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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 5:44:17 GMT
Even then she was baiting him! OMG, so much bait! I spotted a sweeping breast glance right before Julia's reference to the "vigorous" rendezvous (which really caught William off guard). But, yeah, she totally intended for William to come see her unbuttoned and exercising, and she totally intended to make him blush with her brazen description of body parts and the rendezvous. btw, that was the aspect of the show that reminded me of Mulder and Scully: Julia's "in your face" discussions of sex, not her Victorian flirtation techniques. I really have to question why William didn't take the bait sooner. He admitted to Ruby he was interested, and Julia did everything but hold up a neon sign saying "TAKE ME NOW!" in that scene. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 5:46:26 GMT
Argh! What was in the note? I think the note just asked him to meet her (she had new autopsy results to report, but she probably left it mysterious). I love how William hid the note from George. He looked like he was hoping there was something more personal in it! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 5:52:38 GMT
Argh! What was in the note? I think the note just asked him to meet her (she had new autopsy results to report, but she probably left it mysterious). I love how William hid the note from George. He looked like he was hoping there was something more personal in it! William, I have something you'd like to see. You'll want to see this. Come by the park at 5:30. Julia |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 5:54:03 GMT
Argh! What was in the note? I think the note just asked him to meet her (she had new autopsy results to report, but she probably left it mysterious). I love how William hid the note from George. He looked like he was hoping there was something more personal in it! Oh George was dying for fodder. George is the precinct gossip digging for some new juicy info-it's just one of the many reasons we love him. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 6:02:38 GMT
I think the note just asked him to meet her (she had new autopsy results to report, but she probably left it mysterious). I love how William hid the note from George. He looked like he was hoping there was something more personal in it! William, I have something you'd like to see. You'll want to see this. Come by the park at 5:30. Julia Of course he might have missed the note she wrote in invisible ink/lemon juice. If you can read this, meet me by the oak tree at midnight, and I won't be wearing a corset. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 6:04:37 GMT
Oh George was dying for fodder. George is the precinct gossip digging for some new juicy info-it's just one of the many reasons we love him. I love how Brackenreid knows it, too: "Someone broke up...why didn't I hear about this...?!" None of this separating business/personal life mess we have going on these days! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 6:10:19 GMT
Oh George was dying for fodder. George is the precinct gossip digging for some new juicy info-it's just one of the many reasons we love him. I love how Brackenreid knows it, too: "Someone broke up...why didn't I hear about this...?!" None of this separating business/personal life mess we have going on these days! I love how B does nothing to quell it-but def allows it. He's not encouraging it, per se, by adding to it, but he's def listening. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 6:12:23 GMT
William, I have something you'd like to see. You'll want to see this. Come by the park at 5:30. Julia Of course he might have missed the note she wrote in invisible ink/lemon juice. If you can read this, meet me by the oak tree at midnight, and I won't be wearing a corset. William didn't discover that until a few days later. He was most unhappy with himself-which made for an extremely interesting confession session next week . |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 6:45:52 GMT
I love how B does nothing to quell it-but def allows it. He's not encouraging it, per se, by adding to it, but he's def listening. Workplace romances are not verboten either. They are just occasion for having a drink!  |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 6:49:45 GMT
This was the most interesting Confession ever since the priest was actually absent. Ever since William stood her up at the Oak tree, Julia had been stalking him. She followed him into the church, and when she realized William was alone in the confession box, she pounced!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 15:19:09 GMT
This was the most interesting Confession ever since the priest was actually absent. Ever since William stood her up at the Oak tree, Julia had been stalking him. She followed him into the church, and when she realized William was alone in the confession box, she pounced!
"Forgive me father, I have sinned." William began.
"I'll say." a high, feminine voice replied.
"Father?" William asked, becoming confused.
A snort. "Try again, William" the strange voice replied.
"Julia? How...what...why..." William stammered. "Wait a minute, I've sinned?" He asked.
"Yes, you didn't show up to our rendezvous. You left me waiting, half-naked, alone. You never came."
"I see. And how would I atone for this sin?" he asked".
"You can come with me, at once. And stop asking questions." she ordered.
"Yes, at once." he answered.
He hoped that one of the priests would be there tomorrow. He would have even more to confess.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 15:21:25 GMT
Even then she was baiting him! OMG, so much bait! I spotted a sweeping breast glance right before Julia's reference to the "vigorous" rendezvous (which really caught William off guard). But, yeah, she totally intended for William to come see her unbuttoned and exercising, and she totally intended to make him blush with her brazen description of body parts and the rendezvous. btw, that was the aspect of the show that reminded me of Mulder and Scully: Julia's "in your face" discussions of sex, not her Victorian flirtation techniques. I really have to question why William didn't take the bait sooner. He admitted to Ruby he was interested, and Julia did everything but hold up a neon sign saying "TAKE ME NOW!" in that scene. Because he is a cautious man. Julia eventually realized this, and started baiting him into making moves-he's too far into his head to initiate. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 20:14:42 GMT
He hoped that one of the priests would be there tomorrow. He would have even more to confess.
"Oh by the way, this morning I may have forgotten to put on my-," The rest of what Julia was about to reveal was lost in the rustle of petticoats as she led William up the narrow winding stairs of the bell tower.
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 20:23:49 GMT
Because he is a cautious man. Julia eventually realized this, and started baiting him into making moves-he's too far into his head to initiate. I think a woman has to PHYSICALLY make the first move. I mean, if William stood by while Julia showed her cleavage to him, used the word "penis", and talked about "vigorous" rendezvous, what does it take? Basically a woman has to grab him and pull him in. Otherwise he will just stand there and fantasize about a possible encounter, lol.  But on the bright side, in a Victorian setting, things are probably safer that way. At the upper levels of society that William was aiming for, you were supposed to court a woman a while before proposing marriage. But what people actually did was different. Since William wasn't from that class in the first place, I'm sure it was all the more difficult to figure things out. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Jul 28, 2014 20:35:51 GMT
Interesting point. William has demonstrated a bit of contradiction about the dark places of men. In "The Green Muse" William is distinctly uncomfortable discussing sex play involving whips with Julia, yet in another episode he fantasizes about Julia in a dominatrix role. Hmmm. A very proper man indeed. I know I'm late in this discussion, but I want to mention a few points concerning the sexual roles of men and women in the nineteenth and most of the twentieth centuries.
There is an inherent dichotomy in the view of the sexual roles of men and women. The reasons for this are lost in the mists of time, but almost all cultures throughout human history demonstrate it in some form or another. We cannot lay the blame for it at the feet of the church, Catholic or Protestant. In Ancient Rome, the legal and social strictures on married life made it seem like a paradise of domestic bliss, yet we know from the historic record that promiscuity was if not universal, at least it was popular. Nevertheless, adultery could be punished by death. However there was a stipulation in the law stating that sex with slaves could not be considered adultery since slaves were, in essence, non-persons. This elasticity in the rules of behavior regarding sex exists in most societies.
With all of the cultural garbage about sex it is no wonder that WM, or anybody else in the nineteenth century for that matter, was confused about sex. In the nineteenth century, most brides and many grooms were virgins when they married. A bride was expected to be perfectly innocent of anything sexual yet somehow the groom was expected to know what to do. Nevertheless, she was supposed to be a willing participant in sexual relations with her husband whether he knew what he was doing or not. The idea of her enjoying sex was anathema to most "moral" people. At this point we come to the first of many contradictions in sexual attitudes of that to a degree exist today.
The woman's pleasure during sex was not considered as part of the equation. By definition, a man was satisfied, at least to agree, by the fact that he experienced climax. It was an enlightened man, indeed, who considered his wife's satisfaction and who was willing to accommodate her.
The flip side of this viewpoint was that a woman who found and even sought sexual pleasure was somehow or other immoral or depraved. After all, a woman in the throws of passion sexually excited men therefore it had to be in some way or other connected to the devil. Nevertheless, a man was not held responsible if the gave into the urges he felt, but the woman was.
And here the mind bending circular argument for the justification for men's enjoyment of sex and the woman's acceptance, but not enjoyment of sex, begins.
It is because of this convoluted and really sick societal viewpoint of sexual relations that has caused so many misconceptions about sex.
The line between "proper" sexual relations between a husband and wife and those that were "immoral" was very thin indeed, and anything that was remotely enjoyable was "improper." read evil, sinful. There was no gray area at all, so the "acceptable" range of sexual experience was equally narrow. What we think of as having great sex and lots of fun within the confines of marriage would have dumbfounded most Victorians, but by no means all of them. Nevertheless, even today there are men who believe their wives are some sort of "sacred" vessel and their lovemaking is not at all adventurous. Some of those men, like their grandfathers and great-grandfathers, look to other means of sexual gratification.
What does this have to do with William Murdoch and the dirty pictures? Well, he is a man of his time and (I believe) a virgin. He knew that intercourse existed and even knew how it was supposed to be done, but he believed it was meant for the procreation of children. Anything that departed from that essential role of sex was wrong and lead to degradation.
Enjoying the experience as a way to strengthen a relationship was an idea he had never thought of, but I am betting he will soon discover the wonders that await him and Julia. Furthermore, I suspect his theoretical "knowledge" of things sexual is far more extensive than practical.
If you read all this blather, thanks.
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