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Post by lovemondays on Jun 15, 2014 16:26:08 GMT
Interesting point. William has demonstrated a bit of contradiction about the dark places of men. In "The Green Muse" William is distinctly uncomfortable discussing sex play involving whips with Julia, yet in another episode he fantasizes about Julia in a dominatrix role. Hmmm. A very proper man indeed.
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Post by snacky on Jun 15, 2014 16:52:52 GMT
Interesting point. William has demonstrated a bit of contradiction about the dark places of men. In "The Green Muse" William is distinctly uncomfortable discussing sex play involving whips with Julia, yet in another episode he fantasizes about Julia in a dominatrix role. Hmmm. A very proper man indeed. Wow, I never made that connection, but you're right! Great point! This is very much in keeping with Victorian (and Catholic confession-repression) hypocrisy. I loved Julia as Dominatrix: the Cabaret look was in keeping with MM's light style. (And surrealist style, too, if I might add!). But I'm sure if Julia so much as snapped a garter at him, William would be horrified, lol. It's amazing William has let Julia hypnotize him. Maybe some secret side of him does want to reveal those "dark places" to her, just like the Snakes and Ladders guy wanted someone to catch him. The real of fun of this is the show itself is just getting into the age of Freud and Jung when the scary workings of the unconscious will become a general cultural obsession. Ps. I can't remember whether this book will have anything particularly relevant, but one classic book on the decadent aspects of the period is "Fin de Siecle Vienna" by Schorske. Maybe I should hunt that down. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 15, 2014 17:41:13 GMT
It all goes back to William's religious indoctrination and the eternal battle of the soul to repent one's sins of both thought and deed. Poor William. He is a perpetual sinner, because humans can be nothing but, yet he is no more than a man who's biological makeup creates sexual needs. Fortunately he has Julia to act as a counterweight for his moral debate.
The breadth of your studies is mind boggling snacky XD!
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Post by snacky on Jun 15, 2014 17:52:55 GMT
It all goes back to William's religious indoctrination and the eternal battle of the soul to repent one's sins of both thought and deed. Poor William. He is a perpetual sinner, because humans can be nothing but, yet he is no more than a man who's biological makeup creates sexual needs. Fortunately he has Julia to act as a counterweight for his moral debate. The breadth of your studies is mind boggling snacky XD! It must be difficult for William to send others to the noose while letting himself get off scot free. I wonder what's the worse penance he's ever done? Ooh, that might make a good episode right there. >.> I have a breadth of interests rather than studies: if they were studies I'd be busy and important instead of hanging around with time on my hands to chat. XD But I do love to think about these things. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 15, 2014 18:23:57 GMT
William doesn't even ponder the possibility that he deserves the noose. That is reserved for people who break the law in deed. His worst crime is thinking lustful thoughts, punishable not by death, but in death by God. And people wonder why organized religion is on the decline. Hmph.
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Post by snacky on Jun 15, 2014 18:41:21 GMT
William doesn't even ponder the possibility that he deserves the noose. That is reserved for people who break the law in deed. His worst crime is thinking lustful thoughts, punishable not by death, but in death by God. And people wonder why organized religion is on the decline. Hmph. Haha, if The Filmed Adventures is correct, William doesn't even ponder over the state of his soul: he just solves the problem. If there was a King of Compartmentalization, William would be occupying that throne! XD The thing about the Freudian age, though, is people began to worry about the line between thought and deed and question the stability of those boundaries. This is what's really going to pull the carpet out from under William over the next decade, though Julia might enjoy the new spirit immensely (and Sally Pendrick was obviously already feeling the zeitgeist). Your comment reminded me of some things I've read about the origins of various religious movements, from Protestantism to the Jehovah's Witnesses. One of the common threads was that the Catholic concept of your Immortal soul being damned and tormented FOREVER became obsessively disturbing to some people, driving them to a sort of psychological revolution that allowed them to create or convert to an entirely new religion. (That's pretty radical if you think about it: renouncing the entire fabric of the universe as you know it). I wonder what would happen if William did something that he seriously thought would place his soul in peril, so that it would be tormented FOREVER. Would he fall into religious despair or would he say "frak this religion" and convert to Protestantism or even become an atheist? |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 0:09:58 GMT
I can't imagine William doing anything that would put his soul in that kind of peril. The closest he's come is releasing Ava Moon from jail and killing the Black Hand assassin. Without his Catholicism he wouldn't be our William. His world (and mine for that matter) would shift on its axis.
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 2:04:36 GMT
I can't imagine William doing anything that would put his soul in that kind of peril. The closest he's come is releasing Ava Moon from jail and killing the Black Hand assassin. Without his Catholicism he wouldn't be our William. His world (and mine for that matter) would shift on its axis. Those two events show that things can happen outside William's control that might put his soul in peril: he just needs to be caught in some sort of dilemma where all the choices are bad. I agree William should remain a Catholic. But I'm a fan of him going through a "crisis of faith" and/or being excommunicated temporarily for dramatic purposes. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangsty. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 2:26:36 GMT
Maybe you should be writing for the show! You do love the angst  . |
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 3:07:06 GMT
Maybe you should be writing for the show! You do love the angst . I do love angst, but I'm a much better critic than I am a writer. At least when it comes to fiction.  But I'm also good at grovelling, so I can grovel for more angst! Let's turn the screws on William, writers! Woo hoo! |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 4:02:23 GMT
To be fair, William has born the brunt of the angst in this relationship. IMHO, Julia has gotten off fairly lightly considering how much of the angst has been a direct result of her decisions. Admittedly, she had a rough go over Darcy's murder, but in the grand scheme of things she's been looking out for number 1.
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 4:35:53 GMT
To be fair, William has born the brunt of the angst in this relationship. IMHO, Julia has gotten off fairly lightly considering how much of the angst has been a direct result of her decisions. Admittedly, she had a rough go over Darcy's murder, but in the grand scheme of things she's been looking out for number 1. I focus on William because he's the protagonist of the show, and as a (hetero) woman I tend to pay more attention to what's going on with the guy in the relationship. XD But I agree that Julia got off pretty lightly. I was irked at how she disregarded the ramifications of her divorce for William's religious beliefs. I really wish that episode had made some effort to explain why William would have qualms, despite carrying a torch for Julia for so long. This was something that was tough for the audience, as well as Julia, to swallow. But then again, before Julia suggested annulment, which William himself thought was implausible, what did he think they were going to do? How were they going to get married if she didn't get divorced? I wouldn't mind seeing some more Julia angst. I loved watching her save William's life on Murdoch Ahoy. Maybe it's her turn to solve a mystery with his life at stake? |
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Post by snacky on Jul 4, 2014 21:51:48 GMT
I wanted to do a multimedia project with William perv moments but I think the credit issues for the gifs would be to complicated. Instead I think I'll just post a running collection in this thread and reference it. Though William waits for the invite in real life, I suspect he's a tad more aggressive in those "dark places" he's trying to suppress.    Credits for these two: 22OntarioStreet Credit: murdochmysteriescrazy.tumblr.com |
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Post by snacky on Jul 4, 2014 22:04:14 GMT
Here are scenes with rather speculative glances. While I don't regularly mention it, I get all my screencaps from Grande Caps.    I would really like a gif of the Anna scene, because you need to see the look William flicks her way when he says "nice~" to understand what's going on in this scene. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 4, 2014 22:45:05 GMT
William gives Anna these eyes, but he sees a vision of Julia in lingerie (not available in Grande Caps). Does someone have a pic of this?  Credit: 22OntarioStreet And then there is the whole episode of the nudist colony. I really wish I had a gif of his reaction to discovering Julia, too. I find it very interesting how William can maintain his composure in these circumstances. It seemed like he had to work to stay professional and avoid the temptation of dark places when confronted with titillating pictures (In the Altogether) and pornographic literature (Stroll on the Wild Side. Yet by the time of Murdoch Au Natural, he can go about his business in a camp full of naked people ( click here for more gifs from 22OntarioStreet) and even process the idea that Julia was running around naked, too. Perhaps it's the special powers of the homburg. To quote William in Lochness Murdoch: "I believe in propriety, no matter the temperature." Well, I'm sure his temperature was rising internally.  The last pic I have in my "perv" collection is from the Convalescence daydream. There is no way to tell whether this is a daydream or a memory. We could put it in the same category as the Murdoch Identity "lingerie pic" (which I don't hove). Anyway, if it's a daydream, it's evidence William is "going all the way" in his fantasies about Julia. |
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