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[hannikan]

Well, just because he's giving advice and acting older brothery doesn't mean he's older. Younger siblings do that, too. He actually looked younger than William to me. The actor is actually a few months younger than Yannick.
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I always thought Jasper was younger because I thought Harry said he met Jasper's mother after William's mother died. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong and he actually met her prior to meeting William's mother. It would make more sense that way because if he met Jasper's mother later, Jasper would have to be several years younger than William. I could believe he was a few years younger, but like you say not in his twenties. To me, Jasper and William seemed very much the same age, which makes sense given the actors are the same age.

[CosmicCavalcade]

Jun 9, 2013 6:26:34 GMT hannikan said:

^ Yeah, but Lydia was a much harder case to diagnose because she didn't speak at all. He didn't actually know about the condition before meeting Phillip and, if I remember correctly, he didn't know the term idiot savant in Let Loose the Dogs. He just was sympathetic to Phillip because he is a kind and patient man who himself is quiet because he sometimes experiences social anxiety. In the course of being patient with and observant of Phillip, he became aware of his abilities, not only his deficiencies like most people did. The woman who was kind to Phillip, Jess, certainly didn't know any medical info about his condition. But she became aware of his unusual abilities through just caring for him. Phillip taught William about his condition through his patience and kindness. Then, if I remember correctly, William read up about the condition, too. But just because he knew a little about Phillip's type of condition, doesn't mean he would be aware of such a severe case as Lydia had. It looks quite different. So the fact that he was surprised that Lydia had autism (that term, of course, didn't exist yet) as well, isn't strange. It wouldn't have been an intuitive connection.

Okay I will concede that you have some good points there but he did use that term in Let Loose the dogs and he was already informed on the matter.

[CosmicCavalcade]

Jun 9, 2013 6:29:20 GMT hannikan said:

Well, just because he's giving advice and acting older brothery doesn't mean he's older. Younger siblings do that, too. He actually looked younger than William to me. The actor is actually a few months younger than Yannick.
www.imdb.com/name/nm0623604/?ref_=tt_cl_t6
www.imdb.com/name/nm0084370/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

I always thought Jasper was younger because I thought Harry said he met Jasper's mother after William's mother died. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong and he actually met her prior to meeting William's mother. It would make more sense that way because if he met Jasper's mother later, Jasper would have to be several years younger than William. I could believe he was a few years younger, but like you say not in his twenties. To me, Jasper and William seemed very much the same age, which makes sense given the actors are the same age.

That's very true (your first point).

I can't exactly recall either. I just remember Jasper saying that when his father was a young man, he sailed around the coast and met his mother. Glad you agree with the rest of my logic. I was also going by the timeline on FB, in which it says William's mother died when he was 11. If we go by the actor playing young William though, he looks more like 6 or 7 which would also make more sense why he didn't recall what happened correctly. In any case, there is no way that there is that big of an age difference between them unless they just poorly chose the actor who played Jasper, like they did for young William. It is conceivable though I suppose.

[hannikan]

If he met Lydia as a modern-day detective, he'd probably realize she had the same condition as Phillip because the medical community knows so much more about it now. But in those days, I don't think there's any way he'd know the condition was the same based on their behavior. But, he also wasn't surprised when Julia did bring up the idea that she could be an idiot savant. He hadn't thought it of it because he wasn't aware there was a form of it that displayed her characteristics. But Julia had become familiar with that form working at the Children's Hospital. So I don't find that at all strange. Yeah, there's no way that kid was 11. I wonder where they pulled that # from. It's not the writers who maintain the FB page, so I wouldn't go off that anyway. I would say he was 7 or maybe 8, given they were poor so he might have looked a little younger. Alwyn Jones looked about 9 or so, and that actor looked younger yet. Well, Harry actually talks about when he met Jasper's mother and I thought he said he met her after William's mother died. I'll have to watch Anything You Can Do again and see if he says one way or the other.

[CosmicCavalcade]

Apr 25, 2013 3:47:11 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

-Full name: William Henry Murdoch
-Born in Nova Scotia in 1861 (maybe)
-Raised Roman Catholic
-His father was an alcoholic fisherman
-His mother died accidentally when Murdoch was eight. He and his younger sister, Susannah went to lived with their aunt for a few years. Then he moved to New Brunswick and studied with the Jesuits with the intention of becoming a priest. For some unknown reason he decided against this profession and when he met a lumber jack in Montreal who used to be a constable, decided on that profession instead.
-Within 3 years of being a detective he successfully solved 36 cases but only got convictions for 34.
-His first fiance, Liza Milner, died of consumption in 1894. Became engaged to Julia Ogden in 1901 and they married on May 28th, 1902.
-His sister passed away as well in 1898
-From 1885-1902 lived in a boarding house owned by Mrs. Kitchen, located at 22 Ontario Street. Currently living at the Windsor Hotel with his wife. Murdoch has plans to build them a house.
-Favourite pastimes include reading medical and scientific journals, inventing things and raising his eyebrows a lot.
-Loves Paleontology and hopes to go to the Badlands with his family one day.
-Most of the time he is a teetotaller but occasionally indulges in the drink for special occasions. His favourite alcoholic beverage is Spruce Beer. Mmm mmm.
-HATES the taste of coffee and Mrs. Kitchen's cooking, except inexplicably in 1902.
-Has a thing for blondes, but not dumb ones.
-Avid bicyclist. Has good riding and roping skills due to his time on a ranch as a teenager.
-Refuses to use firearms unless absolutely necessary
-Goes to church every Sunday. Well almost every Sunday. Had a bout with a kidney stone once and missed one.
-Used to be terrible at expressing his emotions but is getting better.
-Might have a touch of aspergers.

okay i updated this one (well all of them really). whattaya think?

[snacky]

Nov 20, 2014 6:19:57 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

Apr 25, 2013 3:47:11 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

-Full name: William Henry Murdoch
-Born in Nova Scotia in 1861 (maybe)
-Raised Roman Catholic
-His father was an alcoholic fisherman
-His mother died accidentally when Murdoch was eight. He and his younger sister, Susannah went to lived with their aunt for a few years. Then he moved to New Brunswick and studied with the Jesuits with the intention of becoming a priest. For some unknown reason he decided against this profession and when he met a lumber jack in Montreal who used to be a constable, decided on that profession instead.
-Within 3 years of being a detective he successfully solved 36 cases but only got convictions for 34.
-His first fiance, Liza Milner, died of consumption in 1894. Became engaged to Julia Ogden in 1901 and they married on May 28th, 1902.
-His sister passed away as well in 1898
-From 1885-1902 lived in a boarding house owned by Mrs. Kitchen, located at 22 Ontario Street. Currently living at the Windsor Hotel with his wife. Murdoch has plans to build them a house.
-Favourite pastimes include reading medical and scientific journals, inventing things and raising his eyebrows a lot.
-Loves Paleontology and hopes to go to the Badlands with his family one day.
-Most of the time he is a teetotaller but occasionally indulges in the drink for special occasions. His favourite alcoholic beverage is Spruce Beer. Mmm mmm.
-HATES the taste of coffee and Mrs. Kitchen's cooking, except inexplicably in 1902.
-Has a thing for blondes, but not dumb ones.
-Avid bicyclist. Has good riding and roping skills due to his time on a ranch as a teenager.
-Refuses to use firearms unless absolutely necessary
-Goes to church every Sunday. Well almost every Sunday. Had a bout with a kidney stone once and missed one.
-Used to be terrible at expressing his emotions but is getting better.
-Might have a touch of aspergers.

okay i updated this one (well all of them really). whattaya think?

Windsor House Hotel.
Mrs. Kitchen claims William loves her beef stew (in 1902).
Jasper?
If he did have a touch of aspergers, he's almost completely socialized beyond it now.
Afraid of butterflies! (I know, I'm in denial about that one, too.)

I thought William just went to a school taught by Jesuits: where did the idea that he wanted to become a priest come from? Jesuits run are known for running schools in general. In William's case, I thought it was a quasi-orphanage/boarding school.

[Hodge]

Nov 20, 2014 6:19:57 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

Apr 25, 2013 3:47:11 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

-Full name: William Henry Murdoch
-Born in Nova Scotia in 1861 (maybe)
-Raised Roman Catholic
-His father was an alcoholic fisherman
-His mother died accidentally when Murdoch was eight. He and his younger sister, Susannah went to lived with their aunt for a few years. Then he moved to New Brunswick and studied with the Jesuits with the intention of becoming a priest. For some unknown reason he decided against this profession and when he met a lumber jack in Montreal who used to be a constable, decided on that profession instead.
-Within 3 years of being a detective he successfully solved 36 cases but only got convictions for 34.
-His first fiance, Liza Milner, died of consumption in 1894. Became engaged to Julia Ogden in 1901 and they married on May 28th, 1902.
-His sister passed away as well in 1898
-From 1885-1902 lived in a boarding house owned by Mrs. Kitchen, located at 22 Ontario Street. Currently living at the Windsor Hotel with his wife. Murdoch has plans to build them a house.
-Favourite pastimes include reading medical and scientific journals, inventing things and raising his eyebrows a lot.
-Loves Paleontology and hopes to go to the Badlands with his family one day.
-Most of the time he is a teetotaller but occasionally indulges in the drink for special occasions. His favourite alcoholic beverage is Spruce Beer. Mmm mmm.
-HATES the taste of coffee and Mrs. Kitchen's cooking, except inexplicably in 1902.
-Has a thing for blondes, but not dumb ones.
-Avid bicyclist. Has good riding and roping skills due to his time on a ranch as a teenager.
-Refuses to use firearms unless absolutely necessary
-Goes to church every Sunday. Well almost every Sunday. Had a bout with a kidney stone once and missed one.
-Used to be terrible at expressing his emotions but is getting better.
-Might have a touch of aspergers.

okay i updated this one (well all of them really). whattaya think?

Was it ever mentioned that he was going to be a priest? His friend Eddie was going to go to the seminary but I don't recall it said William was going.

[randomkiwibirds]

Nov 20, 2014 6:36:45 GMT Hodge said:

Nov 20, 2014 6:19:57 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

okay i updated this one (well all of them really). whattaya think?

Was it ever mentioned that he was going to be a priest? His friend Eddie was going to go to the seminary but I don't recall it said William was going.

On the FB timeline it says that instead of going to Seminary school, he went to the logging camp in Montreal instead..... but then thats not completely accurate either.

I'll have to check my notes on the other computer to see if this works with the episodes.

[CosmicCavalcade]

Yeah I probably got the notion from FB...it seems like it fits with his character though.

[Hodge]

Nov 20, 2014 15:12:55 GMT CosmicCavalcade said:

Yeah I probably got the notion from FB...it seems like it fits with his character though.

Nothing was ever mentioned on the show and we know the fb timeline is off so I really don't go off that unless it's been in the show.

[snacky]

Nov 20, 2014 13:43:13 GMT randomkiwibirds said:

Nov 20, 2014 6:36:45 GMT Hodge said:

Was it ever mentioned that he was going to be a priest? His friend Eddie was going to go to the seminary but I don't recall it said William was going.

On the FB timeline it says that instead of going to Seminary school, he went to the logging camp in Montreal instead..... but then thats not completely accurate either.

I'll have to check my notes on the other computer to see if this works with the episodes.

I don't think I trust who made that FB timeline. Some intern? Perhaps they just saw "Jesuits" and assumed that meant a religious seminary instead of the boys schools that Jesuits had been famous for running all over the Europeanized world since the 17th century. Btw, Descartes was one of their most famous little tadpoles, and that probably built their brand for all time to come.

[snacky]

As per Voices, William ran off to become a lumberjack at 17 - basically after "high school".

Susannah went from the Aunt's house to the convent for school at 14 - unclear when she entered the cloister after that.

[randomkiwibirds]

Nov 22, 2014 4:29:35 GMT snacky said:

As per Voices, William ran off to become a lumberjack at 17 - basically after "high school".

Susannah went from the Aunt's house to the convent for school at 14 - unclear when she entered the cloister after that.

Yep I got this down today! When I was looking up information on whether William and Susannah were at their Aunt's house or not, and then left for their various educations.

[Hodge]

Nov 22, 2014 4:37:41 GMT randomkiwibirds said:

Nov 22, 2014 4:29:35 GMT snacky said:

As per Voices, William ran off to become a lumberjack at 17 - basically after "high school".

Susannah went from the Aunt's house to the convent for school at 14 - unclear when she entered the cloister after that.

Yep I got this down today! When I was looking up information on whether William and Susannah were at their Aunt's house or not, and then left for their various educations.

Of course this doesn't tally with what William said in Glass Ceiling when he said he spent two winters at a logging camp where he met a former constable. He made it sound like he came straight to Toronto from the logging camp but he'd have another three years before becoming a constable if he went to logging camp at 17.

He also said he went to the logging camp from Montreal so he must have spent some time there after school.

[snacky]

Nov 22, 2014 4:46:28 GMT Hodge said:

Nov 22, 2014 4:37:41 GMT randomkiwibirds said:

Yep I got this down today! When I was looking up information on whether William and Susannah were at their Aunt's house or not, and then left for their various educations.

Of course this doesn't tally with what William said in Glass Ceiling when he said he spent two winters at a logging camp where he met a former constable. He made it sound like he came straight to Toronto from the logging camp but he'd have another three years before becoming a constable if he went to logging camp at 17.

He also said he went to the logging camp from Montreal so he must have spent some time there after school.

Don't forget he spent some time as a ranch hand. Since logging is seasonal work he could have done a variety of jobs for years.

During Glass Ceiling, he might have undersold the time he was at a logging camp so he would sound less "manual labor" or minimize the time he spent as an aimless youth. Or he meant he was at the logging camp the 2 winters prior to becoming a constable (but a ranch hand before that...and at the logging camp before that). Perhaps it was just too complicated an answer for a concise reply to a job interview question? 

Perhaps at some point William had lied about his age and needed to keep his story consistent.