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Post by barbarama on Feb 13, 2014 3:15:27 GMT
Episode title as per IMDb. I can feel a Terrence Myers adventure again  )) |
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Post by LaurenMurdoch on Feb 15, 2014 2:59:29 GMT
*Spoilers*
-Murdoch is put in the middle of a web of international espionage and intrigue after the assassination of U.S. President McKinley in Buffalo. (description)
-Terrence Meyers and Allan Clegg return.
-*[[Maureen Jennings]] once named the book "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" as one of her favorite books. The title is obviously a play on the book, but works as the spy ([[Terrence Meyers]]) comes up to Canada (the Cold)
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Post by LaurenMurdoch on Feb 15, 2014 3:06:20 GMT
Oh, and Emma Goldman supposedly returns too!
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Post by snacky on Feb 15, 2014 3:53:18 GMT
*Spoilers* -*[[Maureen Jennings]] once named the book "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" as one of her favorite books. The title is obviously a play on the book, but works as the spy ([[Terrence Meyers]]) comes up to Canada (the Cold) I thought MM did the Bourne Identity really well. It's one of my faves. Looking forward to the Le Carre Victorianization.  |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Mar 11, 2014 2:41:51 GMT
I ship Meyers and Clegg, a lottle. xD
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Post by snacky on Mar 11, 2014 4:02:36 GMT
I ship Meyers and Clegg, a lottle. xD lol, I can actually see that. And I never get the slash glasses vibe on MM, not even for Pendrick. D: (Methinks also that Clegg protested too much in regard to his admiration of lovely ladies). I really loved this episode. Season 7 has been epic. I'm so glad I discovered MM when I did. William road up on a horse and declared himself the law! He really is the greatest detective in the King's realm, and he knows it! I also like that part of the MM formula where the interrogations allow William to consider his own emotional dilemmas from a distance. In this episode women were incomprehensible and capable of killing what they loved most when under duress from a master manipulator. Even if Julia's note hadn't come, William might have begun to piece things together from that. I doubt no one followed William to the dark alley, though. That would just be too easy. There will be consequences to test just how strong they are together. Regarding emotional foreshadowing, I got the creeps when Clegg obliged the "pretty woman": I'm sure he knows exactly who Julia is. For a second I wondered if he had something to do with the notes or Gillies' man escapes. Ps. Looooooooooved the adventures of the pen! And George/Higgins BFF frenemies! |
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Post by barbarama on Mar 11, 2014 5:17:58 GMT
I'm not much about political games, spies etc so I wasn't really into this episode (I have to admit that I did enjoy "Murdoch Air" in season 6 with both Myers and Clegg way more than this last one).
It did have some good moments tough with George and Higgins bickering & insulting each other over the "hidden" pen; and also William should never ever listen to George's advice about playing "hard to get"!!!
I was totally frustrated throughout the episode with both William & Julia keeping the status quo of their nonexistent relationship and apparently not doing anything to change it (especially that they have been so great together since the beginning of season 7), so I was very pleased and relieved by the last scene with Julia deciding to tell William the truth….Finally they can see that "living inside their head" is far from the best for either of them. With the notion that it will get better from now on, it won't be as hard to wait until March 24th.
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Post by snacky on Mar 11, 2014 5:59:38 GMT
I'm not much about political games, spies etc so I wasn't really into this episode (I have to admit that I did enjoy "Murdoch Air" in season 6 with both Myers and Clegg way more than this last one). It was really nice to see both those spy dudes get some come-uppance! Also Melody's take on it made me smile. XD I'm still over-thinking why Clegg supposedly didn't know Julia... |
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Post by murdochic on Mar 11, 2014 14:03:52 GMT
I'm not much about political games, spies etc so I wasn't really into this episode (I have to admit that I did enjoy "Murdoch Air" in season 6 with both Myers and Clegg way more than this last one). It did have some good moments tough with George and Higgins bickering & insulting each other over the "hidden" pen; and also William should never ever listen to George's advice about playing "hard to get"!!! I was totally frustrated throughout the episode with both William & Julia keeping the status quo of their nonexistent relationship and apparently not doing anything to change it (especially that they have been so great together since the beginning of season 7), so I was very pleased and relieved by the last scene with Julia deciding to tell William the truth….Finally they can see that "living inside their head" is far from the best for either of them. With the notion that it will get better from now on, it won't be as hard to wait until March 24th. A lot of the same thoughts I had. I'm never a big fan of the spy episodes, but it had some good bits. I'm glad Julia finally told William the truth. Now they can start to deal with it. The show is off next week again? |
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Post by snacky on Mar 11, 2014 15:23:43 GMT
The show is off next week again? There was a preview for a rerun of the Doyle episode at the end. I'm wondering if CBC is trying to make it so the finale coincides with something...? Or they are starting realize 18 eps still aren't a full season. |
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Post by carco on Mar 12, 2014 16:12:05 GMT
I enjoyed this episode. Always like reading up on the historical references they make on this show but I am not a student of history so it doesn't bother me if they stretch timelines and boundaries a bit. I love the writers' abilities to interweave fact and fiction and still find a way to give Murdoch a mystery to solve. That said, I absolutely did not think they were going to deal with William and Julia in this episode when they were still talking with Clegg and the hour was about up. But...wow!....these days I'm thrilled if those two are loving towards one another rather than how long they are in a scene together. apparently, the MM people have a well-trained fan in me  . Last week and this week, William has been far more honest and open about his feelings. His confession to George last week about her being the one for him and his declaration to Julia this week that "together we are stronger than anyone", reminded me of a song I'd heard before and I found it...Kenny Rogers! If you think of William/Julia for the last 7 years, this sounds just like them. Here are the lovely lyrics.... kudos to the songwriters Kenny Rogers – Through The Years Lyrics
: Songwriters: DORFF, STEPHEN HARTLEY / PANZER, MARTIN
I can't remember when you weren't there
When I didn't care for anyone but you
I swear we've been through everything there is
Can't imagine anything we've missed
Can't imagine anything the two of us can't do
Through the years, you've never let me down
You turned my life around, the sweetest days I've found
I've found with you ... Through the years
I've never been afraid, I've loved the life we've made
And I'm so glad I've stayed, right here with you
Through the years
I can't remember what I used to do
Who I trusted, who I listened to before
I swear you taught me everything I know
Can't imagine needing someone so
But through the years it seems to me
I need you more and more
Through the years, through all the good and bad
I KNOW how much we had, I've always been so glad
To be with you ... Through the years
It's better every day, you've kissed my tears away
As long as it's okay, I'll stay with you
Through the years
Through the years, when everything went wrong
Together we were strong, I know that I belong
Right here with you ... Through the years
I never had a doubt, we'd always work things out
I've learned what life's about, by loving you
Through the years
Through the years, you've never let me down
You've turned my life around, the sweetest days I've found
I've found with you ... Through the years
It's better every day, you've kissed my tears away
As long as it's okay, I'll stay with you
Through the years... |
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Post by snacky on Mar 12, 2014 22:57:00 GMT
Last week and this week, William has been far more honest and open about his feelings. I'd like to know why relationship problems are the one kind of problem William refuses to try to solve. Way back at Shades of Grey, William was the one who decided to break things off rather than carry on the conversation, and after Julia declined his sudden invite to a battery exhibition, he made quite a show of pursuing Enid . William only decided to propose after Julia decided to seek other prospects: and then when he missed her train, he took MONTHS to visit Buffalo. He had been corresponding with Julia that whole time without even trying to settle the matter of their relationship. He just sat in his room and stared at the blank walls while he thought about it. When Julia got engaged, William just stood by and let Julia plan a future without him. After Julia's trial and brush with execution, William doesn't see her much until she happens to be on the same steamship. The same thing happened when Julia refused his latest proposal. Evidently, he had not seen Julia for some time when she showed up in the morgue - and there he assumes some distance by calling Julia "Dr. Ogden". All that time he has been moping about trying to figure out "women" rather than making a serious effort to find out what happened. George's advise about "playing difficult to get" reinforces the idea that William is trying to figure out how to get one up in the game of courtship rather than just finding out what the problem is from Julia. Why did Julia have to be the one to arrange the dark alley meeting? William surely knew something about her routines: he could have intercepted her. William's behavior seems to be a combination of personal reticence ("living in one's head"), overthinking - the fatal flaw of a great detective, and elaborate Victorian courtship mores. But after so many years of relationship fail, you'd think he would have realized that solving his relationship problems in his head just wasn't working out for him, and that his refusal to interact with Julia directly has almost cost him the love of his life several times. Looking forward to the episode where someone shakes some sense into the man. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Mar 13, 2014 16:17:46 GMT
Agreed- for such a great detective, Murdoch hasn't done any digging on Julia's rejection of his proposal. Anybody could see that it was odd and out of place (after their flourishing and expanding relationship) as well as notice her odd wording ('I can't). I was a little annoyed that Murdoch decided to accept that Julia simply didn't want him any more, and mope around. Even if there was no Gillies threat, and she simply didn't want to get married because of her previous distasterous marriage, wouldn't Murdoch want to know why? His lack of curiosity- in fact, his lack of deep thinking- was quite out of character.
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Post by snacky on Mar 13, 2014 22:27:47 GMT
His lack of curiosity- in fact, his lack of deep thinking- was quite out of character. I don't think it's lack of curiosity - William seemed to be dwelling on it a lot. I think part of the formula of the show is William needs to get a BIG EMOTIONAL CUE from whatever case he's working on to take any action on his real-world relationships. I just saw it again in The Green Muse: the Judge has to lay out how important it was to let his feelings be known before it was too late before William proceeded with his whole picnic absinthe scheme. In Blood and Circuses he's asking a fortune teller how his relationship will turn out instead of actually trying to make things happen. I seem to remember something akin to this in The Kissing Bandit, too - a "clarifying" discussion with the suspect about losing the love of his life. Note William was also unwilling to help George with the curling match until George invoked a Garland "stealing his girl" - something that resonated with William's own relationship dilemmas. I believe the MM writers took a stab at explaining William's worldview in Dead End Street. When William brings up the "mysterious combination of emotional unawareness and acute intellect", Julia wryly comments that this sounds like someone she knows - implying that William is somewhere on the Asperger's spectrum. However, later Julia differentiates the autistic woman from William when she discusses how they are able to read emotion and communicate through eye contact. William understands eye contact: he brings it up in Beaton Manor, and Julia seems to be reminiscing on it in Blood Lust. When the issue of eye contact comes up in Dead End Street, William seems to give it a try to communicate something - but it doesn't work. (He sighs in disappointment afterward). At the end of the episode, William also argues that the "solace and certainty of order" can compensate for inability to communicate emotions, and sometimes that "has to be enough". So I think the inability to communicate emotions is an established impediment for William. The interrogation-mirror scenes are both part of William's character "as designed" and as a convention that helps structure the show. I would still like a little more insight into why William is that way. When William starts ignoring Julia, it can come off as a bit petty and manipulative: William taking his ball and going home when crossed, then sitting in his room to wait for the world to apologize. However, William isn't particularly self-centered otherwise: while he might indulge in a bit of pettiness, he is mostly motivated by logic. So there has to be a logical reason why a highly rational and scientific man would consistently fall back on magical thinking when it comes to Julia. In other words, why isn't it logical for him to communicate with Julia? He might be a little asperger-esque, but he's not autistic. MM writing team - please give this some thought and let the audience in on what's going on here. |
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Post by shangas on Mar 14, 2014 6:24:26 GMT
The ending was certainly interesting. But also incredibly boring.
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