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Post by snacky on Aug 15, 2014 5:46:14 GMT
In a quite a few threads I started making much of The Kissing Bandit, and how William tipped his hand regarding his feelings about losing Julia. In the same episode he gives his word to Darcy that he has put his relationship with Julia in the past. Between this scene and that one, it seems like William feels like he already played the game and lost: while he's filled with bitterness about not making the grand gestures he thinks Julia wanted, he will be a gentlemanly good sort about it. More of a Spectacle gifs of the scene in question:     I love being able to watch the exact expression Yannick has on his face when he delivers these lines. Thinking about those passions that could have been his, but so stoic about the loss. In The Kissing Bandit, William identifies with the man who doesn't make grand gestures, but loves all the same. By the Time of The Murdoch Effect, William has drawn the conclusion that his fatal mistake was that he was "too cautious". While William did fail to show Julia their relationship had a future at the crucial moment, I do find it baffling that Julia's reasoning is not even on William's mental table here. Was she right that he would reconsider things when he found out she couldn't have children? That's the moment of hesitation he really needs to worry about if he really wants to analyze why Julia left. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 15, 2014 11:19:17 GMT
In a quite a few threads I started making much of The Kissing Bandit, and how William tipped his hand regarding his feelings about losing Julia. In the same episode he gives his word to Darcy that he has put his relationship with Julia in the past. Between this scene and that one, it seems like William feels like he already played the game and lost: while he's filled with bitterness about not making the grand gestures he thinks Julia wanted, he will be a gentlemanly good sort about it. I love being able to watch the exact expression Yannick has on his face when he delivers these lines. Thinking about those passions that could have been his, but so stoic about the loss. In The Kissing Bandit, William identifies with the man who doesn't make grand gestures, but loves all the same. By the Time of The Murdoch Effect, William has drawn the conclusion that his fatal mistake was that he was "too cautious". While William did fail to show Julia their relationship had a future at the crucial moment, I do find it baffling that Julia's reasoning is not even on William's mental table here. Was she right that he would reconsider things when he found out she couldn't have children? That's the moment of hesitation he really needs to worry about if he really wants to analyze why Julia left. I just finished rewatching Lovers in a Dangerous Time, and of particular interest was the "lovers quarrel"-or in my opinion, about damn time. I think W&J really need to have a much longer type of discussion about why things didn't work between them the first time, and clear the air. After William tells her that the whole divorce fiasco was her fault because she shouldn't have married D in the first place, she retorts that it was his because he didn't stop her, he replies that he couldn't, and she insists that he could have. I find it interesting, because I think she did a pretty good job of rebuffing him, and what else was he supposed to think? I know Snacky has her honor theory, which makes sense, but what about prior to that? Was he upset because he never got the chance to tell her that it was okay she couldn't get pregnant? Maybe Julia's reasoning isn't on his mind because it wasn't much of an issue for him once he got over the initial shock. We know that he was definitely thinking about making babies with her (Future Imperfect) but was obviously okay with it once he got a second to think about it. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 15, 2014 16:16:46 GMT
I just finished rewatching Lovers in a Dangerous Time, and of particular interest was the "lovers quarrel"-or in my opinion, about damn time. I think W&J really need to have a much longer type of discussion about why things didn't work between them the first time, and clear the air. After William tells her that the whole divorce fiasco was her fault because she shouldn't have married D in the first place, she retorts that it was his because he didn't stop her, he replies that he couldn't, and she insists that he could have. I find it interesting, because I think she did a pretty good job of rebuffing him, and what else was he supposed to think? I know Snacky has her honor theory, which makes sense, but what about prior to that? Was he upset because he never got the chance to tell her that it was okay she couldn't get pregnant? Maybe Julia's reasoning isn't on his mind because it wasn't much of an issue for him once he got over the initial shock. We know that he was definitely thinking about making babies with her (Future Imperfect) but was obviously okay with it once he got a second to think about it. That lover's quarrel was delayed so long it really felt like an afterthought on the writer's part. But I appreciate what carco said: they can't make the relationship the centerpiece of the show, and it's hard to shoehorn those juicy bits in there. I do think that scene confirms Julia was half-waiting for William to stop her. But I also think she's spinning that memory a bit. At the time she had made firm plans to marry Darcy, under the impression her relationship was over with William. She only began to waver when Anna revealed Williams feelings to her, and perhaps then it hit her why William wasn't already in a new relationship and why he wanted her back as coroner. I don't think William ever would have discussed his prior feelings about her or that he would have married her once she was committed to Darcy because he thought she was happy with that decision (her passions are aroused by Darcy and not him) and he didn't want to disrupt her plans: he's a man committed to order in all things, after all. Still that only meant he had confused feelings for her: she didn't know that he would have been willing to marry her until Ruby found the letter on the day of the wedding. So allocating blame: William and Julia both to blame for not communicating better before Julia left, Julia to blame for not giving William a chance to gather his thoughts on the day she left, William to blame for not following train/writing: the marriage ensued, so now both have to bear some responsibility in sorting that out if they want to get married now.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 16, 2014 15:38:49 GMT
I just finished rewatching Lovers in a Dangerous Time, and of particular interest was the "lovers quarrel"-or in my opinion, about damn time. I think W&J really need to have a much longer type of discussion about why things didn't work between them the first time, and clear the air. After William tells her that the whole divorce fiasco was her fault because she shouldn't have married D in the first place, she retorts that it was his because he didn't stop her, he replies that he couldn't, and she insists that he could have. I find it interesting, because I think she did a pretty good job of rebuffing him, and what else was he supposed to think? I know Snacky has her honor theory, which makes sense, but what about prior to that? Was he upset because he never got the chance to tell her that it was okay she couldn't get pregnant? Maybe Julia's reasoning isn't on his mind because it wasn't much of an issue for him once he got over the initial shock. We know that he was definitely thinking about making babies with her (Future Imperfect) but was obviously okay with it once he got a second to think about it. That lover's quarrel was delayed so long it really felt like an afterthought on the writer's part. But I appreciate what carco said: they can't make the relationship the centerpiece of the show, and it's hard to shoehorn those juicy bits in there. So allocating blame: William and Julia both to blame for not communicating better before Julia left, Julia to blame for not giving William a chance to gather his thoughts on the day she left, William to blame for not following train/writing: the marriage ensued, so now both have to bear some responsibility in sorting that out if they want to get married now. And I would agree with Carco on that point-it didn't need a 15 minute scene done all at once, but scattered scenes over a number of episodes would have been a good thing-we're talking a major plot arch here-not a one shot detail.
But yes, they're both to blame *smacks both their pretty heads* |
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Post by snacky on Aug 16, 2014 16:49:49 GMT
And I would agree with Carco on that point-it didn't need a 15 minute scene done all at once, but scattered scenes over a number of episodes would have been a good thing-we're talking a major plot arch here-not a one shot detail.
But yes, they're both to blame *smacks both their pretty heads* Well William is going to be "eternally damned" in a way now, because he's always going to be wondering how Darcy did it, lol.  |
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Post by Hodge on Aug 16, 2014 21:05:09 GMT
And I would agree with Carco on that point-it didn't need a 15 minute scene done all at once, but scattered scenes over a number of episodes would have been a good thing-we're talking a major plot arch here-not a one shot detail.
But yes, they're both to blame *smacks both their pretty heads* Well William is going to be "eternally damned" in a way now, because he's always going to be wondering how Darcy did it, lol. Darcy did it by opening his mouth and saying the words instead of keeping them in his head. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 17, 2014 0:49:13 GMT
Darcy did it by opening his mouth and saying the words instead of keeping them in his head. You'd think William would be smart enough to figure that out. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 17, 2014 6:21:10 GMT
And I would agree with Carco on that point-it didn't need a 15 minute scene done all at once, but scattered scenes over a number of episodes would have been a good thing-we're talking a major plot arch here-not a one shot detail.
But yes, they're both to blame *smacks both their pretty heads* Well William is going to be "eternally damned" in a way now, because he's always going to be wondering how Darcy did it, lol. Yes, I think that would be an excellent first fic to write. Go for it! |
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Post by snacky on Aug 17, 2014 6:41:20 GMT
Well William is going to be "eternally damned" in a way now, because he's always going to be wondering how Darcy did it, lol. Yes, I think that would be an excellent first fic to write. Go for it! You are eternally optimistic aren't you? and so is my friend Eclair, who just finished Season 1 tonight, and who is dying to see what kind of fic I might write... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 19, 2014 12:58:42 GMT
Yes, I think that would be an excellent first fic to write. Go for it! You are eternally optimistic aren't you? and so is my friend Eclair, who just finished Season 1 tonight, and who is dying to see what kind of fic I might write... Everyone has to write a first fic sometime... |
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Post by snacky on Aug 19, 2014 15:32:22 GMT
You are eternally optimistic aren't you? and so is my friend Eclair, who just finished Season 1 tonight, and who is dying to see what kind of fic I might write... Everyone has to write a first fic sometime... I wrote mine in my very shady past.  |
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