps a watchful eye, thinking her risk-prone behavior might get her in trouble.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 3:10:28 GMT
Peter Mitchell retweeted one particularly vile tweet I suspect PM is enjoying stirring the pot withis since it gives people stuff to talk about besides the marginalization of women. XD I question how many hardcore Tea Party types were watching MM in the first place. There might be wingnuts hangliding in just to astroturf. If it's just a couple of extreme rightwing comments, I can personally promise the recruitment of several new viewrs I have been cultivating, and who would be particularly attracted by this "Emillian" angle.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 3:20:40 GMT
I forgot to say that sometimes I struggle to like Brackenreid. He's had a horrible attitude to Emily and Julia this season. I really like how Inspector B has been written this season. He has also shown "old corruption" concerning William's career and he took matters into his own hands in On the Waterfront. He is used to the "way things are done", but he is also open minded enough to hire a Catholic and work with women. He is capable of growth - he just has farther to go to reach the modern era. I'd rather see an interesting character than a "good" one.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 3:33:03 GMT
Julia will probably be Emily's only real support when it all comes out, as she's always been gay friendly. hmm, now that I think of it, Julia's defense of gay relationships during Season 1 was extremely passionate - almost defensive. I would speculate that if Emily comes out to Julia, Julia might confess to experimenting herself. Dang, I hope Emillian doesn't end in tears. If Lillian has to part ways, I hope it's to join more radical suffragists in England.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 3:57:59 GMT
I have just watched the ep once so far, and now, after reading all of your comments, I think I have to say this:
I am disappointed in Emily. Yes, I think she was right to say that what she does outside of work is her own business to Brax. Kudos to her for deciding to go corset free. But when she goes to Lillian at the end and Lillian says, "I am not a toy", I think she should have paused there! It looks like this was a brash decision. Yes of course she has been curious and wondering up to now. And she knew what Lillian was hinting at. I just found the action of running to Lillian and kissing her without any preamble too abrupt. It is not a set up for a good outcome. Maybe this is what the writers intend, but it does not make the Emily character look mature enough to handle this kind of relationship at this time. Like many of you, I felt rubbed the wrong way by Lillian up to this episode, so I wonder if we are meant to accept that she won't be around for much longer.
Then I hear that she was listed with the main cast members... I think the makers of this show like to mess with our heads.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 18, 2015 4:30:31 GMT
I have just watched the ep once so far, and now, after reading all of your comments, I think I have to say this: I am disappointed in Emily. Yes, I think she was right to say that what she does outside of work is her own business to Brax. Kudos to her for deciding to go corset free. But when she goes to Lillian at the end and Lillian says, "I am not a toy", I think she should have paused there! It looks like this was a brash decision. Yes of course she has been curious and wondering up to now. And she knew what Lillian was hinting at. I just found the action of running to Lillian and kissing her without any preamble too abrupt. It is not a set up for a good outcome. Maybe this is what the writers intend, but it does not make the Emily character look mature enough to handle this kind of relationship at this time. Like many of you, I felt rubbed the wrong way by Lillian up to this episode, so I wonder if we are meant to accept that she won't be around for much longer. Then I hear that she was listed with the main cast members... I think the makers of this show like to mess with our heads. We KNOW the makers like to mess with our heads! I hope Lillian doesn't end up being a regular cast member. Whilst I didn't mind her in this ep it doesn't mean I like her and want to see more, far from it and I'm hoping she disappears at the end of the season. She's in the last three eps so we know she's not going anywhere just yet but doG forbid she's in next season! I have to admit to feeling some foreboding, something's going to happen by the end of this season. Whilst I'd prefer Lillian to be the victim I'm beginning to wonder....
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Feb 18, 2015 4:32:07 GMT
Julia will probably be Emily's only real support when it all comes out, as she's always been gay friendly. hmm, now that I think of it, Julia's defense of gay relationships during Season 1 was extremely passionate - almost defensive. I would speculate that if Emily comes out to Julia, Julia might confess to experimenting herself. Dang, I hope Emillian doesn't end in tears. If Lillian has to part ways, I hope it's to join more radical suffragists in England. Wouldn't surprise me in the least...I think I had her nonchalantly confess to having been interested in a woman during her Paris honeymoon...she was trying to see if Murdoch had ever been interested in a man like that. It was all Guillaume's fault I think for bringing the topic up. Wonder if we'll ever see that guy again?
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 7:53:21 GMT
I have just watched the ep once so far, and now, after reading all of your comments, I think I have to say this: I am disappointed in Emily. Yes, I think she was right to say that what she does outside of work is her own business to Brax. Kudos to her for deciding to go corset free. But when she goes to Lillian at the end and Lillian says, "I am not a toy", I think she should have paused there! It looks like this was a brash decision. Yes of course she has been curious and wondering up to now. And she knew what Lillian was hinting at. I just found the action of running to Lillian and kissing her without any preamble too abrupt. It is not a set up for a good outcome. Maybe this is what the writers intend, but it does not make the Emily character look mature enough to handle this kind of relationship at this time. Like many of you, I felt rubbed the wrong way by Lillian up to this episode, so I wonder if we are meant to accept that she won't be around for much longer. Then I hear that she was listed with the main cast members... I think the makers of this show like to mess with our heads. Many people felt "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, but I keep chiming in that this was "writer's error" - as in the audience wasn't meant to react SO negatively to Lillian. She was given certain character traits that that crossed badly with events on the show, especially when side characters have to be presented in short-hand. Because I haven't been as "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, I haven't seen her as "meant to be eliminated soon". I've been cheering on the relationship and hoping that it would grow. I wasn't surprised at all that the relationship advanced this week. Emily's confident "attack" on her new relationship makes me think she has had some exposure to such relationships before, or perhaps she has even "experimented" before. She seems to know exactly what she is doing. Anyway, I think if Lillian stops ragging on Julia about being married, she will become more approachable. However, I will repeat one more time that Lillian's position is historically valid for "young intellectual/radical women" of her era who believed that marriage not only enslaved women but had distorted their Darwinian evolution - i.e messing up their EUGENICS! Lillian's attitude is that Julia had the ability to be a woman of independent means, and she should have been a leader and a model of liberation. Instead she "sold out" and reproduced the same old pattern that had been deforming women and MAKING them the "weaker sex". This is where Lillian's rudeness comes from - the need for change and a sense of betrayal from people with the power to lead.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 8:05:51 GMT
hmm, now that I think of it, Julia's defense of gay relationships during Season 1 was extremely passionate - almost defensive. I would speculate that if Emily comes out to Julia, Julia might confess to experimenting herself. Dang, I hope Emillian doesn't end in tears. If Lillian has to part ways, I hope it's to join more radical suffragists in England. Wouldn't surprise me in the least...I think I had her nonchalantly confess to having been interested in a woman during her Paris honeymoon...she was trying to see if Murdoch had ever been interested in a man like that. It was all Guillaume's fault I think for bringing the topic up. Wonder if we'll ever see that guy again? Woot, I totally vote to bring Guillaume back, and I hope he suggests a wife swap just to freak William the hell out! CC, we really do vibe on some stuff, don't we? That whole "we're all animals" speech seemed like Julia doth protest too much. From my historical studies, it seems like it was normal for European women to fool around. They were often penned up together in groups. It wasn't considered sinful, and men didn't object. They found it normal and even hot. There was the Greek model of Sappho to fall back on for lasting relationships. When such behavior did go beyond the pale, people struggled for the language to define why. (Usually it was because one partner was pretending to be a man). Lesbianism was only criminalized around the turn of the 20th century when the emerging field of psychiatry started defining "perversion" as opposed to "normal sexuality". And of course Freud made sexuality a center of psychological "health" in general. At the same time, as I mentioned in another post", the shrinking nuclear family converged with new ideals of "romantic love" - and suddenly the Church found a new raison d'etre - helping insecure people bully others about Family Values! Well, if Emily does maintain her relationship with Lillian, she's going to have to find a way to keep it sequestered from her working life. If it becomes the least distraction at Station House 4, something will have to give.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 8:10:22 GMT
but doG forbid she's in next season! I have to admit to feeling some foreboding, something's going to happen by the end of this season. Whilst I'd prefer Lillian to be the victim I'm beginning to wonder.... That foreboding may be based on half-remembered articles and hints. I'm fairly sure we read and/or heard that there is going to be some sort of disastrous scenario at the end of the season...? MM may be making it a tradition to leave us with a "cliffhanger" of some sort. Lillian still has 3 episodes to grow on you. Maybe you will change your mind.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 18, 2015 8:34:30 GMT
I have just watched the ep once so far, and now, after reading all of your comments, I think I have to say this: I am disappointed in Emily. Yes, I think she was right to say that what she does outside of work is her own business to Brax. Kudos to her for deciding to go corset free. But when she goes to Lillian at the end and Lillian says, "I am not a toy", I think she should have paused there! It looks like this was a brash decision. Yes of course she has been curious and wondering up to now. And she knew what Lillian was hinting at. I just found the action of running to Lillian and kissing her without any preamble too abrupt. It is not a set up for a good outcome. Maybe this is what the writers intend, but it does not make the Emily character look mature enough to handle this kind of relationship at this time. Like many of you, I felt rubbed the wrong way by Lillian up to this episode, so I wonder if we are meant to accept that she won't be around for much longer. Then I hear that she was listed with the main cast members... I think the makers of this show like to mess with our heads. We KNOW the makers like to mess with our heads! I hope Lillian doesn't end up being a regular cast member. Whilst I didn't mind her in this ep it doesn't mean I like her and want to see more, far from it and I'm hoping she disappears at the end of the season. She's in the last three eps so we know she's not going anywhere just yet but doG forbid she's in next season! I have to admit to feeling some foreboding, something's going to happen by the end of this season. Whilst I'd prefer Lillian to be the victim I'm beginning to wonder.... Especially since the show seems to be having some issues with integrating all the characters anyway, I'd rather they not bring another regular in to add to that problem. Agreed that she was more tolerable this ep, but I also don't want to see more of her. Bringing her in as a regular recurring guest star like Ms. B would be fine. I agree that something dramatic is going to happen, and my money is also in Emily/Lillian.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 18, 2015 8:43:10 GMT
So just rewatched. I think that George is "over" Emily so to speak. But I think what she did to him-still hurts-and rightly so. What happened was probably a really harsh punch in the gut. Agreed. I know the phrase "It's not you, it's me" is so cliched, but I do think it's true. When you really care for someone and you do your best for them to reciprocate, and they don't, it's second nature to second guess yourself and reflect where you went wrong. When truthfully, it may just be that they're not ready for a committed relationship, are immature, have issues that existed before you, etc. But that wisdom comes with age and experience, I think.
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