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Post by Lucy on Sept 3, 2009 10:32:24 GMT
Original air date - 28th February 2008
Detective Murdoch ends up investingating his own father, Harry Murdoch, when the body of John Delaney is found not long after the two had argued at the pub. Harry is a drunkard and there is no love lost between the two. He believes his father was responsible to his mother's death. Murdoch is helped by an idiot savant, during his investigation, who is fixated on time. With this, Murdoch builds an accurate timeline of the events, identifying an anomaly that leads to the killer. time line for the crime, finally identifying the anomaly that leads to the killer.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 23, 2012 2:21:44 GMT
"Murdoch, you daft bastard, I'm trying to help you!" oh man, i absolutely love this line! It makes me laugh a ton every time i hear it.  it isn't even meant to be funny but i just find it hysterical for some reason. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 3, 2013 0:37:42 GMT
lol, lol, lol! I came on here to write the same thing I wrote before! Glad to see some things never change!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 29, 2014 19:15:11 GMT
Soooo...just rewetted this episode, and can I say how much I loved it? William and George looking soooo young, George trying to snoop for gossip even then, angsty!William backstory, William doggedly pursuing the truth at great cost, Julia being very sexually suggestive at William by inviting him to appear where she's flashing bosom and ankle while using the word penis and vigorous and smirk at him when he gets uncomfortable. Awww, my poor clueless OTP-adorbs!
Still, anyone else find it strange that Harry can't remember anything while he was drunk, yet remember details when William's mother was injured and knows enough to blame a child? Anyone else find that rather self-serving on his part?
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 19:26:43 GMT
Soooo...just rewetted this episode, and can I say how much I loved it? William and George looking soooo young, George trying to snoop for gossip even then, angsty!William backstory, William doggedly pursuing the truth at great cost, Julia being very sexually suggestive at William by inviting him to appear where she's flashing bosom and ankle while using the word penis and vigorous and smirk at him when he gets uncomfortable. Awww, my poor clueless OTP-adorbs! Still, anyone else find it strange that Harry can't remember anything while he was drunk, yet remember details when William's mother was injured and knows enough to blame a child? Anyone else find that rather self-serving on his part? It could be Harry has a form of dementia resembling Alzheimer's where he can remember things from waaaaaaaaaay far back? The amount of baiting Julia does in this episode really stretched the bounds of Victorian Propriety.  As much as I love filing away this evidence under Jilliam canon, it also bothered me because I did feel it went a bit too far - for a scene that took place outdoors at least. I also felt it was strange that William was apologizing to Julia: he really hadn't been all that rude to her - maybe that was just his excuse to see her. On the other hand, she was embarrassing the heck out of him, and she knew it! I felt this episode was a good example of everyone still trying to find a good direction for their characters. It would take most of Season 1 before they really found their pace.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 29, 2014 19:31:12 GMT
Soooo...just rewetted this episode, and can I say how much I loved it? William and George looking soooo young, George trying to snoop for gossip even then, angsty!William backstory, William doggedly pursuing the truth at great cost, Julia being very sexually suggestive at William by inviting him to appear where she's flashing bosom and ankle while using the word penis and vigorous and smirk at him when he gets uncomfortable. Awww, my poor clueless OTP-adorbs! Still, anyone else find it strange that Harry can't remember anything while he was drunk, yet remember details when William's mother was injured and knows enough to blame a child? Anyone else find that rather self-serving on his part? It could be Harry has a form of dementia resembling Alzheimer's where he can remember things from waaaaaaaaaay far back? The amount of baiting Julia does in this episode really stretched the bounds of Victorian Propriety. As much as I love filing away this evidence under Jilliam canon, it also bothered me because I did feel it went a bit too far - for a scene that took place outdoors at least. I also felt it was strange that William was apologizing to Julia: he really hadn't been all that rude to her - maybe that was just his excuse to see her. On the other hand, she was embarrassing the heck out of him, and she knew it! I felt this episode was a good example of everyone still trying to find a good direction for their characters. It would take most of Season 1 before they really found their pace. Yeah, but he was drunk then. I suppose it's possible, it just seems weird to me. Yeah, it was pretty risqué, but I think Julia was starting to go nuts-I'm sure she was like "what do I have to do to get you to notice meeee"? I'm sure we could come up with a list of things she's done that are rather risqué to get William to make a move before she got tired of waiting and with the help of some Absinthe, finally kissed him herself. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 19:40:00 GMT
Yeah, but he was drunk then. I suppose it's possible, it just seems weird to me. Yeah, it was pretty risqué, but I think Julia was starting to go nuts-I'm sure she was like "what do I have to do to get you to notice meeee"? I'm sure we could come up with a list of things she's done that are rather risqué to get William to make a move before she got tired of waiting and with the help of some Absinthe, finally kissed him herself. I agree: she seemed like a spinster looking for a man at the Last Chance Saloon. And apparently she had been circling around an oblivious William for a long time. And now she's down to talking about vigorous penis action out loud while thrusting breasts in his face. Get a clue, man! lol!!! There is a kind of indirect but overt flirtation that I would classify as Victorian - we see that in the Lillian Moss promo. But in Let Loose the Dogs Julia crosses over into a more direct, crude area that seems very un-Victorian. She can get away with it because she's a doctor. But I think it really only works in the morgue setting. Outside it just seems a little sleazy and not very Victorian to me.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 29, 2014 19:44:15 GMT
Yeah, but he was drunk then. I suppose it's possible, it just seems weird to me. Yeah, it was pretty risqué, but I think Julia was starting to go nuts-I'm sure she was like "what do I have to do to get you to notice meeee"? I'm sure we could come up with a list of things she's done that are rather risqué to get William to make a move before she got tired of waiting and with the help of some Absinthe, finally kissed him herself. I agree: she seemed like a spinster looking for a man at the Last Chance Saloon. And apparently she had been circling around an oblivious William for a long time. And now she's down to talking about vigorous penis action out loud while thrusting breasts in his face. Get a clue, man! lol!!! There is a kind of indirect but overt flirtation that I would classify as Victorian - we see that in the Lillian Moss promo. But in Let Loose the Dogs Julia crosses over into a more direct, crude area that seems very un-Victorian. She can get away with it because she's a doctor. But I think it really only works in the morgue setting. Outside it just seems a little sleazy and not very Victorian to me. She'd done subtle, and our boy was still clueless. It worked because this is obtuse William and driven Julia! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 20:16:16 GMT
I agree: she seemed like a spinster looking for a man at the Last Chance Saloon. And apparently she had been circling around an oblivious William for a long time. And now she's down to talking about vigorous penis action out loud while thrusting breasts in his face. Get a clue, man! lol!!! There is a kind of indirect but overt flirtation that I would classify as Victorian - we see that in the Lillian Moss promo. But in Let Loose the Dogs Julia crosses over into a more direct, crude area that seems very un-Victorian. She can get away with it because she's a doctor. But I think it really only works in the morgue setting. Outside it just seems a little sleazy and not very Victorian to me. She'd done subtle, and our boy was still clueless. It worked because this is obtuse William and driven Julia! As I recall, the only thing that worked was getting him drunk as a skunk! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 21:00:39 GMT
Soooo...just rewetted this episode, and can I say how much I loved it? William and George looking soooo young, George trying to snoop for gossip even then, angsty!William backstory, William doggedly pursuing the truth at great cost, Julia being very sexually suggestive at William by inviting him to appear where she's flashing bosom and ankle while using the word penis and vigorous and smirk at him when he gets uncomfortable. Awww, my poor clueless OTP-adorbs! Still, anyone else find it strange that Harry can't remember anything while he was drunk, yet remember details when William's mother was injured and knows enough to blame a child? Anyone else find that rather self-serving on his part? I watched this episode last night, and yes, William is totally clueless by the look of things. But remember that Liza had died less than a year previous to this. Despite the revelation of Sarah Pensall, in 104, that he really should let go of her and start living again, this is William we are talking about, when he was far more close-minded. In one of the movies, he is shown practicing his dance steps while holding a picture of Liza, which sits regularly at his bedside. He is unable to even think of another woman in a relationship sense for as long as he is convinced that he still loves his dead fiancee. Julia's loose buttons did seem unrealistic for the time. Later on, her outfits are more appropriate. Despite his nasty character, it seems that Harry would have been upset by his wife's death, and would remember the lead up to it vividly. He probably felt guilt over it, which he anesthetized with alcohol. He would have left the kids for the same reason: the inability to cope with what had happened. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 30, 2014 21:05:05 GMT
But remember that Liza had died less than a year previous to this. Despite the revelation of Sarah Pensall, in 104, that he really should let go of her and start living again, this is William we are talking about, when he was far more close-minded. In one of the movies, he is shown practicing his dance steps while holding a picture of Liza, which sits regularly at his bedside. He is unable to even think of another woman in a relationship sense for as long as he is convinced that he still loves his dead fiancee. Julia's loose buttons did seem unrealistic for the time. Later on, her outfits are more appropriate. Despite his nasty character, it seems that Harry would have been upset by his wife's death, and would remember the lead up to it vividly. He probably felt guilt over it, which he anesthetized with alcohol. He would have left the kids for the same reason: the inability to cope with what had happened. If Liza died only a year ago in the TV series, when did she die relative to the movies? lol, that William was trying to learn to dance in the movies, too! I would like to know more about where Harry went after he abandoned the kids. I'm nursing a theory that William feels guilty about leaving to do his own thing at 17, and something went horribly wrong while he was sewing his wild oats... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 21:12:22 GMT
But remember that Liza had died less than a year previous to this. Despite the revelation of Sarah Pensall, in 104, that he really should let go of her and start living again, this is William we are talking about, when he was far more close-minded. In one of the movies, he is shown practicing his dance steps while holding a picture of Liza, which sits regularly at his bedside. He is unable to even think of another woman in a relationship sense for as long as he is convinced that he still loves his dead fiancee. Julia's loose buttons did seem unrealistic for the time. Later on, her outfits are more appropriate. Despite his nasty character, it seems that Harry would have been upset by his wife's death, and would remember the lead up to it vividly. He probably felt guilt over it, which he anesthetized with alcohol. He would have left the kids for the same reason: the inability to cope with what had happened. If Liza died only a year ago in the TV series, when did she die relative to the movies? lol, that William was trying to learn to dance in the movies, too! I would like to know more about where Harry went after he abandoned the kids. I'm nursing a theory that William feels guilty about leaving to do his own thing at 17, and something went horribly wrong while he was sewing his wild oats... Not sure exactly when, but in the first movie, she had died within the previous year. I would have to watch the movie again. When I have more time.. The dance lessons were a big part of the movies. In fact, there is one scene very similar to when Julia joins the dance class in the series, when he places his hand inappropriately. In the movie, it is with a stranger, and she shrieks as his hand ALMOST touches her on the breast. The look of embarrassment on his face is painful. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 30, 2014 21:43:52 GMT
Not sure exactly when, but in the first movie, she had died within the previous year. I would have to watch the movie again. When I have more time.. The dance lessons were a big part of the movies. In fact, there is one scene very similar to when Julia joins the dance class in the series, when he places his hand inappropriately. In the movie, it is with a stranger, and she shrieks as his hand ALMOST touches her on the breast. The look of embarrassment on his face is painful. Why does he take dance lessons in the movie? I can see why he was reluctant when the Inspector gave him tickets to the Dinosaur Ball! |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 30, 2014 21:57:57 GMT
But remember that Liza had died less than a year previous to this. Despite the revelation of Sarah Pensall, in 104, that he really should let go of her and start living again, this is William we are talking about, when he was far more close-minded. In one of the movies, he is shown practicing his dance steps while holding a picture of Liza, which sits regularly at his bedside. He is unable to even think of another woman in a relationship sense for as long as he is convinced that he still loves his dead fiancee. Julia's loose buttons did seem unrealistic for the time. Later on, her outfits are more appropriate. Despite his nasty character, it seems that Harry would have been upset by his wife's death, and would remember the lead up to it vividly. He probably felt guilt over it, which he anesthetized with alcohol. He would have left the kids for the same reason: the inability to cope with what had happened. If Liza died only a year ago in the TV series, when did she die relative to the movies? lol, that William was trying to learn to dance in the movies, too! I would like to know more about where Harry went after he abandoned the kids. I'm nursing a theory that William feels guilty about leaving to do his own thing at 17, and something went horribly wrong while he was sewing his wild oats... I've just started reading the first book again and it starts in 1895, I'm assuming the movies start at the same time too. Interestingly book William is still an acting detective in 1895. Liza died just over a year ago in the show, I believe in the second movie Liza's 'death day' is a year ago and it's still 1895 so she died in 1894. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 30, 2014 21:59:55 GMT
Not sure exactly when, but in the first movie, she had died within the previous year. I would have to watch the movie again. When I have more time.. The dance lessons were a big part of the movies. In fact, there is one scene very similar to when Julia joins the dance class in the series, when he places his hand inappropriately. In the movie, it is with a stranger, and she shrieks as his hand ALMOST touches her on the breast. The look of embarrassment on his face is painful. Why does he take dance lessons in the movie? I can see why he was reluctant when the Inspector gave him tickets to the Dinosaur Ball! I think he took dance lessons in the movies, and the books, to try and meet women. He wasn't as attached to Liza's memory in the books or movies and remember in the books he's hell bent on losing his virginity. |
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As much as I love filing away this evidence under Jilliam canon, it also bothered me because I did feel it went a bit too far - for a scene that took place outdoors at least. 
