|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 14, 2014 15:26:16 GMT
The ending was certainly interesting. But also incredibly boring. The ending of the spy tale or the postscript where Julia lets William in on the notes? There is an eerie connection between the spy story and the alley scene. Clegg averred that the greatest sin in the spy game was "overconfidence". Meyers called William the "greatest detective in the King's realm". William has also been flattered a lot this season. Brackenreid called him his "best man" in Murdoch Ahoy, and Julia called William the "Great Detective Murdoch" after he got prickly about being compared to Sherlock. Then in the alley he showed an extreme amount of confidence about being able to fight Gillies: *nothing* is stronger than when they are together. While that was the thing Julia needed to hear, it was kind of surprising coming from William, who usually comes across as humble. This might be foreshadowing of a mistake or crisis resulting from overconfidence... |
|
|
|
Post by shangas on Mar 14, 2014 22:39:19 GMT
The spy thing was lots of fun. But this Gilles thread is getting really really boring.
Also, I would like to say that "The Spy Who Came Up to the Cold" is Alan Clegg, not Myers. Myers already LIVES in Canada. Clegg lives in New York. It's HE who's come up to the cold.
|
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 15, 2014 2:48:14 GMT
The spy thing was lots of fun. But this Gilles thread is getting really really boring. There is always hope the Gillies thing is not what it seems. But I'm hoping it's not Leslie Garland either, since that seems so obvious that it should be a red herring. I have mixed feelings about the alley scene. I liked the film noir effect. I liked William's confidence in what he can accomplish with Julia, though I'm a bit worried that the whole episode hinted over-confidence will be his downfall. I thought Julia was a little shrill for someone trying not to draw attention to their meeting, and when William drew her closer I thought "Perils of Pauline!!!". I prefer the "I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum" Julia of last week's Axe Murderer episode. Also, the way William looked away in the end looked stagey and reduced the intimacy of his reconciliation with Julia. I know he was looking out for Gillies and thinking, but it still gave the impression of a pose. |
|
|
|
Post by fan2tvshows on Mar 15, 2014 15:53:55 GMT
I didn't like very much the plot of this episode. Indeed, I'm generally not fond of conspiracies of spies and political games; I'm like Barbarama and Murdochic.
Thankfully, George and Henry were there to make me laugh as they did in the previous episode.
About the relationship between Julia and William:
One more time, William was about to lose Julia and as usual he didn't try or do anything, even not to know the reason why she said to him no. Will the "great Detective MURDOCH" never cease to repeat yesterday's mistakes?
Why did he not follow the funny advice of HIGGINS, the one gave to George? To detect.
I understand that the writers of the Murdoch Mysteries can not make a story only based/focused on the couple but I think that their difficulties to communicate could have been reduced.
And so I was happy when I saw the final scene; Julia explaining everything to William. Enfin! C'est pas trop tôt! This ironical french expressions mean that "it was time!".
But now, we must wait two weeks for an all new episode and for knowing how they will solve their problem.
Question: will there be in Canada a special (sporting or other) event that monday night which explains that?
Personally, I start thinking that several versions of the future episodes were filmed and according to the comments of the fans, they will decide to broadcast the one that they will choose/select at the last time.
|
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 15, 2014 16:48:14 GMT
Personally, I start thinking that several versions of the future episodes were filmed and according to the comments of the fans, they will decide to broadcast the one that they will choose/select at the last time. I was wondering about that, too. I got the vibe that the last scene with William and Julia had been filmed at a different time than the rest of the show. I thought it might have been filmed near the end of the shooting period in order to keep certain aspects of this season's arc secret. In the US, a show might have several endings because actor contracts are being re-negotiated or the show is in danger of cancellation. It's a thoughtful gesture toward the show's fans if everything gets wrapped up nicely at the end. However, a cliff-hanger will keep people salivating for the next season. It must be difficult to write an episode that keeps both these options open! |
|
|
|
Post by fan2tvshows on Mar 16, 2014 22:27:25 GMT
Personally, I start thinking that several versions of the future episodes were filmed and according to the comments of the fans, they will decide to broadcast the one that they will choose/select at the last time. I was wondering about that, too. I got the vibe that the last scene with William and Julia had been filmed at a different time than the rest of the show. I thought it might have been filmed near the end of the shooting period in order to keep certain aspects of this season's arc secret. In the US, a show might have several endings because actor contracts are being re-negotiated or the show is in danger of cancellation. It's a thoughtful gesture toward the show's fans if everything gets wrapped up nicely at the end. However, a cliff-hanger will keep people salivating for the next season. It must be difficult to write an episode that keeps both these options open! I rather feel that the final scene was added at the last moment. It was as if the episode should have been cut just after the previous scene; the one in which William received and read the note, and thereafter leaving viewers wonder who sent it and what was the content of the message. A threat of GILLES or a distress call of Julia for example.
The producers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES also use this trick. We know that two different endings were filmed for the last episode of the third season. Hélène JOY had other professional projects/proposals so her character took the train to Buffalo. |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 17, 2014 1:29:23 GMT
I rather feel that the final scene was added at the last moment. It was as if the episode should have been cut just after the previous scene; the one in which William received and read the note, and thereafter leaving viewers wonder who sent it and what was the content of the message. A threat of GILLES or a distress call of Julia for example.
hmm, I see your point. Williams reading the note (and leaving the audience in the dark) would have been a more satisfying ending to that particular episode. It would have been nice to include this scene in an entirely noir or Hitchcock-esque episode, too. However, I wouldn't want to miss out on the conversation between Julia and William all together. I also liked the noir effect of the dark alley (the shadow of the homburg!). Perhaps they just couldn't find room for it in the next episode? Or they felt they needed more sliding room between William and Julia talking and when they actual formulate a plan and take action. I'm already worried that the writers left too much thread to wrap up in the couple episodes left. |
|
|
|
Post by fan2tvshows on Mar 22, 2014 12:07:45 GMT
I'm already worried that the writers left too much thread to wrap up in the couple episodes left. I perfectly understand what you mean. I think I expect so much from the next episode(s) than I fear to be disappointed. I just hope that I won't be. |
|
|
|
Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 1, 2014 17:28:25 GMT
Last week and this week, William has been far more honest and open about his feelings. I'd like to know why relationship problems are the one kind of problem William refuses to try to solve. Way back at Shades of Grey, William was the one who decided to break things off rather than carry on the conversation, and after Julia declined his sudden invite to a battery exhibition, he made quite a show of pursuing Enid . William only decided to propose after Julia decided to seek other prospects: and then when he missed her train, he took MONTHS to visit Buffalo. He had been corresponding with Julia that whole time without even trying to settle the matter of their relationship. He just sat in his room and stared at the blank walls while he thought about it. When Julia got engaged, William just stood by and let Julia plan a future without him. After Julia's trial and brush with execution, William doesn't see her much until she happens to be on the same steamship. The same thing happened when Julia refused his latest proposal. Evidently, he had not seen Julia for some time when she showed up in the morgue - and there he assumes some distance by calling Julia "Dr. Ogden". All that time he has been moping about trying to figure out "women" rather than making a serious effort to find out what happened. George's advise about "playing difficult to get" reinforces the idea that William is trying to figure out how to get one up in the game of courtship rather than just finding out what the problem is from Julia. Why did Julia have to be the one to arrange the dark alley meeting? William surely knew something about her routines: he could have intercepted her. William's behavior seems to be a combination of personal reticence ("living in one's head"), overthinking - the fatal flaw of a great detective, and elaborate Victorian courtship mores. But after so many years of relationship fail, you'd think he would have realized that solving his relationship problems in his head just wasn't working out for him, and that his refusal to interact with Julia directly has almost cost him the love of his life several times. Looking forward to the episode where someone shakes some sense into the man. So I just finished watching Spy Who Came Up to the Cold, and I know that I've long wondered why he didn't try to find out more about the failed proposal, but seemingly take it lying down? I get that maybe he needed some time to process (this is William) and he didn't get the answer he thought he was going to get, so that had to surprise him, but now I wonder if he was just waiting for Julia to come see him/contact him? When he approaches her in the alley, he seems angry and annoyed- "Julia, what is going on?" as opposed to super worried. Of course, he can't maintain that for long, and he's quickly taking her in his arms and holding her. But I think that he was hurt that she didn't trust him to take care of both of them sooner, and maybe that's why he waited to propose again? |
|
|
|
Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 1, 2014 18:14:22 GMT
I'd like to know why relationship problems are the one kind of problem William refuses to try to solve. Way back at Shades of Grey, William was the one who decided to break things off rather than carry on the conversation, and after Julia declined his sudden invite to a battery exhibition, he made quite a show of pursuing Enid . William only decided to propose after Julia decided to seek other prospects: and then when he missed her train, he took MONTHS to visit Buffalo. He had been corresponding with Julia that whole time without even trying to settle the matter of their relationship. He just sat in his room and stared at the blank walls while he thought about it. When Julia got engaged, William just stood by and let Julia plan a future without him. After Julia's trial and brush with execution, William doesn't see her much until she happens to be on the same steamship. The same thing happened when Julia refused his latest proposal. Evidently, he had not seen Julia for some time when she showed up in the morgue - and there he assumes some distance by calling Julia "Dr. Ogden". All that time he has been moping about trying to figure out "women" rather than making a serious effort to find out what happened. George's advise about "playing difficult to get" reinforces the idea that William is trying to figure out how to get one up in the game of courtship rather than just finding out what the problem is from Julia. Why did Julia have to be the one to arrange the dark alley meeting? William surely knew something about her routines: he could have intercepted her. William's behavior seems to be a combination of personal reticence ("living in one's head"), overthinking - the fatal flaw of a great detective, and elaborate Victorian courtship mores. But after so many years of relationship fail, you'd think he would have realized that solving his relationship problems in his head just wasn't working out for him, and that his refusal to interact with Julia directly has almost cost him the love of his life several times. Looking forward to the episode where someone shakes some sense into the man. So I just finished watching Spy Who Came Up to the Cold, and I know that I've long wondered why he didn't try to find out more about the failed proposal, but seemingly take it lying down? I get that maybe he needed some time to process (this is William) and he didn't get the answer he thought he was going to get, so that had to surprise him, but now I wonder if he was just waiting for Julia to come see him/contact him? When he approaches her in the alley, he seems angry and annoyed- "Julia, what is going on?" as opposed to super worried. Of course, he can't maintain that for long, and he's quickly taking her in his arms and holding her. But I think that he was hurt that she didn't trust him to take care of both of them sooner, and maybe that's why he waited to propose again? could be, but this is still funny to me: holy-matrimony-batman.tumblr.com/post/79279595567/sorry-im-just-a-bit-mad-at-murdoch-still-for |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Nov 1, 2014 19:35:09 GMT
So I just finished watching Spy Who Came Up to the Cold, and I know that I've long wondered why he didn't try to find out more about the failed proposal, but seemingly take it lying down? I get that maybe he needed some time to process (this is William) and he didn't get the answer he thought he was going to get, so that had to surprise him, but now I wonder if he was just waiting for Julia to come see him/contact him? When he approaches her in the alley, he seems angry and annoyed- "Julia, what is going on?" as opposed to super worried. Of course, he can't maintain that for long, and he's quickly taking her in his arms and holding her. But I think that he was hurt that she didn't trust him to take care of both of them sooner, and maybe that's why he waited to propose again? could be, but this is still funny to me: holy-matrimony-batman.tumblr.com/post/79279595567/sorry-im-just-a-bit-mad-at-murdoch-still-forIt's almost like whenever he thinks Julia's mad at him, her entire vicinity gets cordoned off with a wall of iron spikes and giant robots with laser death rays start patrolling the area until Julia sends him a personal dainty invitation to tea and crumpets. |
|
|
|
Post by lea on Sept 18, 2015 17:11:19 GMT
1. I feel like the Inspector doesn't have as many funny quips in season 7. This episode and the last have been great though. I love when Leslie tells him "I'm a student of the law" and Brack replies with "I am the law!"  2. George and his pen is absolutely brilliant. & there is entirely not enough slash shippers in the MM fandom. Henry took George home drunk in the last episode and now they are fighting over a pen. Surely something else must be going on  3. The idea of William playing hard to get is just way too funny. I can't imagine him ever doing such a thing. 4. Another fun hat nod- Terrence asks if he can have his hat back when William brings the letter in to him. 5. William definitely took the rejected proposal better than he should have. He was so mopey and awkward any time in the past when something went wrong with Julia. I do buy him hiding behind his propriety and not pushing her, but he seems just fine in this- even after running into her at the morgue. He must have suspected something else was going on besides just rejection. |
|
