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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 5:07:03 GMT
ROFLMAO!!! My problem was that Thomas Howes completely overacted the role.
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Post by snacky on Jun 4, 2014 17:36:09 GMT
This is more 1902ish than 1902 - just some passing thoughts from recent reading. Where politicians ran for office just for the graft and worked with gangs to establish their "systems", businessmen bounded together to "police" there communities themselves by forming "Vigilance Committees" - that's where the term "vigilante" comes from. I don't think MM has dealt with the concept of organized vigilantes yet...? Gangs had parody civic rituals like parades with pipes and drums. When poor men crossed the continent not just for the gold rush, but for big industrial projects (railroads, mining, etc.). They left their wives and families behind to fend for themselves, creating a lot of independent women. Where money was easy (panning for gold), men tended to gamble. Massage was a late 19th health fashion. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.  |
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Post by carco on Jun 4, 2014 22:19:42 GMT
I was searching Toronto history for 1902 and found that there was a massive fire on July 10th at the P. MacIntosh Feed Co. Five firefighters were killed in two separate wall collapses. The building was previously owned by the Toronto Street Railway Company as a stable that was still packed with hay and other flammable materials. The alarm was first sounded by a policeman walking his beat who saw the flames. A bylaw was waved to allow the burials to occur on a Sunday. I could see George calling that in and Murdoch investigating until he reaches the conclusion that it was a tragic accident. Snacky already noted that Enrico Caruso made a record and several wonderful classical works were also recorded for Julia to play on her gramophone. I don't know where I grokked this, but I think there is going to be a fire involved in a Season 8 episode. I didn't remember or read far enough that a policeman called it in. George could be a hero! Was it a tragic accident? Maybe there was dastardly gang war behind it. >.> If I remember correctly, the showrunner said there would be a fire in a corset factory in S8. I could see all the women in Toronto fanning THOSE flames! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 4, 2014 23:07:53 GMT
If I remember correctly, the showrunner said there would be a fire in a corset factory in S8. I could see all the women in Toronto fanning THOSE flames! A "bra burning" gone bad? XD Or perhaps a drastic corset shortage hastened demand that led to the invention and rapid production of the bra, lol. XD Some of my bras are so annoying, I have to wonder whether a corset would be preferable. |
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Post by carco on Jun 5, 2014 20:45:40 GMT
If I remember correctly, the showrunner said there would be a fire in a corset factory in S8. I could see all the women in Toronto fanning THOSE flames! A "bra burning" gone bad? XD Or perhaps a drastic corset shortage hastened demand that led to the invention and rapid production of the bra, lol. XD Some of my bras are so annoying, I have to wonder whether a corset would be preferable. Hah! Apparently one Elizabeth Stuart Phelps called on women to burn their corsets way back in 1874 (apparently Toronto women didn't get the memo------possibly not until 1902!!!!  ). Interesting though since it was about 100 yrs. later that women were being urged to burn their bras. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 21:00:59 GMT
A "bra burning" gone bad? XD Or perhaps a drastic corset shortage hastened demand that led to the invention and rapid production of the bra, lol. XD Some of my bras are so annoying, I have to wonder whether a corset would be preferable. Hah! Apparently one Elizabeth Stuart Phelps called on women to burn their corsets way back in 1874 (apparently Toronto women didn't get the memo------possibly not until 1902!!!! ). Interesting though since it was about 100 yrs. later that women were being urged to burn their bras. Great find!!! Do you have a link? I'd love to know her reasoning and/or if she proposed alternative foundation garments. While corsets were deforming, going without any sort of support can be back-breaking for women, too. XD Bras aren't just to increase perkiness for male enjoyment. >.> There needs to be more of Emily passing out literature and causing a ruckus. Julia is strong and independent, but she's of the wrong generation to be leading the movement. |
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Post by carco on Jun 5, 2014 21:25:46 GMT
Hah! Apparently one Elizabeth Stuart Phelps called on women to burn their corsets way back in 1874 (apparently Toronto women didn't get the memo------possibly not until 1902!!!! ). Interesting though since it was about 100 yrs. later that women were being urged to burn their bras. Great find!!! Do you have a link? I'd love to know her reasoning and/or if she proposed alternative foundation garments. While corsets were deforming, going without any sort of support can be back-breaking for women, too. XD Bras aren't just to increase perkiness for male enjoyment. >.> There needs to be more of Emily passing out literature and causing a ruckus. Julia is strong and independent, but she's of the wrong generation to be leading the movement. Yep, sure do. First I was looking up info on corsets & bras, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_brassieres , look at the section on Clothing Reform Movement you will see the link to info about Elizabeth. I want to get a book about her....she would have been older than Julia at the time but she sounds like she was a "breath of fresh air" and could have been one of Julia's heroes if she knew about her. She was American which might be the difference.... (I say that kindly.) |
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Post by carco on Jun 5, 2014 21:42:16 GMT
Great find!!! Do you have a link? I'd love to know her reasoning and/or if she proposed alternative foundation garments. While corsets were deforming, going without any sort of support can be back-breaking for women, too. XD Bras aren't just to increase perkiness for male enjoyment. >.> There needs to be more of Emily passing out literature and causing a ruckus. Julia is strong and independent, but she's of the wrong generation to be leading the movement. Yep, sure do. First I was looking up info on corsets & bras, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_brassieres , look at the section on Clothing Reform Movement you will see the link to info about Elizabeth. I want to get a book about her....she would have been older than Julia at the time but she sounds like she was a "breath of fresh air" and could have been one of Julia's heroes if she knew about her. She was American which might be the difference.... (I say that kindly.) Here's some info on another early "spitfire" (from New York)...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Edwards_Walker. Had she been living in Toronto during Murdoch's time in StationHouse 4, he would have spent most of his responding to complaints about her I bet! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 21:47:37 GMT
Yep, sure do. First I was looking up info on corsets & bras, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_brassieres , look at the section on Clothing Reform Movement you will see the link to info about Elizabeth. I want to get a book about her....she would have been older than Julia at the time but she sounds like she was a "breath of fresh air" and could have been one of Julia's heroes if she knew about her. She was American which might be the difference.... (I say that kindly.) In related history, the mannequin came in to general use in the late 19th century, and, from watching Mr. Selfridge's, the references to Eaton's on MM, and a vague memory of reading a book about the rise of the luxury department store in school, we are looking at a whole new era of, basically, turning women into dolls. Oh, it's the heyday of the Gibson Girl illustrations, too. And catalogs like Godeys Ladies book brought these images right to the household doorstep. The wikipedia entry on mannequins is sparse, but it mentions that early 20th century artists were fascinated with them. This is probably because they venture into that whole Freudian arena of "the uncanny" (border between life/death) along with Emily's near-death experiments, automata and talking dolls, Frankenstein/mummies/zombies, waxworks, ventriloquism and puppets, etc. I think the issue was all the more haunting at the time because advances in science were raising questions about how we were special as humans. Perhaps we were just animals (Darwin) or just organic machines (from La Mettrie to the stark materialists of the 19th century that underwrote positivism and Marx). Of course we're all still trying to answer those questions, but at the time people were just freeing their train of thought from the absolute authority of religious doctrines, so it was all pretty shocking. Mannequins were creeeeeeeeeeeepy. And perhaps they confirmed the notion in some men, that women weren't quite human themselves. *goes to check out the call to burn corsets* |
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Post by carco on Jun 5, 2014 22:07:16 GMT
In related history, the mannequin came in to general use in the late 19th century, and, from watching Mr. Selfridge's, the references to Eaton's on MM, and a vague memory of reading a book about the rise of the luxury department store in school, we are looking at a whole new era of, basically, turning women into dolls. Oh, it's the heyday of the Gibson Girl illustrations, too. And catalogs like Godeys Ladies book brought these images right to the household doorstep. The wikipedia entry on mannequins is sparse, but it mentions that early 20th century artists were fascinated with them. This is probably because they venture into that whole Freudian arena of "the uncanny" (border between life/death) along with Emily's near-death experiments, automata and talking dolls, Frankenstein/mummies/zombies, waxworks, ventriloquism and puppets, etc. I think the issue was all the more haunting at the time because advances in science were raising questions about how we were special as humans. Perhaps we were just animals (Darwin) or just organic machines (from La Mettrie to the stark materialists of the 19th century that underwrote positivism and Marx). Of course we're all still trying to answer those questions, but at the time people were just freeing their train of thought from the absolute authority of religious doctrines, so it was all pretty shocking. Mannequins were creeeeeeeeeeeepy. And perhaps they confirmed the notion in some men, that women weren't quite human themselves. *goes to check out the call to burn corsets* Fascinating times. All the ideas, theories, writings, etc. that were being put "out there" in those days. It was probably just as mind-blowing to live in that time in history as it is to live with today's almost daily technological advances where it's sometimes difficult to fathom what is right and what is wrong; what is ethical and what isn't, etc. when it's all coming at us almost faster than we can absorb it. Maybe that's why there is such a large audience for shows of that period, we can absolutely relate to them. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 22:13:56 GMT
Here's some info on another early "spitfire" (from New York)...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Edwards_Walker. Had she been living in Toronto during Murdoch's time in StationHouse 4, he would have spent most of his responding to complaints about her I bet! Ooh a spy! Females have historically been used as spies in high places. It would be interesting if MM got involved in a case of trading captured ones (see all the politics around the Bergdahl case in the U.S.). Or if Meyers tried to recruit Emily for some job, and the Station House 4 guys found out about it... |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 22:26:05 GMT
Fascinating times. All the ideas, theories, writings, etc. that were being put "out there" in those days. It was probably just as mind-blowing to live in that time in history as it is to live with today's almost daily technological advances where it's sometimes difficult to fathom what is right and what is wrong; what is ethical and what isn't, etc. when it's all coming at us almost faster than we can absorb it. Maybe that's why there is such a large audience for shows of that period, we can absolutely relate to them. There are certain periods of history which seem to foster a general cultural and intellectual crisis - religious skepticism/conversion/apostasy, rapid scientific advancement, world-perspective-changing-discoveries, intense creativity, and social revolutions. I'm not sure about the late 19th century, but in the era I'm more familiar with (the 17th c.), there was also extreme climate change (causing harvest failures) and rapid demographic shifts. I'm not sure about the climate change, but I'd bet the demographic shifts were there because the industrial revolution and transportation built up the economic base. And Malthus complained about the population. Anyway, there seem to be certain factors that converge into a whirlpool of "general crisis", which scholars thought we were experiencing in this era (I'm not sure when the starting date is - it could be anything from Vietnam to the Internet - whatever makes us Question All Authority and embrace relativism). I regarded this as a replay of the 17th century, and one of the fun things I learned from MM is that's a feature of the late 19th/early 20th century as well. Now the real question: are there periodic cycles?  |
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Post by carco on Jun 5, 2014 22:32:08 GMT
Here's some info on another early "spitfire" (from New York)...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Edwards_Walker. Had she been living in Toronto during Murdoch's time in StationHouse 4, he would have spent most of his responding to complaints about her I bet! Ooh a spy! Females have historically been used as spies in high places. It would be interesting if MM got involved in a case of trading captured ones (see all the politics around the Bergdahl case in the U.S.). Or if Meyers tried to recruit Emily for some job, and the Station House 4 guys found out about it... That was my thought too , I could see Emily involved in some clandestine spying thing thanks to Meyers and much to Murdoch's chagrin and George's horror! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 6, 2014 0:24:14 GMT
Ooh a spy! Females have historically been used as spies in high places. It would be interesting if MM got involved in a case of trading captured ones (see all the politics around the Bergdahl case in the U.S.). Or if Meyers tried to recruit Emily for some job, and the Station House 4 guys found out about it... That was my thought too , I could see Emily involved in some clandestine spying thing thanks to Meyers and much to Murdoch's chagrin and George's horror! I suspect Emily has a streak of over-confidence that would make her susceptible to someone like Meyers. George having to bail her out would be his best revenge. I think they should reconcile as friends, but not get back together over it. |
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). Interesting though since it was about 100 yrs. later that women were being urged to burn their bras. 
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