02. On the Waterfront: Part 2

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Oct 16, 2014 18:23:51 GMT Fallenbelle said:

That's quite true-it's like they've met each other half way-he's more emotionally open, and she's saving him the awkwardness of asking her out by asking him out (also letting him know that she's pursuing him) and now that I think about it, she's putting herself out there emotionally as well-this is someone who I think has daddy issues and is terrified of rejection.  William didn't propose (because he has little experience with women and can't read the signals) and Julia left before she could be left.

I think Julia had good reason to believe William would reject through season 5. During the ballroom scene in Twentieth Century Murdoch, she was almost begging William to give her a second chance. I don't think she really felt secure about William until he actually said he loved her and would marry her at the start of Season 6. I think after that she understood him better, and it was easier for her to start meeting him halfway.

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Oct 16, 2014 18:27:52 GMT Fallenbelle said:

Oct 16, 2014 18:20:41 GMT snacky said:

Guys, remember where we are here. Think of the children! Take any nudity to fanfic.net...

I think at some point the tie became a ripcord in our collective feminine unconscious...

But it's not like I actually described the nudity.  I don't know if I want to take it to fanfic.net...  I think I need to step away from the smut for a while.  CC's latest makes me want to focus on the introspectiveness of William and/or Julia a bit more.  

That's right, there's another under-advertised fic out there. Woo hoo!

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Oct 16, 2014 18:29:17 GMT Hodge said:

We know Julia has rejection anxiety and it it's probably from her relationship with her father who she likely feels has rejected her in favour of her sister. She always walks away before William has a chance to reject her. The sad part is he never has, he just needs a little time to work things out in his head but he's never given the chance to do it.

I would like to know more about her father's relationship with Ruby. Why does he like Ruby better? Ruby is also a "pistol". She also went forth and had a career. She did dangerous things for a woman. It's implied she's quite a scandalous woman, having affairs with notorious men. Is it because Ruby is prettier and more vivacious? Does it have something specifically to do with Julia choosing medicine? Is it related to the death of their mother?

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Oct 16, 2014 19:39:57 GMT Hodge said:

I don't think it mentioned much about Liza in the books other than they were engaged and they'd been saving themselves for marriage.

hmm, the virgin theory makes more sense for William if you break it down into a series of smaller steps in which he was "saving himself for marriage" with different women that didn't work out...

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Oct 16, 2014 19:32:22 GMT mrsbrisby said:

Cecily is a widow, her husband having died recently.  How did that happen, I wonder?  If she killed him to take over  the trade then she made a big mistake without realizing it.  If she was willing to try and murder Brax, kill her husband, the O'Shea's she has clearly shown that she is ruthless beyond reason.  What city and even provincial involved in her crimes they are going to want to silence her quickly.  They can't run the risk of her testifying and naming everyone of them as her co-conspirators. 

Leslie is going to be her lawyer/pawn/rent boy. I know it.

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Oct 16, 2014 20:11:09 GMT snacky said:

Oct 16, 2014 19:39:57 GMT Hodge said:

I don't think it mentioned much about Liza in the books other than they were engaged and they'd been saving themselves for marriage.

hmm, the virgin theory makes more sense for William if you break it down into a series of smaller steps in which he was "saving himself for marriage" with different women that didn't work out...

In the series yes. In the books no, he was horny as hell and quick to jump into bed with Enid when she offered herself up.

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Oct 16, 2014 20:15:16 GMT snacky said:

Oct 16, 2014 19:32:22 GMT mrsbrisby said:

Cecily is a widow, her husband having died recently.  How did that happen, I wonder?  If she killed him to take over  the trade then she made a big mistake without realizing it.  If she was willing to try and murder Brax, kill her husband, the O'Shea's she has clearly shown that she is ruthless beyond reason.  What city and even provincial involved in her crimes they are going to want to silence her quickly.  They can't run the risk of her testifying and naming everyone of them as her co-conspirators. 

Leslie is going to be her lawyer/pawn/rent boy. I know it.

Why does everyone think that Cecily is going to be around to carry on? She was busted.

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Oct 16, 2014 20:40:03 GMT Hodge said:

Oct 16, 2014 20:15:16 GMT snacky said:

Leslie is going to be her lawyer/pawn/rent boy. I know it.

Why does everyone think that Cecily is going to be around to carry on? She was busted.

Because the series lacks a good uber villain at the moment, and she happens to be there.

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Oct 16, 2014 20:54:14 GMT snacky said:

Oct 16, 2014 20:40:03 GMT Hodge said:

Why does everyone think that Cecily is going to be around to carry on? She was busted.

Because the series lacks a good uber villain at the moment, and she happens to be there.

I'm sure if they check the bullets that killed the O'Sheas they'll find they match her gun. She probably doesn't know about matching bullets. Busted!

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Oct 16, 2014 21:09:24 GMT Hodge said:

Oct 16, 2014 20:54:14 GMT snacky said:

Because the series lacks a good uber villain at the moment, and she happens to be there.

I'm sure if they check the bullets that killed the O'Sheas they'll find they match her gun. She probably doesn't know about matching bullets. Busted!

Thanks to her corrupt secret connections in City Hall, the evidence will mysteriously go missing before the trial.

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Oct 16, 2014 1:11:10 GMT ziggy said:

Oct 16, 2014 0:43:48 GMT Hodge said:

I'd definitely like to see William stand up a little more to Julia, she seems to walk all over him. I know it's his way to some extent but it's time for him to be more assertive. My husband doesn't like Julia at all, he thinks she's selfish. I guess she is to some extent but I wonder if it's because she's had to be assertive herself to get where she is.

I agree with your husband plus, my hubby thinks she is too self-centred and doesn’t like anything about her. It was the Jilliam story that finally put him off William and tipped him off the wagon. He hasn’t looked back since then. She’s had to be tough to get where she is but I don’t think that’s it. She’s just naturally like that and won’t change. It’s the way the writers intended her to be.  Although I think the writers may try and fix William this season.  We are already beginning to see a happier, more spritely William around Julia.  Whether it will look great on him in the long run or look forced, I don't know.

Julia gives me the pip.  She expects all of her opinions to be respected and accepted by everyone.  She has said some terrible things to William about religion knowing full  well that he is a deeply devout Catholic.  I would like to see him cut her off once her twice using his eloquence and rational arguments but not raise his voice.  I agree she is selfish--my God, look at the mess her little temper tantrums caused them.  The fact that she consulted no one nor would she listen to her family or friends before embarking on these harebrained schemes exhibits self confidence that is better placed at the feet of hubris.  

I do hope William calls her on it before they tie the knot.

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Oct 16, 2014 21:26:57 GMT mrsbrisby said:

I do hope William calls her on it before they tie the knot.

I would like to see William have a difference of opinion and win an argument with Julia - I do see your points. Catholicism would be a good place to start.

But I don't want to see him use that patronizing approach he used in Victor/Victorian. That was super lame.

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Oct 16, 2014 21:26:57 GMT mrsbrisby said:

Oct 16, 2014 1:11:10 GMT ziggy said:

I agree with your husband plus, my hubby thinks she is too self-centred and doesn’t like anything about her. It was the Jilliam story that finally put him off William and tipped him off the wagon. He hasn’t looked back since then. She’s had to be tough to get where she is but I don’t think that’s it. She’s just naturally like that and won’t change. It’s the way the writers intended her to be.  Although I think the writers may try and fix William this season.  We are already beginning to see a happier, more spritely William around Julia.  Whether it will look great on him in the long run or look forced, I don't know.

Julia gives me the pip.  She expects all of her opinions to be respected and accepted by everyone.  She has said some terrible things to William about religion knowing full  well that he is a deeply devout Catholic.  I would like to see him cut her off once her twice using his eloquence and rational arguments but not raise his voice.  I agree she is selfish--my God, look at the mess her little temper tantrums caused them.  The fact that she consulted no one nor would she listen to her family or friends before embarking on these harebrained schemes exhibits self confidence that is better placed at the feet of hubris.  

I do hope William calls her on it before they tie the knot.

Whenever William is trying to say something or express an opinion she cuts him off. I noticed it the first time in Back and to the Left when they first meet again after her marriage. Just as he's about to say something she cuts him off with "We must accept the decisions we've made..." He could have been about to totally change the subject and forget the past. Sometimes I wonder why I'm so invested in this relationship but I think it has to do more with if that's what makes William happy.

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Oct 16, 2014 17:26:59 GMT Fallenbelle said:

Oct 16, 2014 5:13:55 GMT Hodge said:

Just love that tie twiddling. Want to see lots more and maybe a little loosening would go down well.

My contribution to tie!fic.  Thanks,  Talbotrail! 


The door to the honeymoon suite at the Queen's Hotel closed behind them, and there was a brief and awkward lull as they stood there staring at one another.  Now that they were free to know one another biblically, they were paralyzed with uncertainty.  

Determined to finally remove his tie, Julia wasted no time in pressing him up against the door, where they shared some heated kisses. They were finally married, and nothing was going to stop her in her quest to remove that damnable article of clothing that was symbolic of his Herculean self-restraint.

It was time to cease with the proprieties and commence with the indulgences.

Pulling back, Julia began to run her hands up and down his chest, pushing his formal morning coat from his broad shoulders and slipping it down his arms and onto the floor.  

Looking at her with a smirk on his face, he did nothing to stop her as her hands ran up and down his chest and beneath his formal waistcoat, tentatively untucking his shirt from his trousers.  Emboldened at the fact that he did nothing to stop her, she unbuttoned his waistcoat and slid that off as well.

She appreciated that he was letting her explore, but she did wonder when he was going to take a more active role in the consummation of their marriage.  Looking up at him again, his smirk was even bigger, and his eyes were laughing.

Yet he made no move to intervene-he was content to watch her.  He'd been unable to keep his hands off of her most of the day, so she was surprised that he didn't seem eager to remove her dress.

But, Julia continued in her efforts, working her way to her goal of removing his neckwear-the one article of clothing that had taunted her for years, holding his passions back.  Looking into his eyes, she unbuttoned his shirt one button at a time starting from the bottom, and still, he made no move to cease her actions.

The smirk remained firmly in place, yet the breathing became more ragged, and his eyes grew darker.  Slowly, she worked her way up to his collar, where the tie and studs lay-the last barrier to his passion.  As she undid the collar buttons and removed his cufflinks and studs, she placed her hands on his white bow tie, and slowly undid it.  

As she held both ends of the tie in her hands, she looked in his eyes and he merely nodded his consent as she pulled it free from his neck.  Dropping it to the floor, she began to work on removing his dress and under shirt, but never got the chance.  Before she knew what was happening, he had flipped their positions and now had her pressed against the door, his nimble fingers making quick work of removing her dress, corset, and undergarments with a speed and certainty that she decided to not think about just then.

Before she realized what had happened, she was nude and being carried to the bed while he still wore his trousers slung low on his hips, and his shirt lay open, exposing his undershirt.  

She had no idea what had just happened, but she liked it.  

Freud was right-the tie was deeply symbolic.

I love it!  That Freud guy got it right some of the time.

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Oct 16, 2014 22:41:03 GMT Hodge said:

Whenever William is trying to say something or express an opinion she cuts him off. I noticed it the first time in Back and to the Left when they first meet again after her marriage. Just as he's about to say something she cuts him off with "We must accept the decisions we've made..." He could have been about to totally change the subject and forget the past. Sometimes I wonder why I'm so invested in this relationship but I think it has to do more with if that's what makes William happy.

Let's file this under a way William needs to grow.

But I do think it's in his personality to sort of sit back and observe with anyone. And it's easy for the other person to barge on ahead with their agenda when William isn't putting up any resistance.