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Post by snacky on Sept 21, 2014 1:20:51 GMT
I think that MURDOCH starts with adjectives which make Sarah PENSELL and us think that their relationship is strictly professional.
As he did, it was as if he wanted to convince himself. And then he gradually realizes that Julia is more than a coworker, that he is physically attracted by her and therefore he finishes with "beautiful"
Ooh that's an interesting way to look at it - maybe William came to realize more about himself as he played "word association"! |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 21, 2014 3:10:08 GMT
I'm with Snacky, I think the info should be more available and "out there" as well. I would put it even more strongly. I resent that the best info is trundled away for the Facebook club. Facebook raises very real privacy concerns. It requires use of "real identity" and makes sweeps to delete accounts, after you've invested quite a bit into them, if you try to circumvent that rule. Recently this has raised concerns among transgendered folk who want to be known by their "performance" names, and who don't see why actors get to use their stage names on Facebook while their real "public-facing" names are banned. Facebook's information-gathering, advertising, and social engineering aspects are insidious. Facebook is also used for external "social scoring" metrics that many people in the U.S. would like to step away from. Using Facebook can be addictive, sapping away time that can be used in more productive ways. The best way to not get addicted is to not use Facebook. Some people have jobs that involve using Facebook, which make it impossible, or at least unwise, for them to engage in personal use at the same time. The social dynamics represented by Facebook can be philosophically objectionable. It's about showing off how many "friends" you have. Facebook communities are filters, and hence echo chambers. They reinforce the opinions of the people inside them. They tend to create mini power dramas as well with self-important leaders emerging, unpopular opinions being suppressed, and drama ensuing. In terms of marketing MM, hiding the digital assets in a Facebook group IS JUST STUPID! This forum, for instance, indexes very well on Google. Half the time when I Google MM, my own posts come up! Nothing on Facebook does. Facebook is a BLACK HOLE as far as marketing is concerned. All Facebook does is sop the egos of a particular club of people who are on Facebook. I really wish MM had a social marketing team with a broader vision. What info would that be that's trundled away on fb? As far as MM goes most if not all of the stuff that's posted on the CBC MM page is also available on twitter. You wouldn't always want to know what people are posting on the MMAS page, much of it is droll. I'm on fb but not necessarily a fan, I only joined because of a friend. However I've found it to be enlightening as far as my other hobby is concerned as people from all over the world educate with their knowledge and expertise which wouldn't be as readily available any other way. I don't use my name on fb either and so far I haven't been booted off. Fb has it's place, you just have to use it wisely unfortunately most people don't.... |
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Post by bloodyfruitfly on Sept 21, 2014 3:24:31 GMT
I never thought of that about Julia over psycho-analyzing Murdoch. Hopefully she won't be annoying about it. Have you seen the butterflies episode yet (Season 7)? It's one of my least favorite precisely because it does give William a phony fear just for the sake of Julia being able to psychoanalyze it. Yes, once, not one of my favorite episodes either. I agree it seemed a sloppy way to set up Julia to begin psychoanalyzing and setting up future episodes that will deal with Murdoch's past. But if I had to choose between that episode and the Gillies train episode I would take the murdoch phobia episode.  I am watching season 1 and 2 over again and I have to admit I do like that Julia the most, and the way her and William work together. But relationship wise I like them in season 6 and 7, mostly because William is beginning to come out of his shell and beginning to stand his ground with Julia more. She is still in charge, but aren't most women. At least that's what the hubby says.  ...... |
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Post by snacky on Sept 21, 2014 3:32:13 GMT
What info would that be that's trundled away on fb? As far as MM goes most if not all of the stuff that's posted on the CBC MM page is also available on twitter. You wouldn't always want to know what people are posting on the MMAS page, much of it is droll. I'm on fb but not necessarily a fan, I only joined because of a friend. However I've found it to be enlightening as far as my other hobby is concerned as people from all over the world educate with their knowledge and expertise which wouldn't be as readily available any other way. I don't use my name on fb either and so far I haven't been booted off. Fb has it's place, you just have to use it wisely unfortunately most people don't.... Everything I said about FB goes for Twitter as well! If you're enjoying FB with your friends, more power to you. My complaint is with CBC and the MM team focusing their releases of show information there. (Including that "whiteboard Wednesday"). By the way one good example is poor Eus missing her chance at the Open House just because she was not lurking in the right time/place for the FB release of that info. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 21, 2014 3:42:20 GMT
I am watching season 1 and 2 over again and I have to admit I do like that Julia the most, and the way her and William work together. But relationship wise I like them in season 6 and 7, mostly because William is beginning to come out of his shell and beginning to stand his ground with Julia more. She is still in charge, but aren't most women. At least that's what the hubby says. ...... One of the things I love about MM is how in this supposedly rigid, patriarchal society, the women are very much in charge and occasionally outright bad ass - and the decent men respect and love them and know when to give them the reigns. The men who try to be patronizing ultimately look like idiots themselves. At the same time MM is realistic about the barriers women faced, and even headstrong women crash against the system. To be fair, various hierarchies work against the men, too (re: William's Catholicism prevents him from ever being promoted). Anyway, I MM gave me a new idea about that time period: that women actually had to be stronger - just so they could get along in a world where the forces were that much more arrayed against them. |
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Post by ziggy on Sept 21, 2014 4:06:11 GMT
There are several years that need to be accounted for in William's past. He left school at 17 or 18 to go to the lumber camps. They only did lumbering for about eight months of the year, so what did he do the other four months of the years he was a lumberjack? If he stayed with lumbering for ten years he would have been 28 when he came to Toronto and if he joined the Constabulary immediately (and I assume WM is about 44) that means he has been on the force for sixteen years. That tracks more or less, with what I have been able to pick up. Please let me know if there is a definitive take on this. If however, he only spent five or six years as a lumberjack that means he joined the force twenty-one years ago, or found some other way to occupy his time for those five years. I have some doubts about him being a gunfighter only because in "A Walk on the Wild Side" he said that it was the first time he had killed a man when he shot Anna's would-be assassin. There are a couple of possibilities: It was the first time ever in his life he killed someone or it was the first time since he has been a policeman that he killed someone, which implies he may have killed before. It seems to me the writers dropped the ball again in that scene. William was genuinely upset that he had killed the man, but Brackenreid brushed it off and William did not discuss it with Anna. Exploring his emotions about killing the man might have provided some insight into WM's past. I thought the way the writer's brought up the subject and then dropped it was poorly done. I think Will is 40-41 currently. I think in the first season he said he had been with the constabulary for 10 years (5 as a constable, then 2 as acting detective and 3 as detective). He was 33-34 in the first season I believe, so 23-24 when he started there. So if he went to the lumber camp at 18, that means he was there for about 5 years...which doesn't really add up because I believe he also said he was only there for 2 winters. So yes, there's a bunch of time unaccounted for. But if Emily is any indication, they will just disregard the past that they already established and make it fit with whatever they want to explore in S8. I think the writers are in line with what they have said about William’s earlier years so far. I am not sure how the logging camp came into this but I think his time there was about 2-3 summer (or winter) camp events (as opposed to full years) as a young lad, part of gaining worldly experience and to earn a living. Based on “The Glass Ceiling” and Suzannah’s help, CC is much closer to William’s age of about 41 (42 if he was only about a week or two away from his 18th the last time Suzannah saw him). I also agree that he joined the Constab about the age of 23/24 going by this timeline. I don’t think William has a notorious/violent dark past to be explored. I think MM will focus more on his time with the Jesuits and his mentor who took up the bulk of his early years. There might be a few scenes about some aunt or relative who first took him and his sister in until they were separated. However, there’s been so much talk about this shirtless William the logger, it’s grown a few legs. If the writers haven’t heard about it by now, then they are living under a rock. They may be tempted to throw something in there for the fangirls. In the Red Planet, his friend Eddy also referred to William’s boxing career. It seems young William really was a busy lad. They can’t possibly fit everything into a 45 minute episode even if all they did was talk about William alone and the other characters had a day off. Whatever they do, I’m pretty sure it will be good. I’ll stick with the timeline I see on the show. It usually makes more sense to me. I picked this out as a big clue then. What I deduced from it was the writers giving us an insight as to the depth of William’s feelings for Anna and what was yet to come without really using words. I don’t believe they dropped the ball on this. The Black Hand episode said a lot about the relationship between William and Anna and I wasn’t surprised the only person he ever killed in his life, even as a frontline copper, was for Anna. Brackenreid is an experienced man and he understands William like no other. He knew the significance of what just happened and saw how shook up William was. It didn’t escape him, he just knew when to leave well alone until the right time. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 21, 2014 4:16:49 GMT
Everything I said about FB goes for Twitter as well! If you're enjoying FB with your friends, more power to you. My complaint is with CBC and the MM team focusing their releases of show information there. (Including that "whiteboard Wednesday"). By the way one good example is poor Eus missing her chance at the Open House just because she was not lurking in the right time/place for the FB release of that info. Can't honestly say I enjoy fb, it's a useful tool to meet others in my sport and to see what's out there. I missed the release of the open house tickets too and I'm on fb. They didn't announce that there was going to be a full day open house beforehand, just put it up when the tickets were released. I was on a 5 hour drive when the tickets were released and by the time I arrived they were all gone. My daughter and friend couldn't go because of it. The open house was originally only for a couple of hours for the people that were going to the MME. If they hadn't decided to have more tours for the whole day they would have been able to go with me. It was going to be open to anyone but not actually being announced publicly, only by word of mouth. We weren't the only people whose plans were scuppered with by the all day open house, many people going to the MME had friends that couldn't go because they couldn't get tickets. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 21, 2014 4:54:58 GMT
Can't honestly say I enjoy fb, it's a useful tool to meet others in my sport and to see what's out there. I missed the release of the open house tickets too and I'm on fb. I think that just confirms it's a sucky way to do things. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 21, 2014 15:14:33 GMT
I am watching season 1 and 2 over again and I have to admit I do like that Julia the most, and the way her and William work together. But relationship wise I like them in season 6 and 7, mostly because William is beginning to come out of his shell and beginning to stand his ground with Julia more. She is still in charge, but aren't most women. At least that's what the hubby says. ...... One of the things I love about MM is how in this supposedly rigid, patriarchal society, the women are very much in charge and occasionally outright bad ass - and the decent men respect and love them and know when to give them the reigns. The men who try to be patronizing ultimately look like idiots themselves. At the same time MM is realistic about the barriers women faced, and even headstrong women crash against the system. To be fair, various hierarchies work against the men, too (re: William's Catholicism prevents him from ever being promoted). Anyway, I MM gave me a new idea about that time period: that women actually had to be stronger - just so they could get along in a world where the forces were that much more arrayed against them. Agreed-the women are in control. Brax sneaks around the wife, and in the promo, William never says he agrees, but it's pointless to stop her. Sorry-I'm trying to be vague! i don't know if the women had to be any stronger or not back in the day, I still see this wherever in the world I travel even today. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 21, 2014 15:14:37 GMT
Can't honestly say I enjoy fb, it's a useful tool to meet others in my sport and to see what's out there. I missed the release of the open house tickets too and I'm on fb. I think that just confirms it's a sucky way to do things. Yep, but unfortunately it's become one of the only ways to do things. Everyone has left the email lists and joined fb groups so if you want to keep up to date with the rest of the world you almost have to be on fb. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 21, 2014 15:17:37 GMT
Can't honestly say I enjoy fb, it's a useful tool to meet others in my sport and to see what's out there. I missed the release of the open house tickets too and I'm on fb. I think that just confirms it's a sucky way to do things. Alas, with the demise of LiveJournal, a lot of fandom went to Tumblr, which is nowhere as good. From a fandom perspective, it was a real loss. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Sept 21, 2014 17:01:35 GMT
I think that MURDOCH starts with adjectives which make Sarah PENSELL and us think that their relationship is strictly professional.
As he did, it was as if he wanted to convince himself. And then he gradually realizes that Julia is more than a coworker, that he is physically attracted by her and therefore he finishes with "beautiful"
Ooh that's an interesting way to look at it - maybe William came to realize more about himself as he played "word association"! What do you mean?
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Post by fan2tvshows on Sept 21, 2014 17:10:27 GMT
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 21, 2014 17:21:32 GMT
The Temple of Doooom!
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Post by mrsbrisby on Sept 21, 2014 17:23:55 GMT
According to Susannah he was 17 when he left for the logging camps. He also did a stint as a ranch hand (Mild, Mild West) which is probably where he learned to ride. Whilst his birthday is the same there are two different years for his birth 1861 and 1863. I've seen '61 bandied about more than '63 so I'm taking that as correct. So, he's 40 in S7. In Glass Ceiling, 1895, he's been on the force 10 years so he was 24 when he became a constable and 29 when he became an acting detective making full detective at 31. He would have been a lumberjack/ranch hand for 7 years. This is what I've gleaned from the show which has to be taken as canon. It was a joke that he'd been a gunfighter. Don't take everything you see on here as gospel, there's a lot of tongue in cheek speculation. Not that I'm arguing with you-you and CC both have pretty sound reasoning for your versions, but 7 years as a ranch hand/lumberjack just seems to be too long for someone like William. Even 5 does. But then, maybe that explains why he's so reluctant to perform manual labor, he's already "paid his dues" for so long. But ultimately, I think poor backstory is to blame here. However, since CC is getting her Info from the FB. page, I suspect that's the version they go with-even if they've stated otherwise in the show. Is this the main page? I've "liked" the show on my FB page, and it automatically put me into a group where I get whiteboard Wednesday info and such. I know there are other closed groups, but I refuse to join them. I'm with Snacky, I think the info should be more available and "out there" as well. I am not arguing any particular timeline, I just want to see one that is internally consistent. I don't do fb much, I think it is pernicious, so I had no idea there was a MM group on it. It seems to me that the CBC should tighten up a timeline and stick to it, after all Maureen Jennings works with them and she should be able to give them the essentials. As far as I can see, a lot of the confusion comes from comparisons between the books, the movies, and the TV show. Since the series is by far and away the most popular iteration of these stories it may be a mistake to take information from the books and movies imposing them on the series. They are different animals entirely and cross comparisons just lead to confusion. I could not agree more with Snacky and others that the backstory information should be available on one reliable site accessible to everyone. A word about the lumber camps. This link goes to a Canadian Encyclopedia article re lumbering. nides.bc.ca/assignments/canadaforests/unit2/TimberTrade.htmAt about paragraph 10 it offers a good description of the camps and how they operated and provides some context for Willliam's lumbering days. This link goes to photos of camps 19th and 20th centuries. www.google.com/search?q=canadian+lumber+camps&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hAcfVI_IJ4GUyASM8IFI&ved=0CCgQ7AkI cannot always tell whenyou guys are kidding although I did have a wonderful vision of Murdoch dressed like Clint Eastwood holding the bad guy at gunpoint and lecturing him on the logical inconsistencies present in his criminal activity. I thought it was funny. |
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