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Post by LaurenMurdoch on May 31, 2015 6:12:18 GMT
I don't like Lillian because she seems to have a different personality in each episode and is not right for Emily at all. I'm not against their relationship but I definitely do not ship them and wish Lillian would die or move to England already.
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2015 7:18:57 GMT
'in your face' about it which at times comes off as rude and arrogant. I also feel she is borderline extremist. I'm not so sure she would hesitate to use some violence to get her point across and proceed to say that it was justified. This is how Lillian comes across to many people, and that's the reason most people on this forum give for wanting to see Lillian on a boat for England sooner rather than later. While I saw those same traits in Lillian, they didn't alienate me for these reasons: 1) I felt her personality was historically accurate for the younger, more radical generation of the suffrage movement. Coincidentally, the Lillian/Julia juxtaposition fit will with conflict among different approaches to protests and political movements that were going on in the US right now. So that's also why Lillian's character struck me as authentic. I could have walked into a corner coffee shop and heard "Lillian" arguing about whether property owners were going to be alienated by marchers failing to control vandals and asserting "diversity of tactics". 2) I feel male characters in historical dramas are given more liberty to be nasty, rude, badass, and sullen...and the worse they are, the more they get psychoanalyzed and "understood" by female viewers. It takes more work to accept an unpleasant female character, but I was determined to do it. 3) MM was snubbed for not being "edgy" by multiple reviewers earlier in the season: the sapphist relationship showed how MM could be edgy within it's own format in style (noir charmante, hehe  ). I wanted to support that as much as I could. |
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Post by tanhere on May 31, 2015 18:25:37 GMT
'in your face' about it which at times comes off as rude and arrogant. I also feel she is borderline extremist. I'm not so sure she would hesitate to use some violence to get her point across and proceed to say that it was justified. This is how Lillian comes across to many people, and that's the reason most people on this forum give for wanting to see Lillian on a boat for England sooner rather than later. While I saw those same traits in Lillian, they didn't alienate me for these reasons: 1) I felt her personality was historically accurate for the younger, more radical generation of the suffrage movement. Coincidentally, the Lillian/Julia juxtaposition fit will with conflict among different approaches to protests and political movements that were going on in the US right now. So that's also why Lillian's character struck me as authentic. I could have walked into a corner coffee shop and heard "Lillian" arguing about whether property owners were going to be alienated by marchers failing to control vandals and asserting "diversity of tactics". 2) I feel male characters in historical dramas are given more liberty to be nasty, rude, badass, and sullen...and the worse they are, the more they get psychoanalyzed and "understood" by female viewers. It takes more work to accept an unpleasant female character, but I was determined to do it. 3) MM was snubbed for not being "edgy" by multiple reviewers earlier in the season: the sapphist relationship showed how MM could be edgy within it's own format in style (noir charmante, hehe ). I wanted to support that as much as I could. Those are all valid reasons, Snacky! Like I said in an earlier post, she has grown on me or I should say 'has grown more tolerable'. The character does seem very accurate to those times. The actress, Sara Mitich plays her wonderfully and as much as it pains me to say it, as I look back I think her character was needed for the show. And to be honest, if Lillian had have come on the show and interacted with someone other than Emily, I would have really liked her. For me, its that just like William and Julia lovers, I shipped Emily and George and Lillian coming in dashed those hopes. haha I don't mind if she sticks around longer, but I will always love me some 'Grabtree'. |
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Post by kellynch on Jun 11, 2015 14:30:52 GMT
I think Lillian goes beyond being a "borderline" extremist. The very fact that she showed little to no remorse about the model's death was, to me, very telling. It makes her appear to be somewhat sociopathic and very unsympathetic.
Also, as has been mentioned before, Emily had this sense of fun and whimsy which has been sucked out of her by being with Lillian. I cannot imagine the 2 of them taking a stroll and discussing pizza delivery options. Lillian is a dour stick-in-the-mud. Edna is a decent person, but she's just not what I've always wanted for George.
I really want George and Emily back together. The journey could be difficult, but I think the end result would be worthwhile.
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Post by snacky on Jun 13, 2015 4:02:19 GMT
I think Lillian goes beyond being a "borderline" extremist. The very fact that she showed little to no remorse about the model's death was, to me, very telling. It makes her appear to be somewhat sociopathic and very unsympathetic. Also, as has been mentioned before, Emily had this sense of fun and whimsy which has been sucked out of her by being with Lillian. I cannot imagine the 2 of them taking a stroll and discussing pizza delivery options. Lillian is a dour stick-in-the-mud. Edna is a decent person, but she's just not what I've always wanted for George. I really want George and Emily back together. The journey could be difficult, but I think the end result would be worthwhile. I have never been in the position of accidentally causing someone's death. But given the potential life-ruining penalties involved, I don't think anyone can be a hundred percent sure they would immediately confess what they had done unless they were in those shoes. It's always easy to judge rather than to suffer the consequences yourself - especially if you feel you don't deserve them. In America most people would get a lawyer before doing anything else. I don't see Emily's sense of fun and whimsy being sucked away. She goes to the equivalent of "rave" parties with Lillian. She certainly seemed to have fun blocking that election with Lillian in ep 17, which I watched just now - and they were going to go drink champagne right afterward (at Lillian's suggestion). Lillian seems to be a party person and where the excitement is - and that's why Emily is drawn to her. |
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Post by kellynch on Jun 23, 2015 20:21:23 GMT
Well then. We're just going to have to agree to disagree because I simply cannot stand Lillian and can't see much to make me change my mind.
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Post by tanhere on Jun 30, 2015 16:03:06 GMT
I think Lillian goes beyond being a "borderline" extremist. The very fact that she showed little to no remorse about the model's death was, to me, very telling. It makes her appear to be somewhat sociopathic and very unsympathetic. Also, as has been mentioned before, Emily had this sense of fun and whimsy which has been sucked out of her by being with Lillian. I cannot imagine the 2 of them taking a stroll and discussing pizza delivery options. Lillian is a dour stick-in-the-mud. Edna is a decent person, but she's just not what I've always wanted for George. I really want George and Emily back together. The journey could be difficult, but I think the end result would be worthwhile. I SO agree with you with everything you mentioned, Kellynch!! |
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Post by demelzabunny on Feb 7, 2016 7:52:31 GMT
Me and all!!!
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Post by syscrash on Oct 17, 2016 9:15:44 GMT
What I see is Julia, Emily and Lilian are from different classes. Julia is from high society. Emily was brought into high society. Lillian is a working girl. She is the same as Emily if Emily had not become a doctor and scored a rich boy friend. Emily and George made a good couple but it would not last. Emily would always have her eye on getting back into high society. That is why Emily and Lilian would not work for long. The difference Lilian has friends that are connected along with Emily's position they could have made head way to where Emily would be happy. Where William is Ok with Julia having wealth and prestige. George would have a problem with Emily making more money then he does. Where William does not have a need to be in charge of the relation. George seemed to always want to be in control. George is the stereotypical male of the time.
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Post by demelzabunny on Oct 18, 2016 3:21:01 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of George: certainly, he is a man of his times, but he seems to be a more forward thinker than many of his peers. I suspect that if he really loved Emily, he could come to terms with her being more successful than he.
Alas, we are never to know. How dare Georgina Reilly leave the show!!! It's too upsetting; I really thought George would eventually get his girl. I would personally have been happier if they'd found another actress to play the character. I hope someone worthy will fill her spot as a love interest for George; he deserves it.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 18, 2016 4:56:02 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of George: certainly, he is a man of his times, but he seems to be a more forward thinker than many of his peers. I suspect that if he really loved Emily, he could come to terms with her being more successful than he. Alas, we are never to know. How dare Georgina Reilly leave the show!!! It's too upsetting; I really thought George would eventually get his girl. I would personally have been happier if they'd found another actress to play the character. I hope someone worthy will fill her spot as a love interest for George; he deserves it. Absolutely not another actress. I hate it when they do that, it's never the same. Actually I wasn't a big fan of Emily, can't put my finger on why but I just couldn't totally warm up to her. I accepted her character as part of the show and I like Georgina Reilly but I wasn't upset when Emily went off to London. If they want to bring her back for an episode I'd also be fine with that as long as it's not permanent. I have to wonder if the reason I was never totally into the character is because she prevented Julia getting back into the morgue where she could work more closely with William. She always felt sidelined as just the psychiatrist. |
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Post by bidenslaptopmatters on Jun 7, 2022 16:24:47 GMT
Dr. Grace was sweet, professional, & very attractive, UNTIL......the producers made a lesbian out of her. What utter rubbish! Plus, I can't stand lillian moss,,,,UGH!!!!!
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). I wanted to support that as much as I could.
