Julia should have the world's first private CSI lab

[carco]

Mar 31, 2015 16:46:34 GMT Hodge said:

Mar 31, 2015 15:50:52 GMT carco said:

Along those lines ----I was just thinking, could Julia become a Chief Coroner?  Emily could remain as Coroner for the Toronto constabularies but Julia could hold the Office of Chief Coroner? I don't think they're elected officials here, are they? Will have to research that for 1900's. Actually, now that I think about it,pretty sure  I was looking that up last summer. We don't have Medical Examiner's in Ontario but we do have Coroner's inquests. It might pit her against the police (read: Brackenreid/William) occasionally.  

The problem with this is it doesn't make Julia any more relevant to the storylines. How many times would the Coroner be involved in a case?

 Yeah, I guess you're right.... 

[carco]

Mar 31, 2015 18:21:56 GMT lizmc said:

Mar 31, 2015 15:50:52 GMT carco said:

Along those lines ----I was just thinking, could Julia become a Chief Coroner?  Emily could remain as Coroner for the Toronto constabularies but Julia could hold the Office of Chief Coroner? I don't think they're elected officials here, are they? Will have to research that for 1900's. Actually, now that I think about it,pretty sure  I was looking that up last summer. We don't have Medical Examiner's in Ontario but we do have Coroner's inquests. It might pit her against the police (read: Brackenreid/William) occasionally.  

Coroners are appointed through the Ministry of Community Safety.  Who they would have been appointed by in the early 1900s,  I don't know....Government structure has changed and grown unmeasurably........I kind of suspect Julia being a Chief Coroner would have the same issues as her being a profiler.....a Chief Coroner would be involved at the inquest level which would be rather dull television....also the Coroner's Court doesn't deal with criminal cases usually as they'd duplicate what the Criminal Court does.......

I see your point. There's got to be something but, for me, it just keeps coming back to the morgue.   >:DC'mon carco, think outside the box!! (but NOT Buffalo!!)

[carco]

Mar 31, 2015 18:21:56 GMT lizmc said:

Mar 31, 2015 15:50:52 GMT carco said:

Along those lines ----I was just thinking, could Julia become a Chief Coroner?  Emily could remain as Coroner for the Toronto constabularies but Julia could hold the Office of Chief Coroner? I don't think they're elected officials here, are they? Will have to research that for 1900's. Actually, now that I think about it,pretty sure  I was looking that up last summer. We don't have Medical Examiner's in Ontario but we do have Coroner's inquests. It might pit her against the police (read: Brackenreid/William) occasionally.  

Coroners are appointed through the Ministry of Community Safety.  Who they would have been appointed by in the early 1900s,  I don't know....Government structure has changed and grown unmeasurably........I kind of suspect Julia being a Chief Coroner would have the same issues as her being a profiler.....a Chief Coroner would be involved at the inquest level which would be rather dull television....also the Coroner's Court doesn't deal with criminal cases usually as they'd duplicate what the Criminal Court does.......

Interesting info I had bookmarked last year. While I (begrudgingly) accept that it might not be a route for Julia (although I'd have no problem with MM changing "history" to "her-story", so to speak ) , I'm amazed that there were actually 30 coroners in Toronto in 1903!! Link is below (3rd paragraph from the bottom is about 1903)    He had the "power to issue arrest warrants"!!! C'mon folks tell me that wouldn't annoy the %$*# out of Brackenreid!!

Arthur Jukes Johnson

[lizmc]

Mar 31, 2015 22:17:23 GMT carco said:

Mar 31, 2015 18:21:56 GMT lizmc said:

Coroners are appointed through the Ministry of Community Safety.  Who they would have been appointed by in the early 1900s,  I don't know....Government structure has changed and grown unmeasurably........I kind of suspect Julia being a Chief Coroner would have the same issues as her being a profiler.....a Chief Coroner would be involved at the inquest level which would be rather dull television....also the Coroner's Court doesn't deal with criminal cases usually as they'd duplicate what the Criminal Court does.......

Interesting info I had bookmarked last year. While I (begrudgingly) accept that it might not be a route for Julia (although I'd have no problem with MM changing "history" to "her-story", so to speak ) , I'm amazed that there were actually 30 coroners in Toronto in 1903!! Link is below (3rd paragraph from the bottom is about 1903)    He had the "power to issue arrest warrants"!!! C'mon folks tell me that wouldn't annoy the %$*# out of Brackenreid!!

Arthur Jukes Johnson

Very interesting biography.....it would be fun if Murdoch could work him into a programme in season 9......

[snacky]

I like the Chief Coroner idea - especially if William gets some sort of matching promotion!

Also, I don't get why people are so hung up on throwing Julia back in the morgue as the only way to get her working on cases with William again when the title of this thread is..."Julia should have the world's first private CSI lab".

There are already police CSI labs emerging in the world at this time. They are not unheard of or ahistorical. The world is ready for Julia to go into business for herself or perhaps teach a course at the university as well! (The same university that wouldn't accept her as a female student!).

There it is: Julia doing science. Julia working on dead bodies, playing with test tubes and beakers, working closely on cases with William again. Best of all, this is a professional venture and could be construed as a promotion for Julia rather than a demotion to the morgue - which, as Emily's position shows, is sort of an entry level job!!!!

Also, people do not realize they have fanfic imaginations. And those imaginations need to be spent on writing fanfic.

What that means is that the ideas that seem so perfect and romantic in our heads tend to stem from archetypes in the collective unconscious and thus also tend to be rather cliche'd if they are represented to us on screen. Those kisses we swear we want to see over and over again really would be boring after a while if they were just random fan service and not necessary to any plot or new character development. Certain lines and situations become highly cliche'd. I can't stand the "I just want to be held" line at the end of Snakes and Ladders because I've read so much fanfic from several different fandoms that a line like that just makes me want to fall off my chair and go splat on the floor from cliche ennui - I feel almost embarrassed for the writers while listening to it. Though it seems they got away with it because of a relatively older audience that was less immersed in fanfic and thus weren't instantly sick of that line before they even heard it. Another example might be (fanfic writers please take note) saying a kiss, hug, or sexual encounter "felt like coming home".

We think we want to see fan service scenes - but when we actually see them, we realize they are superfluous and detract from the story. We think we want to see happiness and joy, but these things are like flat soda - the fizzy bubbles come from dynamic tension and angst. (Though William might be an exception here: he smiles so little that it may actually count as a dynamic moment of tension when he's happy!). Julia in the morgue is the same thing. We've seen it before: we know we're comfortable with that. But comfort won't pique our interest. Comfort is actually yawn-inducing. MM is best when it takes us out of our comfort zone.

Let's look at the reasons WHY we want Julia back in the morgue - then the options should start to open up.

[carco]

Apr 1, 2015 9:12:40 GMT snacky said:

I like the Chief Coroner idea - especially if William gets some sort of matching promotion!

Also, I don't get why people are so hung up on throwing Julia back in the morgue as the only way to get her working on cases with William again when the title of this thread is..."Julia should have the world's first private CSI lab".

There are already police CSI labs emerging in the world at this time. They are not unheard of or ahistorical. The world is ready for Julia to go into business for herself or perhaps teach a course at the university as well! (The same university that wouldn't accept her as a female student!).

There it is: Julia doing science. Julia working on dead bodies, playing with test tubes and beakers, working closely on cases with William again. Best of all, this is a professional venture and could be construed as a promotion for Julia rather than a demotion to the morgue - which, as Emily's position shows, is sort of an entry level job!!!!

Also, people do not realize they have fanfic imaginations. And those imaginations need to be spent on writing fanfic.

What that means is that the ideas that seem so perfect and romantic in our heads tend to stem from archetypes in the collective unconscious and thus also tend to be rather cliche'd if they are represented to us on screen. Those kisses we swear we want to see over and over again really would be boring after a while if they were just random fan service and not necessary to any plot or new character development. Certain lines and situations become highly cliche'd. I can't stand the "I just want to be held" line at the end of Snakes and Ladders because I've read so much fanfic from several different fandoms that a line like that just makes me want to fall off my chair and go splat on the floor from cliche ennui - I feel almost embarrassed for the writers while listening to it. Though it seems they got away with it because of a relatively older audience that was less immersed in fanfic and thus weren't instantly sick of that line before they even heard it. Another example might be (fanfic writers please take note) saying a kiss, hug, or sexual encounter "felt like coming home".

We think we want to see fan service scenes - but when we actually see them, we realize they are superfluous and detract from the story. We think we want to see happiness and joy, but these things are like flat soda - the fizzy bubbles come from dynamic tension and angst. (Though William might be an exception here: he smiles so little that it may actually count as a dynamic moment of tension when he's happy!). Julia in the morgue is the same thing. We've seen it before: we know we're comfortable with that. But comfort won't pique our interest. Comfort is actually yawn-inducing. MM is best when it takes us out of our comfort zone.

Let's look at the reasons WHY we want Julia back in the morgue - then the options should start to open up.

Whoa! Maybe it's this miserable cold I have that's messing with my head but is there a bit of a rant embedded in that post?  

From my POV we don't necessarily want Julia back in the morgue, I think people might fall back on that because (1) the set is in place and (2) it was the last job she had when she was last an integral part of the investigative team for almost every murder and (3) it's not clear what Emily is going to do.

But with Julia not in the morgue it's clearer to see that Murdoch is so knowledgeable in his own right, that he is capable of performing a good deal of the pathology work himself. He and Julia learned a great deal from one another in the early years. As PM mentioned, same problem with the 'profiler' route....Murdoch wouldn't really learn anything that he hadn't already concluded himself.

And the more I read about the various positions, I can see how putting her into higher/supervisory levels of pathology or coroner's office roles would involve her working more closely with the Courts, rather than the Police Dept.  So there's a bit of a conundrum but I will wait to see what S9 has in store.

[snacky]

Yep you're hearing some rant - probably because I have that same head cold/flu.D:

My ranty triggers:
- deciding "it's time" to end the show for everyone else.
- unexamined sexism or other prejudice or exceedingly poor taste from the writers. Granted, this doesn't happen much on MM.
- fan pressure to insert what will amount to horrendous cliches into the show itself.
-defense of "bad" characters where historically appropriate
This doesn't include episode specific andJilliam rebellion rants...XD