04. Return of Sherlock Holmes

[barbarama]

In advance sorry about how my message is put together but I know how to reply to one quote by one person but don't know how to integrate several by different people, so someone will have to teach me :/

Now back to reviewing the episode.

From Cosmic Cavalcade: "....also the considerable nod towards Weekend at Bernie's and the scene where George goes into the house and is called back to dig...."

I've never seen "Weekend at Bernie's" so someone will have to tell me what the nod was about and as soon as Sherlock said we need to dig, I knew who will do it and who would watch

From Cosmic Cavalcade: "But I wasn't enamored with this episode. I guess I'm hard to please."

Indeed you're quite hard to please
Within 5 minutes of the episode I figured this one would be mostly based on the case especially that Sherlock was such a predominant character (I liked last year's episode but I have to admit I enjoyed Sherlock more this year). I too I'm usually not fond of having one guest character overtaking an episode at the expense of the main characters of the show (like Churchill last year too), but I do enjoy very much Andrew Gower's performance as Sherlock so it always make for an enjoyable episode.

Oct 22, 2013 3:05:00 GMT MelodyPond101 said:

I still don't like Emily very much, I'm afraid. She's grown on me, but she still doesn't quite fit. I'm in no way feeling the chemistry between her and George.

I hear you there, Emily's growing on me too but I still don't care much when she's in a scene or not (sorry for the people who like her) and I think the relationship between her & George looks more like friends (I think it is great that Jonny and Georgina are such good friends in real life but in my opinion it might take away the tension that we should see between 2 characters courting and falling in love)

From Cosmic Cavalcade " But Julia pretty much has chemistry with everyone, except for maybe Brackenreid. I don't think he's ever really liked her a whole lot for some reason. Probably thinks Murdoch should have more control over her or something even though he himself can't keep Margaret in line very often"

I don't think Brackenreid doesn't like Julia, after all he consulted with her in the past and I think he does respect her work before as a pathologist and now as a psychiatrist. Would he want her to be less opinionated and outspoken..most probably but he does like to tease her (like in "Murdoch au Naturel" with the nudist colony or the last scene of "Murdoch Ahoy") and after all he is super brash with George and we know he does care about him...deep down Brackenreid is a real softy I think

From Murdochic: "Of course she's not overly fond of the limbo state their relationship is in at the moment. They're back to not quite dating. She did say they've barely begun so she see's a future and that's a good thing. As for the excitement well the aren't having loads in their relationship right now. It's stalled, but they definitely do still have the chemistry and the banter. Julia obviously wants them to be a proper couple again but they don't feel it's the right time yet with all the baggage left over from Gillies. They'll get there. The writers have to draw it out to fill out their storyline. The heat and them being a couple will return before long"

I totally agree with you here, I think the "baggage" that was mentioned in interviews before and how to move on from all that is what we see happening now but I hope the romance will be back soon....it is getting there I agree but I'm an impatient kind I still need much much more

Overall I did like the episode mostly because I kept asking myself questions about who had done it (was the nanny having an affair with the dad? why the godfather was killed instead of her etc...) I would have never thought about con artists even though Ben's lack of warmth towards his "parents" was intriguing...so I was very pleased that they got me this time (which wasn't the case with the first 3 episodes that we've seen so far). I did like the morgue scene with Emily and George as it was very funny. I liked that we see Julia helping as a psychiatrist again (so there is absolutely no problems for her to go back to her job...a bit odd but I'm not too bothered by it) but also the fact that she's still mentoring Emily when necessary (loved the reference to season 1 episode) and for once I was super happy that Emily pried into Julia & William's relationship, that conversation was super cute and maybe the writers are doing "show&tell" the other way around, this week they've told us about romance and next week they'll show us (wishful thinking but a girl can dream right?)
Finally the last scene when William is slightly miffed that Julia refers as David/Sherlock as a "remarkably good" detective was very endearing, being jealous suits him

[CosmicCavalcade]

I've never seen Weekend at Bernie's either but I know what it's about, which is a guy dies on his birthday and his two idiot friends decide to continue the party with him by feeding him beers and tying strings to his limbs in order to manipulate him like a puppet. It sounds kind of dark but it's supposed to be funny.

I didn't say he disliked her, just that he doesn't like her as much as the others. At least, that is what I meant to say. Sorry if that didn't come across.

Now we've got an orphan kid named Ben who is in need of parents. CBC was a bit teasing and saying that might not be the last time we see him. I will laugh a lot if he ends up becoming their son since that was the name of their first adopted child in my fanfictions AND a train was involved too. xD

[murdochic]

It wouldn't be shocking if W/J did end up adopting Ben. He'd fit right in with them and he is an orphan and they want children but can't have them naturally. I could definitely see them adopting at some point, and more than once.

[CosmicCavalcade]

AND he's got lovely thick eyelashes like Yannick AND he's highly analytical and unemotional, so he could pass as Murdoch's natural born son! This is SO ON!

[barbarama]

I'm laughing away with these assumptions but why not indeed, I could see him being adopted by William and Julia too
Btw, nobody can tell me how I do to put several quotes from several people in my message so I don't repeat the same mistake. Thanks in advance

[CosmicCavalcade]

Of course the only major problem with this theory is that they are months to a year away from ever getting married and Ben would probably be adopted by then especially once his relatives learn of the whole sordid affair. :/ Then again, if Ben was living with those imposters for like 5 years and they never got found out except by the nannies, that would tend to imply that Ben doesn't have any other relatives in Canada...
Where did the McQueen's originally hail from?

I don't know how to do that other than manually copying and pasting the quotes from the second person...sorry Barb.

[carco]

Oct 22, 2013 19:50:13 GMT murdochic said:

It wouldn't be shocking if W/J did end up adopting Ben. He'd fit right in with them and he is an orphan and they want children but can't have them naturally. I could definitely see them adopting at some point, and more than once.

TRUE STORY (bit long sorry!)...I've been intending to share this story for a while but now seems a good time. Years ago I used to have wonderful conversations with an Aunt (I'll call her "Sarah") in my extended family who lived on Jarvis St in Toronto and worked at Eaton's as a bookkeeper for over 40 years...starting just before WW2. We'd see each other only at Xmas in my husband's hometown in SW Ontario but as all the other ladies in the family were homemakers and "Sarah" and I both worked and had lived in Toronto, we had things in common. She was a great lady. She would tell me about the beauty of Jarvis St in her younger days (not so much, now). By the time we chatted, her neighbours on Jarvis St. were mainly all young gay men who enjoyed after work dinner parties and live stage productions as did she. So she was usually at or hosting some dinner party and then they'd all pile in a taxi and go to the theatre. She never married, never moved from her apt. and continued working at Eaton's even into her 70's. One day my sis-in-law told us they just had a call from "Sarah" who was out of town. She asked them to enter her apt (they had a spare key) and prep it for moving all her things into storage. Then her story came out...around the time of WW2 she met a man when he was in Toronto for a work project. He was a geologist from BC. They fell quickly and deeply in love, as if soul mates. But he had a wife and child and had to go back to BC and would not/could not hurt his family more than he already had. So it ended between them. But every year at Christmas (or Birthday, I can't recall which) he sent her a beautiful card with a loving message. She could not reply or contact him in any way, so she remained at the same address. Her phone rang one day and when she picked it up it was him. His wife had died about a year earlier and so they talked. She said it was like they had just spoken yesterday, she said the years just fell away. They talked for hours and then several more times over the next few days. Then he bought her a 2 way ticket to BC and she went out to visit him. She never returned. In time they married and then a couple of years later they flew back to SW Ontario for Xmas with the family and we all met him. We were all in our winter casuals and he was in a 3 pce navy blue pin stripe suit with a gold watch on a chain in his vest pocket. He was so quietly happy being with "Sarah" and he went around the room greeting each man with a handshake and kissed the hand of each of the ladies. We ladies melted. While he circled the room "Sarah" watched him, beaming.

When I discovered Murdoch Mysteries this summer and watched all the episodes in a short space of time, I recalled this family story I had forgotten and thought "Sarah's" lover could easily have been raised by a father like William and the time period would have been about the same, too. He would have taught him to honour his responsibilities in life but he would also, from a William type of Vicotrian father he would have inherited the ability to feel passion and to love a woman for a lifetime even if he can't be with her. "Sarah" is not her real name but her lover/husband's real name was Ben. I kid you not!   Before I saw last night's episode I was going to share this story and be cute and say, " I have seen the past and it was Ben."  

As you may have guessed, once I saw the ending of the episode my immediate thought was that Ben would make a great adopted son for William and Julia. 

[MelodyPond101]

Oct 22, 2013 21:39:07 GMT carco said:

Oct 22, 2013 19:50:13 GMT murdochic said:

It wouldn't be shocking if W/J did end up adopting Ben. He'd fit right in with them and he is an orphan and they want children but can't have them naturally. I could definitely see them adopting at some point, and more than once.

TRUE STORY (bit long sorry!)...I've been intending to share this story for a while but now seems a good time. Years ago I used to have wonderful conversations with an Aunt (I'll call her "Sarah") in my extended family who lived on Jarvis St in Toronto and worked at Eaton's as a bookkeeper for over 40 years...starting just before WW2. We'd see each other only at Xmas in my husband's hometown in SW Ontario but as all the other ladies in the family were homemakers and "Sarah" and I both worked and had lived in Toronto, we had things in common. She was a great lady. She would tell me about the beauty of Jarvis St in her younger days (not so much, now). By the time we chatted, her neighbours on Jarvis St. were mainly all young gay men who enjoyed after work dinner parties and live stage productions as did she. So she was usually at or hosting some dinner party and then they'd all pile in a taxi and go to the theatre. She never married, never moved from her apt. and continued working at Eaton's even into her 70's. One day my sis-in-law told us they just had a call from "Sarah" who was out of town. She asked them to enter her apt (they had a spare key) and prep it for moving all her things into storage. Then her story came out...around the time of WW2 she met a man when he was in Toronto for a work project. He was a geologist from BC. They fell quickly and deeply in love, as if soul mates. But he had a wife and child and had to go back to BC and would not/could not hurt his family more than he already had. So it ended between them. But every year at Christmas (or Birthday, I can't recall which) he sent her a beautiful card with a loving message. She could not reply or contact him in any way, so she remained at the same address. Her phone rang one day and when she picked it up it was him. His wife had died about a year earlier and so they talked. She said it was like they had just spoken yesterday, she said the years just fell away. They talked for hours and then several more times over the next few days. Then he bought her a 2 way ticket to BC and she went out to visit him. She never returned. In time they married and then a couple of years later they flew back to SW Ontario for Xmas with the family and we all met him. We were all in our winter casuals and he was in a 3 pce navy blue pin stripe suit with a gold watch on a chain in his vest pocket. He was so quietly happy being with "Sarah" and he went around the room greeting each man with a handshake and kissed the hand of each of the ladies. We ladies melted. While he circled the room "Sarah" watched him, beaming.

When I discovered Murdoch Mysteries this summer and watched all the episodes in a short space of time, I recalled this family story I had forgotten and thought "Sarah's" lover could easily have been raised by a father like William and the time period would have been about the same, too. He would have taught him to honour his responsibilities in life but he would also, from a William type of Vicotrian father he would have inherited the ability to feel passion and to love a woman for a lifetime even if he can't be with her. "Sarah" is not her real name but her lover/husband's real name was Ben. I kid you not!   Before I saw last night's episode I was going to share this story and be cute and say, " I have seen the past and it was Ben."  

As you may have guessed, once I saw the ending of the episode my immediate thought was that Ben would make a great adopted son for William and Julia. 

Aaww, he sounds incredibly sweet! 'Sarah' is one lucky lady, by the sound of it!

That was a really cute story; thanks for sharing! xD

[carco]

Oct 22, 2013 22:10:33 GMT MelodyPond101 said:

Oct 22, 2013 21:39:07 GMT carco said:

AAaww, he sounds incredibly sweet! 'Sarah' is one lucky lady, by the sound of it!
That was a really cute story; thanks for sharing! xD

 You're welcome MelodyPond101 ... yes, she was certainly a very lucky lady to have known that kind of enduring love.

 

 

[barbarama]

Oct 22, 2013 21:39:07 GMT carco said:

TRUE STORY (bit long sorry!)...I've been intending to share this story for a while but now seems a good time. Years ago I used to have wonderful conversations with an Aunt (I'll call her "Sarah") in my extended family who lived on Jarvis St in Toronto and worked at Eaton's as a bookkeeper for over 40 years...starting just before WW2. We'd see each other only at Xmas in my husband's hometown in SW Ontario but as all the other ladies in the family were homemakers and "Sarah" and I both worked and had lived in Toronto, we had things in common. She was a great lady. She would tell me about the beauty of Jarvis St in her younger days (not so much, now). By the time we chatted, her neighbours on Jarvis St. were mainly all young gay men who enjoyed after work dinner parties and live stage productions as did she. So she was usually at or hosting some dinner party and then they'd all pile in a taxi and go to the theatre. She never married, never moved from her apt. and continued working at Eaton's even into her 70's. One day my sis-in-law told us they just had a call from "Sarah" who was out of town. She asked them to enter her apt (they had a spare key) and prep it for moving all her things into storage. Then her story came out...around the time of WW2 she met a man when he was in Toronto for a work project. He was a geologist from BC. They fell quickly and deeply in love, as if soul mates. But he had a wife and child and had to go back to BC and would not/could not hurt his family more than he already had. So it ended between them. But every year at Christmas (or Birthday, I can't recall which) he sent her a beautiful card with a loving message. She could not reply or contact him in any way, so she remained at the same address. Her phone rang one day and when she picked it up it was him. His wife had died about a year earlier and so they talked. She said it was like they had just spoken yesterday, she said the years just fell away. They talked for hours and then several more times over the next few days. Then he bought her a 2 way ticket to BC and she went out to visit him. She never returned. In time they married and then a couple of years later they flew back to SW Ontario for Xmas with the family and we all met him. We were all in our winter casuals and he was in a 3 pce navy blue pin stripe suit with a gold watch on a chain in his vest pocket. He was so quietly happy being with "Sarah" and he went around the room greeting each man with a handshake and kissed the hand of each of the ladies. We ladies melted. While he circled the room "Sarah" watched him, beaming.

When I discovered Murdoch Mysteries this summer and watched all the episodes in a short space of time, I recalled this family story I had forgotten and thought "Sarah's" lover could easily have been raised by a father like William and the time period would have been about the same, too. He would have taught him to honour his responsibilities in life but he would also, from a William type of Vicotrian father he would have inherited the ability to feel passion and to love a woman for a lifetime even if he can't be with her. "Sarah" is not her real name but her lover/husband's real name was Ben. I kid you not!   Before I saw last night's episode I was going to share this story and be cute and say, " I have seen the past and it was Ben."  

As you may have guessed, once I saw the ending of the episode my immediate thought was that Ben would make a great adopted son for William and Julia. 

Such a beautiful story, thank you so much for sharing it with us Long lasting love despite time and adversities....what a beautiful thought to go to bed to

[carolion]

Oh my! That story was so sweet, and what a coincidence.

[snacky]

Eclair's response to this episode: "Batman is born."

First time I caught David Kingsley say he prefers to stay Sherlock Holmes because he's partial to the hat. A little poke at homburg fetishism there?

eclair turned off the ep before William offers to take Julia home after the Great Detective line, thus missing one of the sexiest nookie invites (and anti-virgin arguments) of the whole series.

I'm still confused by Julia's whole "thrill is not gone" talk with Emily. Was there any discourse within the show, with the audience, or among the writers, suggesting the thrill might be going anywhere? That was just weird. Also, after the disaster of MIA Julia this season, all the contortions to get Julia back in the lab to "help" Emily are very interesting to watch. Julia obviously needs to get a lab of her own.

World's first private CSI lab. It could happen, around this time...

[bookworm1225]

Rewatching (or, rather, relistening, since I'm at work) to this episode now. Did a freeze on the calling card Sherlock gave to Murdoch.

He's living at 221B Bloor Street. *grin*

[snacky]

May 8, 2015 19:24:59 GMT bookworm1225 said:

Rewatching (or, rather, relistening, since I'm at work) to this episode now. Did a freeze on the calling card Sherlock gave to Murdoch.

He's living at 221B Bloor Street. *grin*

ROFL!

lovemondays needs to find out if such an address exists...

[lovemondays]

May 9, 2015 7:15:41 GMT snacky said:

May 8, 2015 19:24:59 GMT bookworm1225 said:

Rewatching (or, rather, relistening, since I'm at work) to this episode now. Did a freeze on the calling card Sherlock gave to Murdoch.

He's living at 221B Bloor Street. *grin*

ROFL!

lovemondays needs to find out if such an address exists...

Nope, not there. Just for clarification, the card should have identified Bloor St. East or West, both would have been well traveled in Murdoch's day.  Bloor St East is the gateway to "posh Rosedale".