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Post by snacky on Nov 6, 2014 4:09:06 GMT
I have to update my original post here because someone informed me that the scene below wasn't actually in The Murdoch Trap - it was in the blooper reels though. Having only seen the cut scenes once long ago, and having not seen The Murdoch Trap recently, I just remembered this scene existed and integrated it back into the episode. But wait - that's not to say The Murdoch Trap doesn't do something edgy that you will miss if you blink! When William hits the hanged Julia/skeleton the recording that says "I forgive you, William" breaks. The next loop sounds pretty much like, "I f*cked you, William." I listened to it a few times, and I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. I have my own theory of this episode in that it should be watched as an exercise in Surrealist film. So that hanging Julia/skeleton should be taken as a psychological projection of some sort. Right now I'm going with the idea that this means Julia's death would be the consequences of adultery (or wanting to commit adultery - coveting another man's wife). Anyway...possibly more edgy that the "three sailors" thing. *************** I was going through my old MM Tumblr folder to repost CC's Princess Bride parody, when I came across a post from Bloupine which really underscores how the reading of Murdoch Mysteries is all in the context. It's edgy as you want it to be. Seriously. From The Murdoch Trap:    Source: bloupine.tumblr.com/post/79534181714/maybe-its-better-that-wayBloupine's pithy response: Maybe it's better that way. One of the hashtags: #OH MY GOD THAT WAS IN THE MURDOCH TRAP Yet another reason Emily Landau can go choke on a crumpet. #crumpetgate #appointmenttv #edgyisbetterwhensubtle |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 20:59:21 GMT
List of other moments where Murdoch Mysteries did something surprisingly "edgy": Swinger couple - The Knockdown Julia's Abortion - Shades of Grey Locker room beefcake, lol - Still waters Gay subculture (including honesty about character "political incorrectness") - Til Death Do Us Part (not the only episode with homosexuality) Imagining Julia naked - Houdini Whodunit William's "take her from behind" glance in The Green Muse - way obvious and deliberate. Sadomasochism - The Green Muse Child slavery and sexual abuse - Child's play, Love and Human Remains. (There are a number of episodes that deal with exploitation of class difference, so this probably doesn't even count as "surprising" in context). Dominatrix!Julia in the Cabaret outfit (William's unconscious fantasy) - I, Murdoch Implied threesome - Monsieur Murdoch William encouraged to take a mistress - Monsieur Murdoch Pornography - A Walk on the Wild Side, In the Altogether Inspector Brackenreid beating Gillies in the interrogation room - Murdoch in Toyland Nudist colony with televised nudity - Murdoch au Natural Male villain kisses William - Midnight Train to Kingston Head on Platter - Friday the 13th, 1901 Victim rigged with explosives explodes - Blast of Silence Women sex trafficking at docks - On the Waterfront Police confrontation with gangs - On the Waterfront Police violence vs. female protesters - On the Waterfront Blatant sexual innuendo committed on horseback - Holy Matrimony, Murdoch. There's a ton of innuendo on MM, but this was the cheesiest and comes under the category of a fan wink I think. William's famous perv glance reprise as well as as some blatant innuendo regarding an elongated circumscope - Murdoch Takes Manhattan  This is an off-the-top of my head list. Can you think of other times when you were thrilled that Murdoch Mysteries defied conventional boundaries and "went there"? |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 9, 2014 22:34:19 GMT
In the episode "The Belly Speaker" there was the kid who murdered his brother, and took his place, in the family.
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 22:46:29 GMT
In the episode "The Belly Speaker" there was the kid who murdered his brother, and took his place, in the family. It's also surprising he got away with it. I think in the first season, when MM was still trying to find it's "voice", that ep was checking out whether MM could be something like The X-Files. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 9, 2014 22:48:55 GMT
In the episode "The Belly Speaker" there was the kid who murdered his brother, and took his place, in the family. It's also surprising he got away with it. I think in the first season, when MM was still trying to find it's "voice", that ep was checking out whether MM could be something like The X-Files. Especially with the finale called "That Annoying Red Planet" |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 22:58:01 GMT
It's also surprising he got away with it. I think in the first season, when MM was still trying to find it's "voice", that ep was checking out whether MM could be something like The X-Files. Especially with the finale called "That Annoying Red Planet" Then there was Still Waters, which practically belonged on Showtime's Red Shoe Diaries. It's interesting that there are so many fans of "first season" MM because they were casting their line all over the place. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 23:12:09 GMT
List of other moments where Murdoch Mysteries did something surprisingly "edgy": Julia's Abortion - Shades of Grey Locker room beefcake, lol - Still waters Gay subculture (including honesty about character "political incorrectness") - Til Death Do Us Part (not the only episode with homosexuality) William's "take her from behind" glance in The Green Muse - way obvious and deliberate. Sadomasochism - The Green Muse Child slavery and sexual abuse - Child's play, Love and Human Remains. (There are a number of episodes that deal with exploitation of class difference, so this probably doesn't even count as "surprising" in context). Dominatrix!Julia in the Cabaret outfit (William's unconscious fantasy) - I, Murdoch Implied threesome - Monsieur Murdoch William encouraged to take a mistress - Monsieur Murdoch Pornography - A Walk on the Wild Side, In the Altogether Nudist colony with televised nudity - Murdoch au Natural Male villain kisses William - Midnight Train to Kingston Head on Platter - Friday the 13th, 1901 Victim rigged with explosives explodes - Blast of Silence Women sex trafficking at docks - On the Waterfront Police confrontation with gangs - On the Waterfront Police violence vs. female protesters - On the Waterfront Blatant sexual innuendo committed on horseback - Holy Matrimony, Murdoch. There's a ton of innuendo on MM, but this was the cheesiest and comes under the category of a fan wink I think. This is an off-the-top of my head list. Can you think of other times when you were thrilled that Murdoch Mysteries defied conventional boundaries and "went there"? That "take her from behind" glance in The Green Muse is an absolute classic. Nothing highlighted more how William wasn't necessarily always a buttoned up man of propriety. It also showed that he wasn't an inhuman automaton. I think that's one of my favorite scenes in all of MM. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 23:14:55 GMT
Especially with the finale called "That Annoying Red Planet" Then there was Still Waters, which practically belonged on Showtime's Red Shoe Diaries. It's interesting that there are so many fans of "first season" MM because they were casting their line all over the place. True, but there was a gritty darkness to that first season which was compelling as well. I hope season 8 brings some of that grit back. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 23:57:56 GMT
That "take her from behind" glance in The Green Muse is an absolute classic. Nothing highlighted more how William wasn't necessarily always a buttoned up man of propriety. It also showed that he wasn't an inhuman automaton. I think that's one of my favorite scenes in all of MM. Chalk that under "when Yannick chose to take MM to the next level". It's a great example of how MM can be edgy without the kids necessarily knowing about it though, lol.  Source CC: holy-matrimony-batman.tumblr.com/post/92255892152/real-and-imaginary-inappropriate-looking-were-youI have to agree, that's in my top 10. And not because it's pervy - but because it did instantly add 10 layers of depth (and not necessarily "good" layers) to William. By the way, that one glance has spawned 45 pages of discussion so far: murdochmysteriesfans.proboards.com/post/8797/thread |
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Post by snacky on Nov 10, 2014 0:20:33 GMT
Then there was Still Waters, which practically belonged on Showtime's Red Shoe Diaries. It's interesting that there are so many fans of "first season" MM because they were casting their line all over the place. True, but there was a gritty darkness to that first season which was compelling as well. I hope season 8 brings some of that grit back. Ironically I think a lot of that gritty darkness had to do with the low budget.  Really looking forward to seeing William laying down some law Canadian-style. (That is, without a gun). and teaching Americans a thing or two |
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Post by snacky on Nov 10, 2014 9:18:56 GMT
There's a question of whether MM employs "foul language" or not.
In one comment you will see MM being praised to the skies for keeping it clean for family viewing. (American)
In another comment you will find a question as to whether children should be allowed to view this show. (British)
Apparently the Inspector's "salty" language can go a little past salty from the British POV!
One thing that I find interesting about Inspector Brackenreid's character is that while he resists equal rights for women in general, he does not feel constrained to be extra polite around Julia. Or perhaps he has the impulse to be extra salty around her - a form of dipping her pigtail in the inkwell.
Anyway, I was just noticing how in Body Double, the Inspector goes right for the dirty joke about Julia not finding anything inside the pants.
Anyway, I find how Julia is treated surprising on several levels. First - how well she is respected by some the constabulary, and secondly this "one of the boys" treatment. The cliche would be to either subject her to a lot of prejudice (which people outside of Station House 4 do tend to do) or to treat her as a Victorian Proper Lady.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 10, 2014 14:57:57 GMT
That "take her from behind" glance in The Green Muse is an absolute classic. Nothing highlighted more how William wasn't necessarily always a buttoned up man of propriety. It also showed that he wasn't an inhuman automaton. I think that's one of my favorite scenes in all of MM. Chalk that under "when Yannick chose to take MM to the next level". It's a great example of how MM can be edgy without the kids necessarily knowing about it though, lol. I have to agree, that's in my top 10. And not because it's pervy - but because it did instantly add 10 layers of depth (and not necessarily "good" layers) to William. By the way, that one glance has spawned 45 pages of discussion so far: murdochmysteriesfans.proboards.com/post/8797/threadI quite like those bad layers as they add a delectable complexity to his character. Plus, they're just fun. I think MM has become less subtle in the later seasons, and I miss that. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 10, 2014 16:47:02 GMT
Chalk that under "when Yannick chose to take MM to the next level". It's a great example of how MM can be edgy without the kids necessarily knowing about it though, lol. I have to agree, that's in my top 10. And not because it's pervy - but because it did instantly add 10 layers of depth (and not necessarily "good" layers) to William. By the way, that one glance has spawned 45 pages of discussion so far: murdochmysteriesfans.proboards.com/post/8797/threadI quite like those bad layers as they add a delectable complexity to his character. Plus, they're just fun. I think MM has become less subtle in the later seasons, and I miss that. hmm, yes - I've been trying to put my finger on that. And I was going to lay that at Peter Mitchell's door, except you say he started at Season 4, and he has written some of the "darker episodes". But it does seem the "adorkable" quality has been turned up a bit. It might actually be a byproduct of the (perceived) character development where William goes from asperger's/shy to confident/romantic. If he's not hiding his "self" and sneaking those little looks, then he's "normal", and it's no longer as intriguing for us to figure out what he's trying to cover up. That's also why I like throwing a little angst in the mixed - abnormal psychology is so much more fun (on TV)! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 11, 2014 21:00:38 GMT
When George suggested that William's romantic rival "needn't stay that pretty"...
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Post by snacky on Nov 11, 2014 21:03:17 GMT
Throwing CC's "Journey to the Center of Toronto" innuendo clip vid in here, too.
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