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Post by Lucy on Sept 3, 2009 10:23:23 GMT
Original air date - 7th February 2008
Amos Robinson, who is a professional boxer, is shot at close range. Murdoch is having to solve the murder and clear Fannie Robinson, Amos's wife, of the murder. The blood patterns convinced Murdoch that Fannie was innocent so he looks to those who were present during the fight and he finds several suspects. The fight earlier that night had been rigged for Amos loose and his contract was about to be sold so both the buyers and the sellers would loose money.
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Post by shangas on Dec 4, 2011 12:05:26 GMT
The Knockdown was one of the first (probably 2nd or 3rd) MM episode I ever watched. I loved it for so many reasons.
Like Crabtree having to wear a dress.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 3, 2013 0:06:46 GMT
Or the ferret!
"Cut off access to your sensitive bits!" xD
and the whole incredibly awkward/adorable bit with Julia where Murdoch is insecure about his manliness.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 19, 2014 7:08:52 GMT
Or the ferret! "Cut off access to your sensitive bits!" xD and the whole incredibly awkward/adorable bit with Julia where Murdoch is insecure about his manliness. The scene with the ferret is awesome! Also, loved how uncomfortable William got with the swinging couple....such an innocent! Or the look George and William share when Julia starts going on about what a fine physical specimen Amos was. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 19, 2014 8:02:06 GMT
Or the ferret! "Cut off access to your sensitive bits!" xD and the whole incredibly awkward/adorable bit with Julia where Murdoch is insecure about his manliness. The scene with the ferret is awesome! Also, loved how uncomfortable William got with the swinging couple....such an innocent! Or the look George and William share when Julia starts going on about what a fine physical specimen Amos was. I have to rewatch that episode for the ferret!  The swinging couple was awesome - have to include that in my list of MM "edgy moments". Things like that make me wonder if MM actually got more conservative over the years... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 19, 2014 10:27:09 GMT
The scene with the ferret is awesome! Also, loved how uncomfortable William got with the swinging couple....such an innocent! Or the look George and William share when Julia starts going on about what a fine physical specimen Amos was. I have to rewatch that episode for the ferret! The swinging couple was awesome - have to include that in my list of MM "edgy moments". Things like that make me wonder if MM actually got more conservative over the years... I think it has definitely gotten more conservative over the years. The easy explanation would be the move to CBC, but did it start to become softer before that? I think it may have, but I don't know that I can easily pinpoint it... Was it the change to Peter Mitchell? I don't think so because he's directed some of the edgier episodes...but... Like I said, I'm having trouble identifying an exact event/episode. Is it just me, or did William's voice go up an octave when the ferret was running up his pant leg? I mean it's understandable, but it's interesting to see calm and collected William have a bit of a panic (even if it was minor). It's also probably why it's become more popular over the years as well-as much as I hate to admit it. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 19, 2014 15:06:36 GMT
a I have to rewatch that episode for the ferret! The swinging couple was awesome - have to include that in my list of MM "edgy moments". Things like that make me wonder if MM actually got more conservative over the years... I think it has definitely gotten more conservative over the years. The easy explanation would be the move to CBC, but did it start to become softer before that? I think it may have, but I don't know that I can easily pinpoint it... Was it the change to Peter Mitchell? I don't think so because he's directed some of the edgier episodes...but... Like I said, I'm having trouble identifying an exact event/episode. Is it just me, or did William's voice go up an octave when the ferret was running up his pant leg? I mean it's understandable, but it's interesting to see calm and collected William have a bit of a panic (even if it was minor). It's also probably why it's become more popular over the years as well-as much as I hate to admit it. Yup, that's pretty much the only way to explain the anomaly of the show getting more and more popular as the years go by...it's becoming increasingly mainstream and almost a parody of itself with its primary goal being getting the laugh at whatever cost.  |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 19, 2014 16:50:37 GMT
I have to rewatch that episode for the ferret! The swinging couple was awesome - have to include that in my list of MM "edgy moments". Things like that make me wonder if MM actually got more conservative over the years... I think it has definitely gotten more conservative over the years. The easy explanation would be the move to CBC, but did it start to become softer before that? I think it may have, but I don't know that I can easily pinpoint it... Was it the change to Peter Mitchell? I don't think so because he's directed some of the edgier episodes...but... Like I said, I'm having trouble identifying an exact event/episode. Is it just me, or did William's voice go up an octave when the ferret was running up his pant leg? I mean it's understandable, but it's interesting to see calm and collected William have a bit of a panic (even if it was minor). It's also probably why it's become more popular over the years as well-as much as I hate to admit it. No offense but why does everyone always think the move to CBC tamed MM?? If anyone's seen Strange Empire you'll know that CBC isn't the reason for tameness. SE has had a woman pretending to be a man turning a woman on when she didn't know the other was a woman, fairly explicit sex scenes in almost every episode and quite a bit of violence. Now the time slot is different so maybe what we really want is MM in a later time slot so we can have more edginess....  ? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 19, 2014 17:09:26 GMT
I think it has definitely gotten more conservative over the years. The easy explanation would be the move to CBC, but did it start to become softer before that? I think it may have, but I don't know that I can easily pinpoint it... Was it the change to Peter Mitchell? I don't think so because he's directed some of the edgier episodes...but... Like I said, I'm having trouble identifying an exact event/episode. Is it just me, or did William's voice go up an octave when the ferret was running up his pant leg? I mean it's understandable, but it's interesting to see calm and collected William have a bit of a panic (even if it was minor). It's also probably why it's become more popular over the years as well-as much as I hate to admit it. No offense but why does everyone always think the move to CBC tamed MM?? If anyone's seen Strange Empire you'll know that CBC isn't the reason for tameness. SE has had a woman pretending to be a man turning a woman on when she didn't know the other was a woman, fairly explicit sex scenes in almost every episode and quite a bit of violence. Now the time slot is different so maybe what we really want is MM in a later time slot so we can have more edginess.... ? That's my question-I'm not sure that it did. Was the show becoming softer before that? I'm having trouble pinpointing the time-was it a very gradual change-which is why we're having trouble to identify it? When did Mitchell come on board-season 4 or 5? This is my question. But Strange Empire is also struggling, no? Did MM become softer to attain greater commercial success? Is the time slot a factor? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 19, 2014 17:53:11 GMT
No offense but why does everyone always think the move to CBC tamed MM?? If anyone's seen Strange Empire you'll know that CBC isn't the reason for tameness. SE has had a woman pretending to be a man turning a woman on when she didn't know the other was a woman, fairly explicit sex scenes in almost every episode and quite a bit of violence. Now the time slot is different so maybe what we really want is MM in a later time slot so we can have more edginess.... ? That's my question-I'm not sure that it did. Was the show becoming softer before that? I'm having trouble pinpointing the time-was it a very gradual change-which is why we're having trouble to identify it? When did Mitchell come on board-season 4 or 5? This is my question. But Strange Empire is also struggling, no? Did MM become softer to attain greater commercial success? Is the time slot a factor? I'm pretty sure he became the showrunner in S4...so I don't think 'the change' has anything to do with him. I think I've noticed it getting softer since S7...or at least all the playful Jilliam is making me think that. Well, I haven't liked the show as much since S6...so that's why I would say it's CBC's fault. But maybe I'd just started to get tired of it by then? I generally get bored with shows after the fifth season. Well, if the tv-eh poll is any indication, SE won't be seeing another Christmas....then again, Mr. D is pretty low on the poll and it's been around for multiple years. |
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Post by ziggy on Dec 19, 2014 22:23:19 GMT
That's my question-I'm not sure that it did. Was the show becoming softer before that? I'm having trouble pinpointing the time-was it a very gradual change-which is why we're having trouble to identify it? When did Mitchell come on board-season 4 or 5? This is my question. But Strange Empire is also struggling, no? Did MM become softer to attain greater commercial success? Is the time slot a factor? I'm pretty sure he became the showrunner in S4...so I don't think 'the change' has anything to do with him. I think I've noticed it getting softer since S7...or at least all the playful Jilliam is making me think that. Well, I haven't liked the show as much since S6...so that's why I would say it's CBC's fault. But maybe I'd just started to get tired of it by then? I generally get bored with shows after the fifth season. Well, if the tv-eh poll is any indication, SE won't be seeing another Christmas....then again, Mr. D is pretty low on the poll and it's been around for multiple years. I think it’s a combination of all these things. There was a distinct change from S6 which really began to show in S7. I’m not sure when Mitchell came on the scene but he does have a voice at the table. CBC happened to take over affairs in S6 and as such were involved in what went on. That’s not to say they were the ones that made the changes. Everyone had something they wanted. I remember Yannick saying in an interview at the end of S5, I think, that things were going to change from what MM had been up until that point and the interviewer asking if it was a wise move to change the show so much. Yannick had said well, it was the belief that it was what the fans wanted. One of the changes then was to bring Julia forward to work frontline with William solving the cases. Helene had said it would give Julia more flexibility to work “side by side” with William. Julia couldn’t really do that from the morgue so the process began to move her from there. MM got softer as the focus was moved to the characters. I think it was a conscious effort to change things and it wasn’t just something that drifted unintended. I think they genuinely thought they were doing what the fans wanted. So from that point of view, the fans also have a lot to do with the direction of the show  . The politics behind the scenes also would play a big role. CBC will take a lot of flack for whatever happens with the show simply because they are in charge at the moment, not necessarily because it is their fault, just like they will take the accolades for whatever good comes out of the show. It’s just one of those things and I think they are aware of that. Can’t say much about SE as I really don’t watch anything on TV other than MM. |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 19, 2014 22:59:16 GMT
That's my question-I'm not sure that it did. Was the show becoming softer before that? I'm having trouble pinpointing the time-was it a very gradual change-which is why we're having trouble to identify it? When did Mitchell come on board-season 4 or 5? This is my question. But Strange Empire is also struggling, no? Did MM become softer to attain greater commercial success? Is the time slot a factor? I'm pretty sure he became the showrunner in S4...so I don't think 'the change' has anything to do with him. I think I've noticed it getting softer since S7...or at least all the playful Jilliam is making me think that. Well, I haven't liked the show as much since S6...so that's why I would say it's CBC's fault. But maybe I'd just started to get tired of it by then? I generally get bored with shows after the fifth season. Well, if the tv-eh poll is any indication, SE won't be seeing another Christmas....then again, Mr. D is pretty low on the poll and it's been around for multiple years. I thought PM came on board in S5. SE hasn't exactly enthralled me. I was willing to give it a chance and will stick it out to the end of the season but it certainly hasn't been the success that CBC was hoping for. I can never quite put my finger on why it isn't working other than I feel like the writers have ADHD, the scenes are too short and jump around a lot. If they don't actually do that it certainly feels like they do. The acting isn't up to par either in my opinion. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 19, 2014 23:14:55 GMT
But didn't the notion that MM was making the swerve to 10% darker indicate that there was some realization that outright fan service is a mistake? It seems like they have made a decision to pull back the "softness", but we haven't seen it play out in the episodes yet. I really hope they front-loaded the season with Disney Murdoch.
I would like to see a return to MM sneaking in REALLY edgy stuff the audience wouldn't expect from the tone MM sets. The swinger couple is a great example. MM rocks the most when we know earnest William is having some conceptual breakthrough.
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Post by snacky on Dec 19, 2014 23:28:53 GMT
I haven't seen SE, but I hate it when jumpy cam is used to approximate reality. This technique was increasingly used in American shows, and I think audiences only watched insofar as those shows were trendy. Thus the decline of American TV. I think we should embrace the box as a medium and allow entertainment to be presented to us in ways that suit that medium. People will say "wow" over abstract art, but they will sit down and get comfortable in front of a picture of something. A classic, conventional painting can still convey edgy subject matter like cannibalism on a raft of shipwreck survivors. I wish TV execs would think that way.
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Post by Hodge on Dec 19, 2014 23:38:50 GMT
I haven't seen SE, but I hate it when jumpy cam is used to approximate reality. This technique was increasingly used in American shows, and I think audiences only watched insofar as those shows were trendy. Thus the decline of American TV. I think we should embrace the box as a medium and allow entertainment to be presented to us in ways that suit that medium. People will say "wow" over abstract art, but they will sit down and get comfortable in front of a picture of something. A classic, conventional painting can still convey edgy subject matter like cannibalism on a raft of shipwreck survivors. I wish TV execs would think that way. I'm not sure I'd call it jumpy cam but the scenes really don't quite seem long enough to make it comfortable (for me), though some scenes are too long! It seems to me they're trying too hard to make an edgy show and the storyline suffers when it's broken up so much. The idea is good, the execution is bad. |
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. The politics behind the scenes also would play a big role. CBC will take a lot of flack for whatever happens with the show simply because they are in charge at the moment, not necessarily because it is their fault, just like they will take the accolades for whatever good comes out of the show. It’s just one of those things and I think they are aware of that.