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Post by victoriangentleman on Jan 25, 2015 15:08:32 GMT
Hi all MM fans, as a newbie here, i don,t want to put the cat amongst the pigeons...... but i,m at the end of season 7, and it has occurred to me that old Murdoch gets rather lucky with his cases most of the time. He seems to spend most of the time blaming people who are innocent, then right at the end.... voila!!!! he spots something by accident then nails the cad, or madam. Now, the question is, is he a brilliant detective, or just lucky??? just wanted to know your views on this. Either way, i still love this show. What have you out there?
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 11, 2015 1:52:59 GMT
Hi all MM fans, as a newbie here, i don,t want to put the cat amongst the pigeons...... but i,m at the end of season 7, and it has occurred to me that old Murdoch gets rather lucky with his cases most of the time. He seems to spend most of the time blaming people who are innocent, then right at the end.... voila!!!! he spots something by accident then nails the cad, or madam. Now, the question is, is he a brilliant detective, or just lucky??? just wanted to know your views on this. Either way, i still love this show. What have you out there? William is just bloody brilliant IMO! Sure he follows all the available leads. That is due diligence, but it's his cool gadgets/inventions and incredible recall of minute details that finally heads him down the right path. In all fairness, George has to get a significant degree of credit. He does a ton of legwork, paperwork and fingermark matching. His outside the box thinking also helps knock William onto a path he might otherwise pass by. Julia is also a significant source of critical information. She goes the extra mile because she is interested in the answer and she wants William to succeed. Her role has changed significantly since the end of Season 3 but since she returned in "Upstairs, Downstairs" she stepped right back into working as William's sounding board. So...the short answer to your question is: William is a brilliant detective but he has a fantastic team working with him whose input he notes and respects. |
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Post by murdochsaussiefan on Feb 13, 2015 1:19:58 GMT
Have to totally agree with lovemondays. He has a fantastic team behind him and with their help he solve the crimes. I was thinking when I was reading this and I found that this applies to all my favourite tv shows. In Castle Det Beckett has the help of her team, Castle, Esposito and Ryan and in my other favourite Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries Det Robinson has the help of Miss Fisher, Constable Collins (who is the equal of George) and Miss Fishers team
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Post by snacky on Feb 13, 2015 5:54:01 GMT
Have to totally agree with lovemondays. He has a fantastic team behind him and with their help he solve the crimes. I was thinking when I was reading this and I found that this applies to all my favourite tv shows. In Castle Det Beckett has the help of her team, Castle, Esposito and Ryan and in my other favourite Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries Det Robinson has the help of Miss Fisher, Constable Collins (who is the equal of George) and Miss Fishers team Most of us agree that William doesn't appreciate George nearly enough!  |
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Post by victoriangentleman on Feb 14, 2015 9:39:52 GMT
excllent response there from the MM fans, thank you. He doe indeed hasve a brilliant team. We,ve just had the 99th show aired in UK, asbout bat masterson and butch and sundance..... LOVED IT!!!!! getting ready for the 100th episode next wk.
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Post by snacky on Feb 14, 2015 18:41:41 GMT
excllent response there from the MM fans, thank you. He doe indeed hasve a brilliant team. We,ve just had the 99th show aired in UK, asbout bat masterson and butch and sundance..... LOVED IT!!!!! getting ready for the 100th episode next wk. Are you having a party? I had absinthe and crumpets with blackberry preserves ready! |
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Post by victoriangentleman on Feb 16, 2015 19:18:29 GMT
Well, i work at blists hill victorian town, so i do have victorian clothes which i wear quite frequent.(though i am more in build and looks to Brackenreid) sooooo, i am tempted to watch the show at the wkend and enjoy a glass of whisky and say...... "bloody ell!!!" every 15 mins. I,m trying to persuade my good lady to wear the old sexy victorian dress for later, but she resists my request so......... lol
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Post by bookworm1225 on Feb 16, 2015 19:23:00 GMT
There are a couple other factors at play here:
1) I think that at times, Murdoch deliberately approaches these mysteries with something of an "Everyone is guilty until proven innocent" type of attitude, especially when questioning people, because if they think that he thinks they're guilty, they'll be more likely to give him more information in an effort to prove their innocence.
2) It's a television show. They'd be rather short episodes if he solved the mysteries in the first ten minutes. *grin*
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 0:28:59 GMT
There are a couple other factors at play here: 1) I think that at times, Murdoch deliberately approaches these mysteries with something of an "Everyone is guilty until proven innocent" type of attitude, especially when questioning people, because if they think that he thinks they're guilty, they'll be more likely to give him more information in an effort to prove their innocence. 2) It's a television show. They'd be rather short episodes if he solved the mysteries in the first ten minutes. *grin* I think William once gave George the advice to approach everyone as if they were guilty: it was up to them to prove they were innocent. I bristled at this because that's the opposite of the "innocent until proven guilty" American legal philosophy. I agree with your assessment, and it's probably the interrogation room tactic of a lot of American law enforcement as well. It's probably a good starting point for structuring a TV show plot as well. I still don't like it, though.  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 1:04:26 GMT
Well, i work at blists hill victorian town, so i do have victorian clothes which i wear quite frequent.(though i am more in build and looks to Brackenreid) sooooo, i am tempted to watch the show at the wkend and enjoy a glass of whisky and say...... "bloody ell!!!" every 15 mins. I,m trying to persuade my good lady to wear the old sexy victorian dress for later, but she resists my request so......... lol Dost thou need an avatar to replace the Big Baby? |
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Post by victoriangentleman on Feb 19, 2015 17:46:48 GMT
YES YES YES!!!!!!! i don,t know what to do though. Can snacky help?  Hello there bookworm 1225. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 20, 2015 8:37:10 GMT
YES YES YES!!!!!!! i don,t know what to do though. Can snacky help? Hello there bookworm 1225. I'll make you an avatar if you aren't making your own.  Just request a character/scene/ep. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 20, 2015 17:55:28 GMT
There are a couple other factors at play here: 1) I think that at times, Murdoch deliberately approaches these mysteries with something of an "Everyone is guilty until proven innocent" type of attitude, especially when questioning people, because if they think that he thinks they're guilty, they'll be more likely to give him more information in an effort to prove their innocence. 2) It's a television show. They'd be rather short episodes if he solved the mysteries in the first ten minutes. *grin* I think William once gave George the advice to approach everyone as if they were guilty: it was up to them to prove they were innocent. I bristled at this because that's the opposite of the "innocent until proven guilty" American legal philosophy. I agree with your assessment, and it's probably the interrogation room tactic of a lot of American law enforcement as well. It's probably a good starting point for structuring a TV show plot as well. I still don't like it, though. We're talking of Victorian/Edwardian times here whilst we know they have habeas corpus (Blood & Circuses/Back & to the Left) we don't know if they have 'innocent until proven guilty' - at least in Murdoch's world. It seems in the other stationhouses guilty until proven innocent seems to be the way, why would SH4 be any different? |
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Hello there bookworm 1225. 
Just request a character/scene/ep.