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Post by snacky on Jun 28, 2014 19:08:14 GMT
No one is posting news here anymore? O.o So far we know the "10% darker" Season 8 is covering dockside gangs, William's logging camp past, and there's hope for a wedding. Also we all know Brackenreid's not dead.  But the best news of all is the Woman's Suffrage movement is coming to Toronto at last. Time for the ladies to kick some ass!   |
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Post by carco on Jun 29, 2014 0:40:56 GMT
No one is posting news here anymore? O.o So far we know the "10% darker" Season 8 is covering dockside gangs, William's logging camp past, and there's hope for a wedding. Also we all know Brackenreid's not dead. But the best news of all is the Woman's Suffrage movement is coming to Toronto at last. Time for the ladies to kick some ass! Hey snacky.... in Canada it is sort of a long weekend right now. Canada Day is July 1 but has to be celebrated on July 1 so it's the weekend, then Monday, then there's a holiday. Add to that, it's quite hot and humid this week so probably lots of people are outside or out of town, on vacation, etc. I saw the new pics posted on facebook and the suffragette episode looks like it will be great. Julia looks stunning as usual. I imagine it was a crazy time for the men ---- not knowing what to make of their (usually) quiet, well behaved, god-fearing wives/mothers/daughters. They would have heard about the movement hitting other countries and cities in Canada well before the movement hit Toronto so they would have felt threatened by it no doubt. And for those very same reasons, the women would have been pretty heated up about the subject. So it was not just a political matter but it likely pitted many women against the men in their lives. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 29, 2014 0:57:52 GMT
Hey snacky.... in Canada it is sort of a long weekend right now. Canada Day is July 1 but has to be celebrated on July 1 so it's the weekend, then Monday, then there's a holiday. Add to that, it's quite hot and humid this week so probably lots of people are outside or out of town, on vacation, etc. I saw the new pics posted on facebook and the suffragette episode looks like it will be great. Julia looks stunning as usual. I imagine it was a crazy time for the men ---- not knowing what to make of their (usually) quiet, well behaved, god-fearing wives/mothers/daughters. They would have heard about the movement hitting other countries and cities in Canada well before the movement hit Toronto so they would have felt threatened by it no doubt. And for those very same reasons, the women would have been pretty heated up about the subject. So it was not just a political matter but it likely pitted many women against the men in their lives. I only have a vague knowledge of American history, but I have the impression that it was quite a pitched battle. Women were arrested, went on hunger strikes, and were force fed. It was a huge mentality shift. In former legal interpretations, women were dependents of men: either fathers, husbands, other family members, or they were wards of the State. This had led to religious and social ideas that women weren't quite human or did not have souls. Similar ramifications can be seen in the Islamic world where men go to heaven and still get served by their wives or female houris: women are not perceived as autonomous self-directed individuals. Anyway, I hope MM doesn't punt on Julia and Emily's involvement in this. I hope there is turmoil and men flipping out and women getting thrown in jail. This is what we learn from what happens to people who try to take a moral stand today: they aren't celebrated - they get punished for it. I want to see MM tell it as it is.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jun 29, 2014 6:05:11 GMT
Hey snacky.... in Canada it is sort of a long weekend right now. Canada Day is July 1 but has to be celebrated on July 1 so it's the weekend, then Monday, then there's a holiday. Add to that, it's quite hot and humid this week so probably lots of people are outside or out of town, on vacation, etc. I saw the new pics posted on facebook and the suffragette episode looks like it will be great. Julia looks stunning as usual. I imagine it was a crazy time for the men ---- not knowing what to make of their (usually) quiet, well behaved, god-fearing wives/mothers/daughters. They would have heard about the movement hitting other countries and cities in Canada well before the movement hit Toronto so they would have felt threatened by it no doubt. And for those very same reasons, the women would have been pretty heated up about the subject. So it was not just a political matter but it likely pitted many women against the men in their lives. I only have a vague knowledge of American history, but I have the impression that it was quite a pitched battle. Women were arrested, went on hunger strikes, and were force fed. It was a huge mentality shift. In former legal interpretations, women were dependents of men: either fathers, husbands, other family members, or they were wards of the State. This had led to religious and social ideas that women weren't quite human or did not have souls. Similar ramifications can be seen in the Islamic world where men go to heaven and still get served by their wives or female houris: women are not perceived as autonomous self-directed individuals. Anyway, I hope MM doesn't punt on Julia and Emily's involvement in this. I hope there is turmoil and men flipping out and women getting thrown in jail. This is what we learn from what happens to people who try to take a moral stand today: they aren't celebrated - they get punished for it. I want to see MM tell it as it is. Having been a US History teacher once upon a time, married women got property rights nationwide during Reconstruction. Besides Anthony, Mott, Cady-Stanton, et al., the Pankhurst ladies of Britain would certainly provide interesting fodder. In fact, I wonder if any of the Pankhursts made it to Canada in the early 20th? |
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Post by snacky on Jun 29, 2014 6:14:18 GMT
Having been a US History teacher once upon a time, married women got property rights nationwide during Reconstruction. Besides Anthony, Mott, Cady-Stanton, et al., the Pankhurst ladies of Britain would certainly provide interesting fodder. In fact, I wonder if any of the Pankhursts made it to Canada in the early 20th? Yay, it's great when someone has some actual knowledge to bring to the table! If there were historical VIPs that could have been in the vicinity, I'm sure MM will make the most of it for the sake of Brackenreid's autograph book. What sort of fodder could we be in for? |
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Post by carco on Jun 29, 2014 14:48:37 GMT
Having been a US History teacher once upon a time, married women got property rights nationwide during Reconstruction. Besides Anthony, Mott, Cady-Stanton, et al., the Pankhurst ladies of Britain would certainly provide interesting fodder. In fact, I wonder if any of the Pankhursts made it to Canada in the early 20th? Yay, it's great when someone has some actual knowledge to bring to the table! If there were historical VIPs that could have been in the vicinity, I'm sure MM will make the most of it for the sake of Brackenreid's autograph book. What sort of fodder could we be in for? You may want to read this as preparation for the episode! www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/womens-suffrage/Being a woman doctor, Julia would have looked up to Dr. Emily Stowe for years and probably also fully supported Dr. Augusta Stowe in her suffragette activities. Hah....let the games begin!! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 29, 2014 16:25:21 GMT
You may want to read this as preparation for the episode! www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/womens-suffrage/Being a woman doctor, Julia would have looked up to Dr. Emily Stowe for years and probably also fully supported Dr. Augusta Stowe in her suffragette activities. Hah....let the games begin!! Since I don't know much about American and Canadian history, it might just be a coincidence in the way I'm receiving this information, but doesn't it seem like female physicians are taking the lead in general in the pursuit of women's rights? Maybe it's not just because of their struggle to gain professional status, but because they are in a position to call B.S. on myths about the female body like the "wandering womb" and such. I do hope the MM writers don't punt on this. The fight for Women's Suffrage was one of the most important, and one of the toughest fights in history. It's what academics call an epistemological shift, and if you want to compare it to a tectonic shift it's a 10.0 on the rictor scale. The audience deserves to see some Women of Action.  |
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Post by carco on Jun 29, 2014 20:37:56 GMT
You may want to read this as preparation for the episode! www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/womens-suffrage/Being a woman doctor, Julia would have looked up to Dr. Emily Stowe for years and probably also fully supported Dr. Augusta Stowe in her suffragette activities. Hah....let the games begin!! Since I don't know much about American and Canadian history, it might just be a coincidence in the way I'm receiving this information, but doesn't it seem like female physicians are taking the lead in general in the pursuit of women's rights? Maybe it's not just because of their struggle to gain professional status, but because they are in a position to call B.S. on myths about the female body like the "wandering womb" and such. I do hope the MM writers don't punt on this. The fight for Women's Suffrage was one of the most important, and one of the toughest fights in history. It's what academics call an epistemological shift, and if you want to compare it to a tectonic shift it's a 10.0 on the rictor scale. The audience deserves to see some Women of Action. Regarding the women doctors taking the lead, possibly it's a matter of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile". Early women doctors had to fight bureaucracy and men just to be allowed into medical school. Heck, after that what could stop them? Pffft.....I'll wager most men didn't understand why the women weren't completely satisfied with voting for school trustees. Yep, the topic is huge and could be a mini-series on it's own. Likely MM will weave it into the background fabric for a few episodes until there is a burst of action where the police are involved. It will probably be handled in similar fashion to the Anarchist movement. To give it any more air time would have the "mystery" fan base up in arms about Julia taking over the storylines, etc. The seeds of this movement have been mentioned in passing over the seasons of MM: - Julia own's property (her own home and Darcy's). By 1900 being a "propertied" woman gave her municipal voting privileges. I doubt Mrs. B has joint ownership of the Brackenreid home and likely Emily doesn't own a home so Julia is the only "Propertied" woman of the 3 - The Dr.'s Stowe spearheaded the Ontario campaign and formed a club. From 1889 to later in the 1900's the club was called the "Dominion Women's Enfranchisement Association". Sound familiar? We know Emily and Julia were members of that group. I don't know how many members there were in Toronto but you'll recall they lost a few after the girl's night out on the island.  ( I have always wondered....did William ever ask Julia if she enjoyed her weekend with the girls? ) -in the 1890's valuable support of the suffragette movement came from the "Woman's Christian Temperance Union". Didn't Margaret B. get involved with that group? Assuming the "mister" survived and is not in crisis at the time of this episode, I could see Margaret getting involved in the voting issue as much as Emily and Julia. - sad to say, whatever boats the ladies rocked in 1902, it was 1917 before the Ontario suffragettes knew victory. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 29, 2014 20:48:52 GMT
Regarding the women doctors taking the lead, possibly it's a matter of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile". Early women doctors had to fight bureaucracy and men just to be allowed into medical school. Heck, after that what could stop them? Pffft.....I'll wager most men didn't understand why the women weren't completely satisfied with voting for school trustees. Yep, the topic is huge and could be a mini-series on it's own. Likely MM will weave it into the background fabric for a few episodes until there is a burst of action where the police are involved. It will probably be handled in similar fashion to the Anarchist movement. To give it any more air time would have the "mystery" fan base up in arms about Julia taking over the storylines, etc. The seeds of this movement have been mentioned in passing over the seasons of MM: - Julia own's property (her own home and Darcy's). By 1900 being a "propertied" woman gave her municipal voting privileges. I doubt Mrs. B has joint ownership of the Brackenreid home and likely Emily doesn't own a home so Julia is the only "Propertied" woman of the 3 - The Dr.'s Stowe spearheaded the Ontario campaign and formed a club. From 1889 to later in the 1900's the club was called the "Dominion Women's Enfranchisement Association". Sound familiar? We know Emily and Julia were members of that group. I don't know how many members there were in Toronto but you'll recall they lost a few after the girl's night out on the island. ( I have always wondered....did William ever ask Julia if she enjoyed her weekend with the girls? ) -in the 1890's valuable support of the suffragette movement came from the "Woman's Christian Temperance Union". Didn't Margaret B. get involved with that group? Assuming the "mister" survived and is not in crisis at the time of this episode, I could see Margaret getting involved in the voting issue as much as Emily and Julia. - sad to say, whatever boats the ladies rocked in 1902, it was 1917 before the Ontario suffragettes knew victory. But when Julia gets married, William will own the property! D: I wonder if it will come up that she will lose the vote if she gets married? D: |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jun 30, 2014 5:35:46 GMT
Regarding the women doctors taking the lead, possibly it's a matter of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile". Early women doctors had to fight bureaucracy and men just to be allowed into medical school. Heck, after that what could stop them? Pffft.....I'll wager most men didn't understand why the women weren't completely satisfied with voting for school trustees. Yep, the topic is huge and could be a mini-series on it's own. Likely MM will weave it into the background fabric for a few episodes until there is a burst of action where the police are involved. It will probably be handled in similar fashion to the Anarchist movement. To give it any more air time would have the "mystery" fan base up in arms about Julia taking over the storylines, etc. The seeds of this movement have been mentioned in passing over the seasons of MM: - Julia own's property (her own home and Darcy's). By 1900 being a "propertied" woman gave her municipal voting privileges. I doubt Mrs. B has joint ownership of the Brackenreid home and likely Emily doesn't own a home so Julia is the only "Propertied" woman of the 3 - The Dr.'s Stowe spearheaded the Ontario campaign and formed a club. From 1889 to later in the 1900's the club was called the "Dominion Women's Enfranchisement Association". Sound familiar? We know Emily and Julia were members of that group. I don't know how many members there were in Toronto but you'll recall they lost a few after the girl's night out on the island. ( I have always wondered....did William ever ask Julia if she enjoyed her weekend with the girls? ) -in the 1890's valuable support of the suffragette movement came from the "Woman's Christian Temperance Union". Didn't Margaret B. get involved with that group? Assuming the "mister" survived and is not in crisis at the time of this episode, I could see Margaret getting involved in the voting issue as much as Emily and Julia. - sad to say, whatever boats the ladies rocked in 1902, it was 1917 before the Ontario suffragettes knew victory. But when Julia gets married, William will own the property! D: I wonder if it will come up that she will lose the vote if she gets married? D: Interesting stuff here: www.ournellie.com/womens-suffrage/history-of-womens-rightsThere was the Married Women's Property Acts of 1870, and 1882 for the UK, but I can't tell whether or not that applied to Canada.. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 30, 2014 6:14:43 GMT
But when Julia gets married, William will own the property! D: I wonder if it will come up that she will lose the vote if she gets married? D: Interesting stuff here: www.ournellie.com/womens-suffrage/history-of-womens-rightsThere was the Married Women's Property Acts of 1870, and 1882 for the UK, but I can't tell whether or not that applied to Canada.. While Canada inherited the British legal system, I think the actual laws were its own. |
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(I have always wondered....did William ever ask Julia if she enjoyed her weekend with the girls? )