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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 11, 2016 10:30:25 GMT
Random thoughts while watching... At least they acknowledged that a debutante ball is hardly the typical soirée Julia would attend and how she might even find it odious. That had been one of my questions... Lol at George giving the lowdown on the "game's players". And William isn't chastising him for the gossip. No, he's listening intently and asking follow up questions. You've come a long way, honey. William tries to act disinterested but quickly reengages Oh, Julia thinks she murdered Eva? Interesting. Oh noes! Did Henry start the fire? Henry! Dead girl was knocked up? Oh snap! Has Julia not been going to work? Oh, young Lady Atherly seems to be there against her will almost... I'm still finding it hard to believe that Lady Atherley and Julia would be friends. If anything, young Lady Atherley would seem a more likely choice. Poor W and J. Still hurting. Dayum. William have you been working out. Seriously, that dude had quite the head start on you...how did you catch him? Henry is officially a douche. And a cockblock. And a bigger douche. Why is he trying to steal George's ladies? Methinks there might be something to the thought that Henry's gay and in love with George. Methinks the Lady Atherly doth protest too much. Also, can someone tell me again why the two of them are friends? Is it just me, or was William particularly feeling the class differences here? Oh, Brax, you still call it like you see it. Bless you, man. William, wake up and smell the scotch. How is it that I want to hug and hit you at the same time. Listen to Brax, man. He does occasionally know of what he speaks. Is it just me, or was Cleopatra at the Star Room a man? Henry certainly seemed to be into him/her... Oh, Brax. Bless you again, man. Always calling it like you see it, even if Julia thinks denial is a river in Egypt. "I must say, I never knew there was so much peril in being rich, young, and white." Oh, it's over. This is the quote of the show right here. I'm liking snarky Rebecca and I'm glad that she's getting some great lines. Oh my, Erma is unhinged. Oh, my.  I don't think she's the murderer though, too much of a red herring, IMO. At least Henry has redeemed himself with trying to be a good friend to George "Higgins, do you have to stare?" "Isn't that the point?" Touche, Henry. Aw, jealous George. Can we just let my poor baby find some happiness? Who's the guy always with Rodney? A friend? Butler/servant/valet? Can he be the butler, 'cuz it's always the butler... That's my money, anyway... No Worsely at the desk.  It's not the same.  Holy shit! Julia's suicidal...wow. I'm not sure that I buy that Julia's crazy, but some form of PTSD, or "haunted" by the whole thing perhaps. Come on, William. It's time for you be a man of action for once...stop being so passive and just letting her do whatever- piss her off if you need to. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 11, 2016 11:39:43 GMT
Here's a question: Is Julia having PTSD or guilt because perhaps she really did kill Eva. Sure everyone thought it was self defense, but what if it wasn't...  |
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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Oct 11, 2016 15:52:02 GMT
I might have to re-watch because the ol' memory isn't working that great LOL. I enjoyed this episode, and I'm glad it's a two-parter. I'm wondering if the bachelor really doesn't want to get married and is offing the debutantes himself, or it could be the bachelor's manservant. Hard to say. I'm terrible at solving the mystery which is why I love murder mysteries so much.
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Post by lizmc on Oct 11, 2016 17:55:52 GMT
Here's a question: Is Julia having PTSD or guilt because perhaps she really did kill Eva. Sure everyone thought it was self defense, but what if it wasn't... I think it is a combination of guilt at causing a death, trauma, survivor's guilt and lingering physical issues which she is still recovering from.....
(I loved the scene where Eva is finishing the drink and it starts coming out of her wound......sick, gory, and very effective.....bet they had fun setting that up......it was even better on the big screen at the Unlocking Murdoch event....)
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2016 5:54:11 GMT
Random thoughts while watching... At least they acknowledged that a debutante ball is hardly the typical soirée Julia would attend and how she might even find it odious. That had been one of my questions... Lol at George giving the lowdown on the "game's players". And William isn't chastising him for the gossip. No, he's listening intently and asking follow up questions. You've come a long way, honey. William tries to act disinterested but quickly reengages Oh, Julia thinks she murdered Eva? Interesting. Oh noes! Did Henry start the fire? Henry! Dead girl was knocked up? Oh snap! Has Julia not been going to work? Oh, young Lady Atherly seems to be there against her will almost... I'm still finding it hard to believe that Lady Atherley and Julia would be friends. If anything, young Lady Atherley would seem a more likely choice. Poor W and J. Still hurting. Dayum. William have you been working out. Seriously, that dude had quite the head start on you...how did you catch him? Henry is officially a douche. And a cockblock. And a bigger douche. Why is he trying to steal George's ladies? Methinks there might be something to the thought that Henry's gay and in love with George. Methinks the Lady Atherly doth protest too much. Also, can someone tell me again why the two of them are friends? Is it just me, or was William particularly feeling the class differences here? Oh, Brax, you still call it like you see it. Bless you, man. William, wake up and smell the scotch. How is it that I want to hug and hit you at the same time. Listen to Brax, man. He does occasionally know of what he speaks. Is it just me, or was Cleopatra at the Star Room a man? Henry certainly seemed to be into him/her... Oh, Brax. Bless you again, man. Always calling it like you see it, even if Julia thinks denial is a river in Egypt. "I must say, I never knew there was so much peril in being rich, young, and white." Oh, it's over. This is the quote of the show right here. I'm liking snarky Rebecca and I'm glad that she's getting some great lines. Oh my, Erma is unhinged. Oh, my. I don't think she's the murderer though, too much of a red herring, IMO. At least Henry has redeemed himself with trying to be a good friend to George "Higgins, do you have to stare?" "Isn't that the point?" Touche, Henry. Aw, jealous George. Can we just let my poor baby find some happiness? Who's the guy always with Rodney? A friend? Butler/servant/valet? Can he be the butler, 'cuz it's always the butler... That's my money, anyway... No Worsely at the desk. It's not the same. Holy shit! Julia's suicidal...wow. I'm not sure that I buy that Julia's crazy, but some form of PTSD, or "haunted" by the whole thing perhaps. Come on, William. It's time for you be a man of action for once...stop being so passive and just letting her do whatever- piss her off if you need to. I have to agree with everything you say here. I suspect that Lady Atherly is a family friend rather than Julia's personal friend. Also I think Rodney's sidekick is a friend as he calls him by his first name. A servant would never call their 'master' by their first name. Interesting though that Rodney calls him by his surname. I think Julia has PTSD and whilst William realizes she's not herself I think he doesn't know how to deal with her in this situation and takes her at her word when she says she's fine. Loved Brax in this ep. |
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Post by shangas on Oct 12, 2016 11:00:50 GMT
I would really like to know why we don't have a Season 10 board yet?
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 12, 2016 11:21:14 GMT
I would really like to know why we don't have a Season 10 board yet? We've been asking. Only moderators can create boards unfortunately, and the only mods are in the UK, whom I suspect are waiting for the UK premiere to come back around. I think we need a mod in Canada, or at least on the same viewing schedule as Canada. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 12, 2016 11:29:27 GMT
Here's a question: Is Julia having PTSD or guilt because perhaps she really did kill Eva. Sure everyone thought it was self defense, but what if it wasn't... I think it is a combination of guilt at causing a death, trauma, survivor's guilt and lingering physical issues which she is still recovering from.....
(I loved the scene where Eva is finishing the drink and it starts coming out of her wound......sick, gory, and very effective.....bet they had fun setting that up......it was even better on the big screen at the Unlocking Murdoch event....)
I think the answer is complicated. I think she went there with enough hatred in her heart to kill Eva. Yes, it was self defense in that they were both in a fight to the death, but perhaps she somewhat premeditated Eva's murder, perhaps even planned it subconsciously because not only did Eva try to kill her, she tried to steal Julia's man, who absolutely belongs to Julia. I could see where she might be struggling with this murder because unlike with Harland Orgill, this was not a split second decision. I must admit, I didn't think it was scotch coming out, I thought her blood was gushing. But then, I wasn't looking too clearly as I'm a bit squeamish. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 12, 2016 11:32:06 GMT
Random thoughts while watching... At least they acknowledged that a debutante ball is hardly the typical soirée Julia would attend and how she might even find it odious. That had been one of my questions... Lol at George giving the lowdown on the "game's players". And William isn't chastising him for the gossip. No, he's listening intently and asking follow up questions. You've come a long way, honey. William tries to act disinterested but quickly reengages Oh, Julia thinks she murdered Eva? Interesting. Oh noes! Did Henry start the fire? Henry! Dead girl was knocked up? Oh snap! Has Julia not been going to work? Oh, young Lady Atherly seems to be there against her will almost... I'm still finding it hard to believe that Lady Atherley and Julia would be friends. If anything, young Lady Atherley would seem a more likely choice. Poor W and J. Still hurting. Dayum. William have you been working out. Seriously, that dude had quite the head start on you...how did you catch him? Henry is officially a douche. And a cockblock. And a bigger douche. Why is he trying to steal George's ladies? Methinks there might be something to the thought that Henry's gay and in love with George. Methinks the Lady Atherly doth protest too much. Also, can someone tell me again why the two of them are friends? Is it just me, or was William particularly feeling the class differences here? Oh, Brax, you still call it like you see it. Bless you, man. William, wake up and smell the scotch. How is it that I want to hug and hit you at the same time. Listen to Brax, man. He does occasionally know of what he speaks. Is it just me, or was Cleopatra at the Star Room a man? Henry certainly seemed to be into him/her... Oh, Brax. Bless you again, man. Always calling it like you see it, even if Julia thinks denial is a river in Egypt. "I must say, I never knew there was so much peril in being rich, young, and white." Oh, it's over. This is the quote of the show right here. I'm liking snarky Rebecca and I'm glad that she's getting some great lines. Oh my, Erma is unhinged. Oh, my. I don't think she's the murderer though, too much of a red herring, IMO. At least Henry has redeemed himself with trying to be a good friend to George "Higgins, do you have to stare?" "Isn't that the point?" Touche, Henry. Aw, jealous George. Can we just let my poor baby find some happiness? Who's the guy always with Rodney? A friend? Butler/servant/valet? Can he be the butler, 'cuz it's always the butler... That's my money, anyway... No Worsely at the desk. It's not the same. Holy shit! Julia's suicidal...wow. I'm not sure that I buy that Julia's crazy, but some form of PTSD, or "haunted" by the whole thing perhaps. Come on, William. It's time for you be a man of action for once...stop being so passive and just letting her do whatever- piss her off if you need to. I have to agree with everything you say here. I suspect that Lady Atherly is a family friend rather than Julia's personal friend. Also I think Rodney's sidekick is a friend as he calls him by his first name. A servant would never call their 'master' by their first name. Interesting though that Rodney calls him by his surname. I think Julia has PTSD and whilst William realizes she's not herself I think he doesn't know how to deal with her in this situation and takes her at her word when she says she's fine. Loved Brax in this ep. Once again Brax and Julia prove what a complicated relationship they have-he was great here! I wonder what he's going to do next episode, because I don't think he'll leave it alone. I agree, I think family friend is a better fit than personal friend. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 12, 2016 16:16:43 GMT
Here's a question: Is Julia having PTSD or guilt because perhaps she really did kill Eva. Sure everyone thought it was self defense, but what if it wasn't... The cast and Peter Mitchell all describe Julia's issue as PTSD (from Unlocking MM at CBC Oct. 1st). Even if Julia didn't know about Worsley's death, she DID know that Eva Pierce had already tried to kill her AND had abducted William, ergo she would not stop until Julia was dead. The line between calculated criminality and psychosis was admittedly blurred in Eva's case but Julia was neither in a position to step back enough to consider it nor would this kind of behaviour be considered anything but criminal at the time IMO. I don't see how Julia would see her actions as anything other than self defense, just as she did with Harlan Orgille. Julia killed them both but it was clearly self defense each time. |
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Post by lizmc on Oct 12, 2016 17:12:52 GMT
Here's a question: Is Julia having PTSD or guilt because perhaps she really did kill Eva. Sure everyone thought it was self defense, but what if it wasn't... The cast and Peter Mitchell all describe Julia's issue as PTSD (from Unlocking MM at CBC Oct. 1st). Even if Julia didn't know about Worsley's death, she DID know that Eva Pierce had already tried to kill her AND had abducted William, ergo she would not stop until Julia was dead. The line between calculated criminality and psychosis was admittedly blurred in Eva's case but Julia was neither in a position to step back enough to consider it nor would this kind of behaviour be considered anything but criminal at the time IMO. I don't see how Julia would see her actions as anything other than self defense, just as she did with Harlan Orgille. Julia killed them both but it was clearly self defense each time. Even today, though, PTSD and the triggers for it are not that well understood, and a person suffering from it can react negatively to what can appear to be completely unrelated circumstances.....I still think that, with Julia, we are looking at a cumulative set of circumstances, not just her part in killing Eva. After all, she was unconscious for more than 24 hours (I think) and the doctor did suggest she may have hit her head as well, so she may also have a brain injury, so the PTSD may be combined with post Concussion syndrome....the woman needs time to heal both mentally and physically, and from something that was completely unknown at the time.
I don't think this can be compared to the killing of Orgille. That was a split second decision that she would have had no time to think about. In the case of Eva, she made a conscious and deliberate decision to go after her, with the intent of killing her. Maybe it is that intent, rather than the actual act which is triggering the PTSD.....I would suspect it has something to do with it......
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2016 17:59:25 GMT
I have to agree with everything you say here. I suspect that Lady Atherly is a family friend rather than Julia's personal friend. Also I think Rodney's sidekick is a friend as he calls him by his first name. A servant would never call their 'master' by their first name. Interesting though that Rodney calls him by his surname. I think Julia has PTSD and whilst William realizes she's not herself I think he doesn't know how to deal with her in this situation and takes her at her word when she says she's fine. Loved Brax in this ep. Once again Brax and Julia prove what a complicated relationship they have-he was great here! I wonder what he's going to do next episode, because I don't think he'll leave it alone. I agree, I think family friend is a better fit than personal friend. I've always liked their complicated relationship. Brax will do anything to keep William happy and working well and if that means putting up with Julia then that's what he'll do. I think he admires her on the quiet whilst not really knowing how to cope with her. I'm hoping Brax doesn't let it drop, at least with William, if he can't get anywhere with Julia. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2016 18:13:51 GMT
I don't think this can be compared to the killing of Orgille. That was a split second decision that she would have had no time to think about. In the case of Eva, she made a conscious and deliberate decision to go after her, with the intent of killing her. Maybe it is that intent, rather than the actual act which is triggering the PTSD.....I would suspect it has something to do with it...... Once again I have to agree. Julia set off with bow, arrows and a knife, clearly there was intent. She also made the first move by shooting EP. Yes, it could possibly be described as self defense as she knew EP wouldn't stop until she was dead, and probably William as well if he didn't live up to Eva's expectations. In the case of Harlan Orgille it was definitely spur of the moment and with a weapon that came to hand. |
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Post by RUTHIE GREEN on Oct 12, 2016 22:42:51 GMT
It will be interesting to see how this all unwinds on the show--they left so many ambiguous things from last season (and from other ones too) Can we say J shot Eva to kill or disable? (J is a good shot--maybe she did hit where she intended to) She would need a distance weapon in her injured condition because hand to hand would disadvantage her, and if she knew Eva had a distance weapon (gun) it just evens the score. IMO she meant to end Eva, or at least that is one way to look at it, but there are other interpretations--just look how we are all speculating!! Nice job on the show writer's part I think. J does not just have PTSD--halllucinations are not sx, but enough stress can produce psychosis--I am thinking the alcohol is self medication & maybe they will come up with an explanation for the visions (side effects of a medication she is taking? (Opiates can do that in some people). She could have seemed to recover and then WHAM the PTSD sx arose (that's why it is "POST" traumatic--some other event couod have sparked them off--a body she work on in the morgue....) She has PTSD Sx before after being buried alive (nightmares) for which she has shock tx. New traumas bring up old ones... Love it all and we'll see what they do...rg
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2016 2:48:38 GMT
It will be interesting to see how this all unwinds on the show--they left so many ambiguous things from last season (and from other ones too) Can we say J shot Eva to kill or disable? (J is a good shot--maybe she did hit where she intended to) She would need a distance weapon in her injured condition because hand to hand would disadvantage her, and if she knew Eva had a distance weapon (gun) it just evens the score. IMO she meant to end Eva, or at least that is one way to look at it, but there are other interpretations--just look how we are all speculating!! Nice job on the show writer's part I think. J does not just have PTSD--halllucinations are not sx, but enough stress can produce psychosis--I am thinking the alcohol is self medication & maybe they will come up with an explanation for the visions (side effects of a medication she is taking? (Opiates can do that in some people). She could have seemed to recover and then WHAM the PTSD sx arose (that's why it is "POST" traumatic--some other event couod have sparked them off--a body she work on in the morgue....) She has PTSD Sx before after being buried alive (nightmares) for which she has shock tx. New traumas bring up old ones... Love it all and we'll see what they do...rg Julia is a good shot but she's been injured and therefore somewhat incapacitated where archery is concerned, perhaps if she'd had a gun she would have killed her on the spot. |
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I don't think she's the murderer though, too much of a red herring, IMO.
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