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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 8, 2014 0:37:50 GMT
I've rewatched this scene several times now and I'm not sure if it is the look I'm catching or the tone of voice matched with the look. It reminds me of when William and Julia were walking together at the end of Tour de Murdoch, the lighthearted joking about Leslie Garland being too young for her. Has a similar feel to it. I know what you mean, but this time I think that tone means William is nervous about the whole subject. At first I simply took the scene as Murdoch being oblivious again. Like how he didn't think it was necessary to make a big deal about the wedding. But after reading the comments on here, I think it is all about the money and he's only pretending to be oblivious because he's avoiding the subject altogether. I mean, how else do we explain 4+ months and they haven't even set a date. Sure in the grand scheme of their eternal courtship, it's a pretty small space of time, but Julia really seemed keen on getting that tie off by the end of last season so I'm sure she wants to get married yesterday. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 8, 2014 0:53:24 GMT
George says something outloud about making three dollars a day at some point. The only time I've seen George mention how much he earns is in Let Us Ask the Maiden when William says to him you'll own a house like this one day and George replies not on $1.25 a day. In Murdoch on the Corner, Henry says the ten dollars is half his months salary. So that's like 67 cents a day...I'm not sure if they're the exact same rank or not and even if George is a more senior constable, I doubt the wages would be that disparate. Even if Henry wasn't being literal, the writers really screwed that up continuity wise. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 0:57:40 GMT
What were people disappointed by? Can't imagine and it looks like the posts have been deleted as they were on the MMAS page instead of S8 discussion page. The first time I watched it I thought it was great. A new direction almost and loved how dark it was compared to the last couple of seasons. The music was totally different too. Hmm the music felt the same to me. I can't wait to watch it again later tonight. I bought lots of favorite tv show watching treats! Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the way the murder victim was beaten to death with truncheons on camera. That may have been a little too shocking. But it did provide high stakes for the premiere to work with: I'll see how I feel when I watch it again. I don't know if it will pass the "Mom" test. At the very least I'd want to be watching it with her. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:00:16 GMT
he gave Ava Moon the means and opportunity to escape. If CI Giles promoted William it would send a very mixed message to the rank and file, not to mention also having to overcome his own sense of outrage over the whole incident. This is a great point. I wonder if William also takes into account that he will have to pay eternal career penance for those decisions. It's a shame all his sucking up to the mayor in the prior seasons got him precisely nowhere, though. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:07:53 GMT
I think at the lack of wedding date This kind of shipper really pisses me off. They constantly try to hold the show hostage to what they want, practically grabbing the pen away from the writers. And when they don't get what they want, the declare the show sucks and issue threats about how they will give up on the show and take some huge portion of the audience with them. And in the process they badmouth the show everywhere even though the show is actually great. The truth is the show would suck if the writers inserted the cliche soap opera elements these shippers envision. DUDES YOU STARTED WATCHING THE SHOW AS IT IS! STOP TRYING TO REWRITE IT! Whew, got that out of my system.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:15:33 GMT
They both thought Brackenreid going over to the dark side was disturbing. I actually don't think he's completely gone over, I feel he's angry and this is how he's showing it. They also didn't like the 'new' inspector but we know he won't be there for long, just until Brackenreid is back so what's so bad about that? Someone didn't like the violence but again I don't think it was that bad, just the beginning and end. A couple of people said this episode wasn't as well written. I've noted a lot of people don't care for episodes written by Peter Mitchell though. A couple of people didn't like Julia's eyelashes! I don't think Brackenreid will actually use the gun. He needed it for protection since he's a civilian. He's just going to go get his manhood back. I don't like the new inspector either, but I don't think we're supposed to like him. I think we're supposed to want Inspector Brackenreid back.  I have mixed feelings about the restaurant scene violence - I may agree it was too much. Have to watch again. Didn't notice anything awry about Julia's eyelashes...I'll check that one out when I watch again later. I'm curious about the particular reasons people don't like Peter Mitchell scripts. Too gory? I thought the pacing was great. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:17:57 GMT
I think William didn't over-react to it because he is feeling a wee bit cozy and protected by his new "engaged to be married" status. I suspect William is used to women making passes at him, and he's used to ignoring them. So used to it that he has hard time functioning when he's actually with a woman he's supposed to be actively responding to, re: Julia. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:32:08 GMT
I know what you mean, but this time I think that tone means William is nervous about the whole subject. Seems I'm not the only one that viewed it this way. It is that same "detached" tone of voice, but you also have to take things like the expression on his face and the context of the situation into account. I just didn't see anything but nervousness on my first viewing. Maybe I'll see something different when I rewatch later. I honestly hope I do: I wish William did have a house all ready while Julia is fishing about the matter. But on first viewing, what I saw was a man that was nervous because he's not wealthy enough to meet his bride-to-be's lifestyle norms, and he doesn't have a hope of advancement in his career. |
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Post by murdochic on Oct 8, 2014 1:33:38 GMT
I wasn't disappointed by the lack of a wedding date, I assume they thought it wasn't very sensitive to be arranging a date when Brackenreid was so ill. They're just enjoying being engaged and they both said to others that they're getting married so they aren't stalling or anything. They'll set a date any time now, but MM being MM they will drag the wedding out.
I admit I didn't think this episode was up there with the best season openers. It had some good parts but it felt like it was missing something, I'm not sure what. I thought last seasons opener was better. Though this episode wasn't a bad one.
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:34:13 GMT
But one thing about William hasn't changed, when Julia was fiddling with his jacket in the morgue, I couldn't help but notice he took her hand and held it. Perhaps he felt she was getting perilously close to the sacred tie? I totally missed the lapel fiddling! What is going on there? Live a little, William! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:38:53 GMT
I thought last seasons opener was better. Though this episode wasn't a bad one. What was missing from this one was the big cinematic gimmick - though it's really hard to beat sinking the titanic! Perhaps they should have knocked down a skyscraper! Or perhaps involved zeppelins. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 8, 2014 1:42:34 GMT
I don't think Brackenreid will actually use the gun. He needed it for protection since he's a civilian. He's just going to go get his manhood back. I don't like the new inspector either, but I don't think we're supposed to like him. I think we're supposed to want Inspector Brackenreid back. I have mixed feelings about the restaurant scene violence - I may agree it was too much. Have to watch again. Didn't notice anything awry about Julia's eyelashes...I'll check that one out when I watch again later. I'm curious about the particular reasons people don't like Peter Mitchell scripts. Too gory? I thought the pacing was great. We're not supposed to like the new inspector but he's not going to be there long so what's to get upset about? The restaurant violence is over the top for MM but they have shown beatings before, in this case perhaps it's the location rather than the beating that makes it seem too much. The lashes have got longer over the seasons ... pretty petty though, there are plenty of other things to look at. I'm never sure about Peter Mitchell's scripts, they're kind of up and down. I thought the pacing was good and it kept me interested. I have to admit to enjoying it more the first time I saw it but I think that was the anticipation from waiting so long. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 8, 2014 1:45:20 GMT
I thought last seasons opener was better. Though this episode wasn't a bad one. What was missing from this one was the big cinematic gimmick - though it's really hard to beat sinking the titanic! Perhaps they should have knocked down a skyscraper! Or perhaps involved zeppelins. You'd be surprised how many people didn't like last season's opener. When they've been waiting so long for the new season perhaps their expectations are too high.... |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:47:36 GMT
The violence at the beginning really threw me for quite awhile after. I've watched way worse stuff before but on MM it's way more jarring. Yes! Jarring is the word I was looking for! That's exactly how it felt! Perhaps it is just the context of MM, because I also watch more violent stuff all the time. Or perhaps it's the use of truncheons instead of more distant guns. In any case, I was extremely jarred by that scene, and it's not something I'd want my Mom to watch. (I started watching MM because I thought it would be a great show to recommend to my Mom). I think the extreme violence of the O'Shea's could have been conveyed indirectly and mostly off stage. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 8, 2014 1:52:45 GMT
The restaurant violence is over the top for MM but they have shown beatings before, in this case perhaps it's the location rather than the beating that makes it seem too much. The lashes have got longer over the seasons ... pretty petty though, there are plenty of other things to look at. I think the weapons used for the restaurant beatings were also somehow more shocking than a fist fight would have been. Don't ask my why - it's just an instinctive thought. At this point I have no idea what Julia is "supposed" to look like - she's changed a lot over the years! Frankly, I prefer her as a polished blond fashion plate. Call me shallow, but I watch TV to look at the pretty. |
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