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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 3:52:37 GMT
In a couple of threads we bandied about the idea of William's compartmentalization and how that might cause him to lose track of his personal life. I've proposed that when Julia joins in William's projects or engages with his case's it's not just because they are perfect compatible soul mates, but because at some point she realized how compartmentalized his thinking was and decided to work with that knowledge instead of against that. Now I have an inkling of when/how she may have realized that. In Dead End Street, William consults Julia about how to communicate with the autistic woman Lydia. William starts to talking about her combination "emotional unawareness and acute intellect". Julia mutters under her breath that that's a description of William someone she knows. William wonders how to communicate "across the void". Julia then suggests "using the world she created" to do the communicating. Like the points where Anna brought up that William chose Julia and where Ruby found the note, this might have served as a point where Julia transcended some of her previous assumptions and/or realized how she could have solved some of her problems regarding William. Not that she wasn't already getting involved with cases and enjoying it: but this could have been the moment when she realized that communications had broken down "outside of William's world", and she may have started to get an idea rush about things she could try. But now it was too late because she was engaged to Darcy and couldn't try any of those ideas.  But once she got a second chance with William, she could try more of this "William's world" approach, just as William could try more being a Man of Action in letting Julia know how he feels. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 22, 2014 13:27:44 GMT
In a couple of threads we bandied about the idea of William's compartmentalization and how that might cause him to lose track of his personal life. I've proposed that when Julia joins in William's projects or engages with his case's it's not just because they are perfect compatible soul mates, but because at some point she realized how compartmentalized his thinking was and decided to work with that knowledge instead of against that. Now I have an inkling of when/how she may have realized that. In Dead End Street, William consults Julia about how to communicate with the autistic woman Lydia. William starts to talking about her combination "emotional unawareness and acute intellect". Julia mutters under her breath that that's a description of William someone she knows. William wonders how to communicate "across the void". Julia then suggests "using the world she created" to do the communicating. Like the points where Anna brought up that William chose Julia and where Ruby found the note, this might have served as a point where Julia transcended some of her previous assumptions and/or realized how she could have solved some of her problems regarding William. Not that she wasn't already getting involved with cases and enjoying it: but this could have been the moment when she realized that communications had broken down "outside of William's world", and she may have started to get an idea rush about things she could try. But now it was too late because she was engaged to Darcy and couldn't try any of those ideas. But once she got a second chance with William, she could try more of this "William's world" approach, just as William could try more being a Man of Action in letting Julia know how he feels. Season 7 is just so much fun from a shipper perspective-and I think it's for this reason. There's a fun, lightheartedness to their courtship that's missing even in seasons 1-3. Yes, there's some delicious sexual tension in earlier seasons that's not there in 6 or 7, but the trade off is that they're more relaxed around each other-it's almost like the sexual tension has dissipated by seasons 6 and 7, only I don't think they've yet done the deed. They know where this relationship is headed, they're not stressing about if-there's only a when for them, and this W/J, IMO, is very much a married W/J in some aspects. Yet William is definitely making it a point to wine and dine her this time around, and Julia knows how compartmentalized he can be. They've struck a balance, and it's because of this that I suspect married W/J wouldn't be the end of the show-so long as they work together and play off of each other. In other words, much like they did on season 7. |
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Post by Hodge on Aug 22, 2014 15:00:32 GMT
In a couple of threads we bandied about the idea of William's compartmentalization and how that might cause him to lose track of his personal life. I've proposed that when Julia joins in William's projects or engages with his case's it's not just because they are perfect compatible soul mates, but because at some point she realized how compartmentalized his thinking was and decided to work with that knowledge instead of against that. Now I have an inkling of when/how she may have realized that. In Dead End Street, William consults Julia about how to communicate with the autistic woman Lydia. William starts to talking about her combination "emotional unawareness and acute intellect". Julia mutters under her breath that that's a description of William someone she knows. William wonders how to communicate "across the void". Julia then suggests "using the world she created" to do the communicating. Like the points where Anna brought up that William chose Julia and where Ruby found the note, this might have served as a point where Julia transcended some of her previous assumptions and/or realized how she could have solved some of her problems regarding William. Not that she wasn't already getting involved with cases and enjoying it: but this could have been the moment when she realized that communications had broken down "outside of William's world", and she may have started to get an idea rush about things she could try. But now it was too late because she was engaged to Darcy and couldn't try any of those ideas. But once she got a second chance with William, she could try more of this "William's world" approach, just as William could try more being a Man of Action in letting Julia know how he feels. I think you may be right in this and I suspect it's when Julia becomes a psychiatrist that she finally starts to understand how William's mind works. I love the way they are together in seasons 6 & 7, they're obviously comfortable with one another. William seems to have realized that he needs to make an effort to let her know how he feels even if he doesn't say it and Julia doesn't expect too much of him in that regard. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 16:35:20 GMT
I think you may be right in this and I suspect it's when Julia becomes a psychiatrist that she finally starts to understand how William's mind works. That's probably what she was thinking when she came running into the ballroom blathering on about how she could help William out with his cases.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 16:39:15 GMT
Yes, there's some delicious sexual tension in earlier seasons that's not there in 6 or 7, but the trade off is that they're more relaxed around each other-it's almost like the sexual tension has dissipated by seasons 6 and 7, only I don't think they've yet done the deed. I still feel some of their youth was wasted if they didn't. I feel they must have had a fling in their somewhere even if it was an ill-advised mistake. Despite the comfort level, I felt this season there was almost a weariness to get on with it. So glad the proposal is at last a done deal! |
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Post by Hodge on Aug 22, 2014 17:39:40 GMT
I think you may be right in this and I suspect it's when Julia becomes a psychiatrist that she finally starts to understand how William's mind works. That's probably what she was thinking when she came running into the ballroom blathering on about how she could help William out with his cases. I think the blathering was just that she'd lost her nerve about telling William that she and Darcy had parted, she suddenly couldn't put the words together so that's what came out instead. It was only when William put her on the spot that she finally got them out and continued to blather as she wasn't sure he'd take her back.... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 22, 2014 17:43:00 GMT
Yes, there's some delicious sexual tension in earlier seasons that's not there in 6 or 7, but the trade off is that they're more relaxed around each other-it's almost like the sexual tension has dissipated by seasons 6 and 7, only I don't think they've yet done the deed. I still feel some of their youth was wasted if they didn't. I feel they must have had a fling in their somewhere even if it was an ill-advised mistake. Despite the comfort level, I felt this season there was almost a weariness to get on with it. So glad the proposal is at last a done deal! I remain wishy-washy on that topic, and reserve the right to sometimes believe they did, and other times they didn't.  I agree that there is a weariness there by the end, but that there was also a light playfulness there as well. With the exception of the failed proposal, W&J weren't as walking on egg shells around each other-which was nice for a change. But I certainly don't think that this should have continued, it was past time for the proposal. I just think that in many regards, W&J were already a married couple in season 7, and this can demonstrate that the show doesn't have to be over just because they got married. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 22, 2014 17:54:31 GMT
I think you may be right in this and I suspect it's when Julia becomes a psychiatrist that she finally starts to understand how William's mind works. I love the way they are together in seasons 6 & 7, they're obviously comfortable with one another. William seems to have realized that he needs to make an effort to let her know how he feels even if he doesn't say it and Julia doesn't expect too much of him in that regard. I completely agree-there's no eggshell walking in seasons 6 & 7 like there were in previous seasons-they're very comfortable with one another. But, it was definitely past time to get married-Mrs. B even comments about it i Kung Fu Crabtree-they have left it a long time. Yes, William has realized that he needs to try harder to show his feelings, and Julia now recognizes what she's dealing with-they've come to an understanding-which is sorta cute in its own way. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 19:03:15 GMT
Yes, William has realized that he needs to try harder to show his feelings, and Julia now recognizes what she's dealing with-they've come to an understanding-which is sorta cute in its own way. Now they just need to wear Alice in Wonderland costumes again, and they can be Super Cute!  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 19:04:43 GMT
That's probably what she was thinking when she came running into the ballroom blathering on about how she could help William out with his cases. I think the blathering was just that she'd lost her nerve about telling William that she and Darcy had parted, she suddenly couldn't put the words together so that's what came out instead. It was only when William put her on the spot that she finally got them out and continued to blather as she wasn't sure he'd take her back.... The blathering was definitely that lost nerve, but I'm also wondering if it's because she realized she had her "in" with maintaining her relationship with William this time... |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 19:17:00 GMT
I remain wishy-washy on that topic, and reserve the right to sometimes believe they did, and other times they didn't. But I certainly don't think that this should have continued, it was past time for the proposal. I just think that in many regards, W&J were already a married couple in season 7, and this can demonstrate that the show doesn't have to be over just because they got married. ROFL, I think I remain wishy-washy on the topic, too. >.< The show doesn't have to be over if they get married, but I do think Unresolved Sexual Tension is a big part of the fun, and marriage resolves it. There will need to be another generator of that particular energy. And it's not going to be Emily/George. This situation is particularly a problem for a show that has one central protagonist: even though it's an ensemble cast, when all is said and done the show is still called "Murdoch Mysteries". So if his UST is resolved then that removes a lot of energy from the equation. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 22, 2014 19:23:28 GMT
I remain wishy-washy on that topic, and reserve the right to sometimes believe they did, and other times they didn't. But I certainly don't think that this should have continued, it was past time for the proposal. I just think that in many regards, W&J were already a married couple in season 7, and this can demonstrate that the show doesn't have to be over just because they got married. ROFL, I think I remain wishy-washy on the topic, too. >.< The show doesn't have to be over if they get married, but I do think Unresolved Sexual Tension is a big part of the fun, and marriage resolves it. There will need to be another generator of that particular energy. And it's not going to be Emily/George. This situation is particularly a problem for a show that has one central protagonist: even though it's an ensemble cast, when all is said and done the show is still called "Murdoch Mysteries". So if his UST is resolved then that removes a lot of energy from the equation. No, but that doesn't mean that the writers, who have bungled Grace's character so far won't try to make them the new UST. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Aug 22, 2014 19:30:55 GMT
I remain wishy-washy on that topic, and reserve the right to sometimes believe they did, and other times they didn't. But I certainly don't think that this should have continued, it was past time for the proposal. I just think that in many regards, W&J were already a married couple in season 7, and this can demonstrate that the show doesn't have to be over just because they got married. ROFL, I think I remain wishy-washy on the topic, too. >.< The show doesn't have to be over if they get married, but I do think Unresolved Sexual Tension is a big part of the fun, and marriage resolves it. There will need to be another generator of that particular energy. And it's not going to be Emily/George. This situation is particularly a problem for a show that has one central protagonist: even though it's an ensemble cast, when all is said and done the show is still called "Murdoch Mysteries". So if his UST is resolved then that removes a lot of energy from the equation. And I tend to agree with you, but I'm thinking if they could redirect that energy elsewhere... But alas, I'm thinking that this is probably the last season. And while I agree that a show should go out strong rather than hang on too long, I'm not ready to let it go just yet. Please don't jump the shark this season, MM. |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 22:46:31 GMT
And I tend to agree with you, but I'm thinking if they could redirect that energy elsewhere... But alas, I'm thinking that this is probably the last season. And while I agree that a show should go out strong rather than hang on too long, I'm not ready to let it go just yet. Please don't jump the shark this season, MM.Yes, CC makes frequent nods in that direction, too, and I think a marriage would pretty much be sealing that deal. But since I love MM, I have to say I'd rather have more MM than the marriage. please don't kill me. The question would then be: is it more artificial and heinous to delay the marriage any further or jump the shark with the marriage? You end up losing your fave show either way. It's enough to make you want to curse OTPs and the horse they rode in on, lol.  |
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Post by snacky on Aug 22, 2014 22:48:01 GMT
ROFL, I think I remain wishy-washy on the topic, too. >.< The show doesn't have to be over if they get married, but I do think Unresolved Sexual Tension is a big part of the fun, and marriage resolves it. There will need to be another generator of that particular energy. And it's not going to be Emily/George. This situation is particularly a problem for a show that has one central protagonist: even though it's an ensemble cast, when all is said and done the show is still called "Murdoch Mysteries". So if his UST is resolved then that removes a lot of energy from the equation. No, but that doesn't mean that the writers, who have bungled Grace's character so far won't try to make them the new UST.I'm still voting for a physical separation of some sort. (After the marriage is okay). don't kill me, please. |
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