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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 22:11:37 GMT
wasn't calm last night, I was very upset that Hodge was thrown to the plot wolves. MM episode that almost brought me to tears. IMHO the willingness of the MM writers to go for the gut punches is what makes MM great. Otherwise we'd have a nice safe Murder She Wrote update. But dry your tears - it sounds like Hodge shall return. I'm bumming hard about Giles, who is less likely to be seen again.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 22:15:24 GMT
. All his "buddies" moved up in the constabulary or left, and he was left sitting at constable. I'm thinking he was paying penance for what he did, in a way only he and Giles would be aware of. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:31:58 GMT
This looks like an interesting one if they don’t ruin it with fan service. I hope Stockton finally gets his comeuppance and I am sure Brackenreid will be all too happy to hand it to him. Stockton was the Inspector at SH4 when this happened and Giles was the Detective. Could this be the beginning of the “Everyone’s got something to hide” theme they’ve been promoting since summer? Even Brax was around when this person was buried under SH4. Oooooh! Whilst I think Giles knows more than a thing or two about the victim and what happened, I doubt he’ll be involved in the cover-up. The guy is just too rigid to go along with it. Stockton on the other hand is probably neck deep in covering up something like this. Guess again?  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:33:26 GMT
would love to see Stockton get nailed. Too bad he's retired...then maybe HE could get shipped off to Winnipeg! Everyone dislikes Stockton so he will probably be a red herring. I think perhaps Giles contributed in some way, and that guilt made him super righteous later. *slow clap* |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:34:51 GMT
OMG what an episode! I won't put out real spoilers, just teasers. IMO, this was MM at its best: a solid story line with twists and turns that keep you guessing. William develops a new forensic technique. Henry deals well with some important tasks. Dark secrets of several people come to light. Ziggy and Shangas will be happy to know that there's no fan service whatsoever! I can't wait till the whole gang has seen it and is able to comment. No Julia = No fan service.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:36:44 GMT
Amazing and intense episode. It could have been a stage play. Looks like Helene had some time off but there was just no place for her in the story line. Tommy Two Cakes? No Julia in any capacity? This does not bode well for my concerns...she's supposed to be a principal. I thought of you and your concerns when she didn't show up at all.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:47:58 GMT
Giles already knew. I think this is a landmark moment in a couple of ways. When William came back from the Klondike, he wanted to make a full confession. The moral standard which he had set for himself demanded that he be as transparent as glass in his profession. William was only thinking of himself and it took Brackenreid giving him a verbal slap in the head to make him realize that it would also ruin the Inspector, who had really stuck his neck out for him. At this moment, William had to learn to live with his own actions, without the catharsis of confession, for the greater good. He never doubted that what he did was the right thing, although it cost him Julia. And now he had to live with the cost. Now the secret is out. Stockton knew about it too, but I wonder who else already knows? Or will find out? need to re watch to see if there are any clues. William does not have to hide it anymore. Now he has to live with the secret being out, and the possible damage to his reputation from the more conservative types in authority. I wonder how much Julia knows. did they ever have a conversation about this? Sorry for rambling. Now I need to go back to Season 5... Yes, Giles knew that Murdoch let her go he just had not proof. I don't know that the secret is public knowledge. Stockton knows but he is in his own little world, so it will only get out if Giles says something about it, and I don't think he will because he is married and the exact nature of the scandal will be kept quiet. It serves nobody's best interests to make the knowledge that Giles is homosexual or that Murdoch let a murderer go free, and everybody involved knows that. I am hoping that this will not be a subject of future angst (sorry Snacky) in the series. I agree that this was a significant episode and yes, we will have to see how it plays out. I have often wondered if William would have told Julia about it or not and that is something to be explored. Julia's known since before the end of S6. When she fights with William she says, "You had a choice. You could have chosen me but you didn't." This heavily implies the other choice was Ava Moon. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 22:51:25 GMT
There's an episode next week Fallenbelle, I think the hiatus might be at half season like last year so 2 more episodes to go before the christmas holidays. Why is there no teaser then?  |
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Post by shangas on Nov 25, 2014 22:52:07 GMT
OK here I am.
I really enjoyed this episode. It was a real thriller. All the nasty businesses of the past being dug up again!! Ooohh!! Very exciting. I felt it was a very cathartic episode. Everyone getting things off their chests. Hodge. Giles. Murdoch. Etc etc.
Now, this is just me being me, and me being a pedantic history buff, but there's a HUGE anachronism in this episode.
The photograph of Giles, Hodge, Brackenried, Stockton, et. al.
There's something in that photograph which isn't correct.
Crabtree says that the photograph was taken in "May, 1881".
All the constables are wearing period uniforms and custodian helmets. Which is correct.
All the constables have whistle-chains on their breast-pockets like the present batch of constables (Higgins, C'tree, Jackson etc).
...Whistles were not officially issued to the police until 1884. And even then, it started in London in 1884. It would've been a year or so before they would've been issued to officers in other parts of the Empire. Before then, officers carried rattles.
Someone in the props department didn't do their research.
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 22:56:12 GMT
William agreed to burden the secret of what he'd done out of loyalty. states to Giles/Slorach that if Brax was guilty murder then he'd face punishment. First, I think Giles changed his tactics several times during the interrogation. He expected the Catholic William to be a bigot. He expected the Scofflaw William to take the hint he was covering up something for the greater good. He expected William to be loyal to Brackenreid and not risk a political error of judgment. I think it confused him at first when William didn't play out his expectations. I don't think any soul saving for William was planned, but it was a fortunate by product of William not backing down from Giles's challenge. Giles is another Lamb - a man who couldn't reconcile different perspectives on moral order. Those men were tied in knots by their failures to integrate multiple points of view. Wait, that sounded Freudian... |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 22:59:58 GMT
There's an episode next week Fallenbelle, Why is there no teaser then? There was no teaser last week (or was it the week before last). There was that book award skit instead. Ran out of steam for teasers? |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 23:03:15 GMT
By the way, Hodge must have other problems if he never advanced beyond desk clerk... I'd noticed that, and thought it rather sad in a way. All his "buddies" moved up in the constabulary or left, and he was left sitting at constable. He made it to sergeant this season. I got the impression from William that Hodge wasn't the sharpest pencil in the box however he seened to be a solid guy that got on with the job. Whilst I'm upset about Hodge I'm more upset about Brian Kaulback, he's such a nice guy and now he's out of a job. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 23:03:18 GMT
This episode... So perfect. I strongly believe there is going to be some fallout from William's confession; the only questions are how and when? HODGE!!!! (T.T) NOOO!! So sad. Gilles being gay, I didn't see coming, but like Fallenbelle, once it was out I wasn't all that surprised. I saw it coming waaay in advance but not the whole Hodge bit at the end. But then again, I think the bad photoshopped pictures of the lads was supposed to foreshadow this outcome. His head wasn't properly attached to his neck. At least, that's what I thought.  I only think his confession will come into play if Ava Moon herself does. I presume she's still at large and was never caught. But what if she gets herself into another situation where the police get involved? |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2014 23:07:54 GMT
There's an episode next week Fallenbelle, I think the hiatus might be at half season like last year so 2 more episodes to go before the christmas holidays. Why is there no teaser then? There was the usual teaser during the credits. It's usually a couple of days before we see more. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzrQZyIILQ&feature=youtu.be |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 25, 2014 23:09:48 GMT
OK here I am. I really enjoyed this episode. It was a real thriller. All the nasty businesses of the past being dug up again!! Ooohh!! Very exciting. I felt it was a very cathartic episode. Everyone getting things off their chests. Hodge. Giles. Murdoch. Etc etc. Now, this is just me being me, and me being a pedantic history buff, but there's a HUGE anachronism in this episode. The photograph of Giles, Hodge, Brackenried, Stockton, et. al. There's something in that photograph which isn't correct. Crabtree says that the photograph was taken in "May, 1881". All the constables are wearing period uniforms and custodian helmets. Which is correct. All the constables have whistle-chains on their breast-pockets like the present batch of constables (Higgins, C'tree, Jackson etc). ...Whistles were not officially issued to the police until 1884. And even then, it started in London in 1884. It would've been a year or so before they would've been issued to officers in other parts of the Empire. Before then, officers carried rattles. Someone in the props department didn't do their research. The real problem with the photo is it looked badly photoshopped. But I seem to be the only one who felt this way. |
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