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Post by murdochic on Feb 29, 2016 12:08:26 GMT
Giles was corrupt because he helped cover up a death: that qualifies as corrupt. He just wasn't as bad as Stockton and Davis the rest of the time.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 29, 2016 16:30:33 GMT
Giles is essentially a good detective who atoned for his past by, yes being hard, but still making sure he was fair. He was hard on Williams because he saw in him a good policeman, one that would investigate and not just take the easy route. One who was not corrupt. And was disappointed that William was just like the rest when he let Constance Gardner go. He knows that Brackenreid is also a good policeman, one that William has made better. So he was hard on Station House 4 because it was the one station house where he knew they would actually investigate the crime and the one SH he could trust. Stockton was a lazy policeman who only got where he got by having the right handshake. Davis is corrupt, he ran a corrupt station house. I wouldn't be suprised if he blackmailed someone to get the job of CC. Giles was a good man that made a mistake, much like Murdoch with Constance Gardiner. Covering up Hodge's 'accident' was just as bad as Murdoch releasing CG, a killer went free in both scenarios. It was hypocritical of him to condemn Murdoch for basically doing the same thing he did. I don't think Davis would have blackmailed anyone but I suspect cronyism for his promotion. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 1, 2016 1:59:26 GMT
Giles was a good man that made a mistake, much like Murdoch with Constance Gardiner. Covering up Hodge's 'accident' was just as bad as Murdoch releasing CG, a killer went free in both scenarios. It was hypocritical of him to condemn Murdoch for basically doing the same thing he did. I had never put it together quite like that, but you are quite right. That's what made What Lies Buried such a powerful episode. Two honourable men who made choices with significant legal repercussions finally lay it on the line. Giles and Murdoch were equals in every way that mattered. There is no comparison with Davis IMO because neither was essentially corrupt, just made a one-time, bad decision. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 1, 2016 2:24:24 GMT
Giles was a good man that made a mistake, much like Murdoch with Constance Gardiner. Covering up Hodge's 'accident' was just as bad as Murdoch releasing CG, a killer went free in both scenarios. It was hypocritical of him to condemn Murdoch for basically doing the same thing he did. I had never put it together quite like that, but you are quite right. That's what made What Lies Buried such a powerful episode. Two honourable men who made choices with significant legal repercussions finally lay it on the line. Giles and Murdoch were equals in every way that mattered. There is no comparison with Davis IMO because neither was essentially corrupt, just made a one-time, bad decision. Both of you are making good points.....Giles and Murdoch both held each other's secret.......
And there is no evidence of Stockton being corrupt. A bigot in a way that was accepted and common in his time, yes, and probably tired and lazy in his last few years before he retired, while starting to show signs of dementia, but not corrupt.....
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Post by shangas on Mar 2, 2016 0:13:23 GMT
I agree with Liz.
Stockton was a crotchity old bastard, with all the usual prejudices and racist thoughts which doubtless were common durin that age. I wouldn't necessarily call him 'corrupt' though. Perhaps a bit 'past it' but that's about it.
Giles was essentially a good guy, but as has been pointed out - he had a (rather major) fall from grace, and has been trying to atone for it ever since. I don't think this necessarily makes him a bad person - he's smart enough to know when he's screwed up - just not always smart enough to own up about it. Compare what happened in 'What Lies Buried' to the episode where Dr. Ogden almost faces the noose.
Yes, he hounded Murdoch about various things, but as I think we know - that was only because he was himself in a similar situation and knows what it was like - the difference is how the two men handled it. Murdoch handled it well, and he screwed up - and I think he begrudged Murdoch for that - and therefore, went out of his way to make things unpleasant for him. But I still wouldn't call him corrupt.
Davis, by comparison of these two above - is just a complete asshole. He almost goes out of his way to be a dick. In fact I don't think there's an 'almost' in there. We've already seen how he operates his station-house, and we also know that Brackenreid can't stand Davis, even before he became Chief Constable. I'm willing to bet that money changed hands in his bid to become Chief Constable.
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Post by bookworm1225 on Mar 4, 2016 16:16:07 GMT
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Post by Hodge on Mar 4, 2016 16:24:37 GMT
After watching the preview I know why this ep is called Bl**dy H*ll. It's the first thing I said!  |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 5, 2016 0:37:47 GMT
GET THE BUGGER!!!!!!! (It was good to get that out of my system....)
Since they mention the City Board of Control, I hope Alderman Hubbard gets to come back......
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Post by shangas on Mar 5, 2016 3:23:08 GMT
I saw the trailer earlier today. I'm very excited for this episode.
There was speculation that this may be a two-parter. Personally, I consider the earlier episode to be Part I, so if this is Part II, then it would be a three-parter?
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Post by Hodge on Mar 5, 2016 6:42:11 GMT
I saw the trailer earlier today. I'm very excited for this episode. There was speculation that this may be a two-parter. Personally, I consider the earlier episode to be Part I, so if this is Part II, then it would be a three-parter? I don't think there will be a third part to this story as the following ep has a murder in a burlesque club and William and the Inspector go to Buffalo. This is the episode that Michelle Ricci did the emoji tweet for. |
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Post by shangas on Mar 5, 2016 12:32:12 GMT
I expect this episode to be really action-packed then. I'm SUPER looking forward to it!!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 6, 2016 11:32:23 GMT
I saw the trailer earlier today. I'm very excited for this episode. There was speculation that this may be a two-parter. Personally, I consider the earlier episode to be Part I, so if this is Part II, then it would be a three-parter? I don't think there will be a third part to this story as the following ep has a murder in a burlesque club and William and the Inspector go to Buffalo. This is the episode that Michelle Ricci did the emoji tweet for. It's just a hunch, mind you (and I know how you love those), but I suspect this topic may continue and be this season's cliffhanger. Police corruption is just too big of a topic for couple of episodes. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 6, 2016 16:26:33 GMT
I don't think there will be a third part to this story as the following ep has a murder in a burlesque club and William and the Inspector go to Buffalo. This is the episode that Michelle Ricci did the emoji tweet for. It's just a hunch, mind you (and I know how you love those), but I suspect this topic may continue and be this season's cliffhanger. Police corruption is just too big of a topic for couple of episodes. It may be the cliffhanger, though I have another thought on that, but I don't think more than the two episodes will be focused on it. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 8, 2016 1:29:11 GMT
Very satisfying........not completely, but still.....and both Alderman Hubbard and Crown Attorney Gordon are back.......
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Post by molly on Mar 8, 2016 2:02:54 GMT
That was terrific. I was worried and I'm still not convinced that this won't impact the final episode in some way. Are there just 2 left?
Also, is Rebecca still in medical school?
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