Plotlines

[Lucy]

This is a very good idea suggested by inspectorrose

If you have a plot that you would like to see in a story but you haven't got the time or just want to suggest it to someone then you can post it here!

[inspectorrose]

Yes! At long last.

To start this thread off, I will put up a couple plots(gen) that I would like to see written.

#1. Murdoch In Toyland AU: What if, instead of going after Julia, Gilles buries Murdoch alive instead?

#2. There is an altercation in the holding cells and Murdoch is taken hostage by a group of rogue constables. 

Any takers?

[MelodyPond101]

Ooh, I like the sound of number 1. I might just be a taker.

Speaking of alt universes, I have a plot idea- what if the roles of Murdoch and Julia were switched in season there's 'The Murdoch Identity'? What if it was Julia who lost her memory and went missing?

[inspectorrose]

Aug 29, 2013 3:34:08 GMT MelodyPond101 said:

Ooh, I like the sound of number 1. I might just be a taker.

Speaking of alt universes, I have a plot idea- what if the roles of Murdoch and Julia were switched in season there's 'The Murdoch Identity'? What if it was Julia who lost her memory and went missing?

Awesome! I'd be super happy if you did take #1....

[MelodyPond101]

I'd have to do some serious rewriting, though.... The whole plot of Murdoch in Toyland is based around James Gillies tormenting Murdoch with the dolls. I suppose he could use the dolls on Julia, but why? As far as I recall, he doesn't have anything against her...

[inspectorrose]

Aug 30, 2013 1:24:45 GMT MelodyPond101 said:

I'd have to do some serious rewriting, though.... The whole plot of Murdoch in Toyland is based around James Gillies tormenting Murdoch with the dolls. I suppose he could use the dolls on Julia, but why? As far as I recall, he doesn't have anything against her...

Well, instead of Julia, he could target Brackenreid or just have a grudge against the entire police force.

[snacky]

This isn't actually a plotline, but I've been thinking of some interesting angles for some shipperfic.

First, I realized that when Julia told William she couldn't have children, she deprived him of his main "come on" line. As a Catholic, nookie is supposed to be about having children. Though William came to terms with marrying for love, I wonder what his "come on" line is now? (I imagine all Julia has to do is call him the "great detective" or make certain insinuations about investigation to turn him on...).

When William was in his bathing suit or shirtless (re: Train to Kingsbridge), I wonder if Julia remembered that she sort of suggested she might be attracted to an "intelligent thug" waaay back in Season One. This kind of reminds me of that episode in Sue Thomas where Jack hurts himself trying to benchpress 300(?) pounds. I wonder what William does for regular exercise (besides all that cycling). There's probably some scientific calculation involved.

William's personality quirks suggests that he's low on dopamine. A good romp in the hay would be self-medicating for that, and might also help with pain relief (after like, say, jumping off a bridge and getting banged up in the river). This is not an excuse to quote Marvin Gaye lyrics, please!!!!! That's not only anachronistic, it's just plain tacky.

Hope these notions will help nurture someone's plot bunnies.

[snacky]

I should remember to start documenting some of the goodies down here before they get lost in the discussion thread.

Some of the recent goodies in the risque category:

1) William discovers Julia's annotated Dracula/Burton's Arabian's Nights/Kama Sutra. In another version of this the book is deliberately bookmarked to tasty sections.

2) In the 40 Year Old Virgin Category: Julia finds William's "Guide to What Women Want" in it's hiding place, wherever that is.

3) Honeymoon stories: Europe, Orient Express, Osaka, America (Julia kidnapped by Indians Native Americans!)

4) William in peril. Julia, Woman of Action to the rescue. Actually this is a vote for the TV show, but if fans can't get satisfaction there, why not in fanfic?

5) Anything happening during sexy time that would involve William feeling obliged to confess. There is quite a lot of interest in how he defines "dark places". Also quite a lot of interest in why Julia's so interested in his tie. Combine the two...?

6) I'm personally a big fan of the angst: William gets ex-communicated, William has a son by a prior relationship (unnerving Julia), etc.

7) Someone in Station House 4 is obviously a Timelord. Conspiracy theory ensues. Cue George.

8) William vs. Sharknado!



I get the feeling I'm leaving one out. What did I miss? Logging camp shenanigans (virgin or not) are already covered in this thread, I believe...)

Aaaand I'll say it again: someday we need a decent web site/archive where we can let these bunnies spawn and run free.

[snacky]

William gets turned on by Julia in drag after Victor/Victorian, followed by hot make-out session, followed by confused/desperate confession to his priest later.

[Fallenbelle]

Also after Victor/Victorian, William shows Julia other things he can do "as a man".

William at confession-feeling guilty at all the fantasies he's been having about Julia. Early in the series-I would argue that he's over the guilt after season 6.

[snacky]

Aug 1, 2014 19:33:03 GMT Fallenbelle said:

Also after Victor/Victorian, William shows Julia other things he can do "as a man".

William at confession-feeling guilty at all the fantasies he's been having about Julia. Early in the series-I would argue that he's over the guilt after season 6.

So you would get off the Did He/Didn't He fence at Victor/Victorian?

The only thing that would make me wonder about that is - referring back to the Jesuit school days - wouldn't that set up a whole complex about whether Julia dressing as a man was THE sexual turn on?

I agree about William getting over any basic guilt - say, sex outside marriage - after Season 6...but I think he'd still go running back to the priest if anything strayed into whatever those posited "dark places" are.

I'm still mystified by that conversation William has with Caroline Hill at the end of the Death of Dr. Ogden: why is he still looking for approval to marry for love? Weren't those mental blocks cleared years ago? Does that have to do with a "dark place" rather than a social barrier?

[Fallenbelle]

Aug 1, 2014 19:55:41 GMT snacky said:

Aug 1, 2014 19:33:03 GMT Fallenbelle said:

Also after Victor/Victorian, William shows Julia other things he can do "as a man".

William at confession-feeling guilty at all the fantasies he's been having about Julia. Early in the series-I would argue that he's over the guilt after season 6.

So you would get off the Did He/Didn't He fence at Victor/Victorian?

Well, that's just it. I first watched season 7 so that I would be up to date with the latest, but now that I've gone back and watched them in order, I'm confused.  The later eps tell me, no, they haven't. Seasons two and three have me imagining them going at it like bunnies. Which would be why Julia was extra frustrated at the lack of a proposal-perhaps she begin to think "why give the milk away for free?".  Meanwhile, was William that clueless? Did he think they could just go on forever like they were without "putting a ring on it"?  Surely by this point, Julia knew him well enough that she was going to have to give him an ultimatum, or at the very least, bait him into a proposal?  

The only thing that would make me wonder about that is - referring back to the Jesuit school days - wouldn't that set up a whole complex about whether Julia dressing as a man was THE sexual turn on?

I wasn't  thinking about it like that.   He likes strong women, and has already fantasized about dominatrix Julia, so I was thinking he'd be turned on by Julia disguised as a man-but not actually a man. That he'd be aroused by the shocking scandal of her in mens clothes, full of confidence and power.  Her arousal at being without corset, and drunk on the liberties of being a man would also be a turn on. I didn't mean to insinuate that he was turned on by men, but that he was specifically turned on by Julia disguised as a man-a key component.  

I agree about William getting over any basic guilt - say, sex outside marriage - after Season 6...but I think he'd still go running back to the priest if anything strayed into whatever those posited "dark places" are.

I'm still mystified by that conversation William has with Caroline Hill at the end of the Death of Dr. Ogden: why is he still looking for approval to marry for love? Weren't those mental blocks cleared years ago? Does that have to do with a "dark place" rather than a social barrier?

I thought it had more to do with setting up the proposal scene-getting William to thinking about marriage, and lifetimes together and such. When William went to the shore, I think he was about to give Julia an ultimatum-"Marry me, or we're done here" sort of thing.  Not William wasn't crazy in love with her-he was. But he wanted the total package, and the fooling around thing that he thought she wanted wasn't going to work for him.  Not being married to her was painful, and if she wasn't interested, he was going to move to the Yukon and have a nervous breakdown, and live the life of a mountain hermit in the wilderness move on with his life. 

William or Julia had come full circle, so to speak. 

But as it turned out, it wasn't necessary. Julia saved him the speech by proposing to him.  

[snacky]

ay caramba, I can't quote the quotes within quotes. >.<

I'm not sure about Season 2 and 3 either. I want to believe they did: I agree, that would add to Julia's frustration if she did feel she "gave the milk away for free", and that's why William was taking his sweet time in proposing.

Season 5, and perhaps Season 6: no. That would be adultery in the Catholic book.

Season 7: William playing hard to get? If they arent, I'm not sure why not. The only reason would be ongoing chastity before marriage, which means they didn't in Season 2-3. In the end I'm not sure. They could be settling for extreme bundling.

If William does get turned on by the cross-dressing, I think he will only be fine with it if other things turn him on as well. For some reason I got the impression that this was the "gateway turn on" before.

Regarding the Mrs. Hill chat - I love your interpretation, but I'm not sure that's what I get out of it. I'll have to watch it again. I wish there had been more crumbs dropped, re: William gathering courage to propose again!

[Fallenbelle]

Aug 1, 2014 21:05:44 GMT snacky said:

ay caramba, I can't quote the quotes within quotes. >.<

I'm not sure about Season 2 and 3 either. I want to believe they did: I agree, that would add to Julia's frustration if she did feel she "gave the milk away for free", and that's why William was taking his sweet time in proposing.

Season 5, and perhaps Season 6: no. That would be adultery in the Catholic book.

Season 7: William playing hard to get? If they arent, I'm not sure why not. The only reason would be ongoing chastity before marriage, which means they didn't in Season 2-3. In the end I'm not sure. They could be settling for extreme bundling.

If William does get turned on by the cross-dressing, I think he will only be fine with it if other things turn him on as well. For some reason I got the impression that this was the "gateway turn on" before.

Regarding the Mrs. Hill chat - I love your interpretation, but I'm not sure that's what I get out of it. I'll have to watch it again. I wish there had been more crumbs dropped, re: William gathering courage to propose again!

Agreed about season 5 and 6. No nookie-that would have been a major no-no for William-although Julia would probably have been okay with it-not an uncommon thing in her social set. 

Season 7: maybe he was playing hard to get? Perhaps he realized his error from season 3, and to show Julia that he was serious, they didn't have sex?  To hammer home to her that he'd learned his lesson, and he respected for and cared more about her than just for her body.

Or perhaps different writers writing a different angle?  

In the proposal scene, he just looks so defeated, like he's been through the wringer too many times, and a bit old. I think William (and Julia too) have had enough of play, and are now looking for the real thing. They're both tired (you can see it on their faces), and hence, William begins his ultimatum spiel, but he doesn't get to finish, because Julia agrees with him 100%. 

Thus, if the writers want to draw out the wedding, I hope they do it in a way that's respectful to the characters, and not so soap-operaish.  

[snacky]

Julia almost looks like a flapper in Season 5! When she talks of her arrangement with Darcy, it almost sounds like he's gay and they've agreed to separate lives. Yep, Julia would have no qualms about sleeping with William now.

I like that idea about William correcting old mistakes after circumstances have changed. Ican totally see that messing with his head!
On looking old - camera has been doing no favors this year, especially out doors. It might be deliberate, bug I agree the effect is crawling over the finish line. I want the prdtty bavk, though!