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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 21:21:18 GMT
her body. The seamstresses body. Hence, 'You won't find it there' when told they were searching her home. And that's why Murdoch knocked her purse to the ground to see if she could pick it up. I have to call political foul here. William had no problem asking the black woman to undress IN FRONT OF HIM in season one. While she was crying! Ovation even made a sleazy teaser out of that thinking this made William look like James Bond.  Now no man would ever THINK to ask the seamstress to remove her dress to check her corset. And in the Station House, William has to call in Julia to get the corset from the seamstress? That's not only a loophole, it's a potentially racist one. Ahem. Uh, I think you're remembering wrong. That is the exact opposite of what happened. Mrs. Robinson THOUGHT that's what he was asking of her, but he simply meant he would need her dress as evidence. He expected her to disrobe in private down at the station house. |
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Post by monty151 on Jan 27, 2015 21:22:25 GMT
her body. The seamstresses body. Hence, 'You won't find it there' when told they were searching her home. And that's why Murdoch knocked her purse to the ground to see if she could pick it up. I have to call political foul here. William had no problem asking the black woman to undress IN FRONT OF HIM in season one. While she was crying! Ovation even made a sleazy teaser out of that thinking this made William look like James Bond. Now no man would ever THINK to ask the seamstress to remove her dress to check her corset. And in the Station House, William has to call in Julia to get the corset from the seamstress? That's not only a loophole, it's a potentially racist one. Ahem. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:23:30 GMT
I'm feeling some political guilt about my inclinations here. While I'm intellectually for this relationship, I'd prefer any intimacies take place off screen, too. But then I'm straight myself. I don't want to presume I represent the whole potential audience. *waits to see if there's more to the MM shipper audience than meets the eye* I wouldn't have a problem with seeing them 'intimate' except I don't like Lilian Moss much anymore and I've started to like Emily, so I don't really want to watch them together together. Maybe she'll improve on me but it's not likely considering she's only got like four more eps or so. I can only imagine this relationship is going to crash and burn epically. It's too bad Lillian hasn't done anything to really get in the audience good graces. I actually like what she represents - but that's mainly because what she represents is particularly relevant to the time/place where I'm in now. A whole lot of bricks have been thrown, hahahaha.  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:24:43 GMT
I have to call political foul here. William had no problem asking the black woman to undress IN FRONT OF HIM in season one. While she was crying! Ovation even made a sleazy teaser out of that thinking this made William look like James Bond. Now no man would ever THINK to ask the seamstress to remove her dress to check her corset. And in the Station House, William has to call in Julia to get the corset from the seamstress? That's not only a loophole, it's a potentially racist one. Ahem. Uh, I think you're remembering wrong. That is the exact opposite of what happened. Mrs. Robinson THOUGHT that's what he was asking of her, but he simply meant he would need her dress as evidence. He expected her to disrobe in private down at the station house. Didn't she actually take off her dress? Maybe I am remembering it wrong. I do remember her crying in that horrifically politically incorrect Ovation vid. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 21:28:32 GMT
Uh, I think you're remembering wrong. That is the exact opposite of what happened. Mrs. Robinson THOUGHT that's what he was asking of her, but he simply meant he would need her dress as evidence. He expected her to disrobe in private down at the station house. Didn't she actually take off her dress? Maybe I am remembering it wrong. I do remember her crying in that horrifically politically incorrect Ovation vid. She starts to take it off, no doubt thinking he was planning on molesting her too, but he stops her right away. She was crying though but that's because her husband was dead. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 27, 2015 21:30:54 GMT
I'm tired so I'm going to keep this brief:
Murdoch's night of fun was probably exactly what I expected. And also rather humourus with Julia flaling around with the tape measure.
I'm not a huge fan of Lillian Moss's character, but - I feel that it will be good for Emily to have someone a) more around her own age b) someone to bring her out of her shell a bit. Emily has always acted as a shadow for Julia, and I think it will be good to see her come out of that shadow and create her own. She's always been the modest, "safe" girl, making the sensible choices, going out with George who is the epitome of a gentleman and altogether a "safe bet". But if Leslie Garland is anything to go by Emily seems to long for some excitement that she isn't able to create herself.
I think Emily needs to find a middle ground that is between the extreames of Moss and Ogden and not lose herself to Moss's extremes.
And Lillian sweetie; your Julia bashing needs to stop. You and Julia are very different people, and you need to let that go.
Side plot between Brackenreid and Crabtree was entertaining. Kind of reminded me of those parents who get eh over zealous in their kids' endeavours.
Nice Murder twists. I liked how they kept you guessing on who *actually* did it. And in the end it turned out no one person could really be blamed.
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:31:59 GMT
It was a good comment on Julia's part, but I actually think William exercised restraint when he didn't arrest her obstruction of a murder investigation-which she was doing big time. She moved the body, took off the corset, and was just put out that he was bothering her and her clients. I understand her behavior and why she had to act the way she did, but she wasn't a likeable person. She lied, stole, mistreated her way to the top. Karma's a bitch-and it'll get you in the end-irregardless of your gender. I thought of Martha Stewart here. Its also what bothered me about Lillian's reaction to the model's death. She didn't mean to kill her, but corsets are evil, and she's got to further the cause. Too bad, so sad. She's much like Heloise in that they can't think of others or don't care about them. She'll destroy Emily if Emily's not careful. I'm sure Nicolette broke a few US laws as an Accessory as well, but who knows about Canadian law - especially at the turn of the 20th century. I don't think boasting about it was wise, though. I think the writers should have handled this with William imagining what happened while Nicolette continued to shine him on. By the way, I agree with whoever said on twitter that ending the ep with the Corset Shop owner "falling in love" really sucked.  I think Lillian "under-reacted" to the model's death because if she started to repent, that would be a confession, and then she would be headed for the noose. She did look rather gaunt/haunted, though. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:34:02 GMT
And in the end it turned out no one person could really be blamed. I think the seamstress could and should be blamed since she intended to commit murder in the first place. If the wrong person was murdered, that just makes things worse. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:35:15 GMT
Didn't she actually take off her dress? Maybe I am remembering it wrong. I do remember her crying in that horrifically politically incorrect Ovation vid. She starts to take it off, no doubt thinking he was planning on molesting her too, but he stops her right away. She was crying though but that's because her husband was dead. Ah yes, I remember now. Even so, William has no problem asking for a dress for evidence. So why does no one ever think to ask for what the seamstress was wearing? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:46:07 GMT
I guess marriage has expanded Williams horizons and now he's used to seeing semi naked women.... Talking of married William, why would be not be familiar with corsets if he laces Julia into hers? I thought Brackenreid's comment strange, obviously he doesn't lace Margaret into hers. I would have thought it odd if an unmarried William knew a lot about corsets! The seamstress did say she designed it under Heloise's roof. Same thing happened to a guy I worked with. I have to admit I was surprised by William's reaction to Heloise. Yes, she was intolerable but I didn't think William would have said what he did. Good on Julia for calling him out. I thought Inspector Brackenreid's remark about corsets was strange as well: did he mean multiple kinds of corsets? Or maybe he meant men "didn't get any" after they took their vows, hahahaha. That might explain William's face.  I think William gets easily irritated by people in general, so it's extra easy for him to get irritated by women who aren't conforming to his expectations. Remember how he reacted to Ruby? If she wasn't Julia's sister, he would be quite put out by her. But his mind is open, and Julia is there to provide that insight on why women who get to the top seem so "difficult". As we've seen in his interrogations, William files away that info for future use, too. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:49:32 GMT
Did anyone notice the wedding photo just to the right of the cocoa tray? Awwww. Yes, I did. A 3rd wedding photo. Awwww. I still want to know when those pics were taken. They didn't see each other until the altar, then they ran away to arrest Mrs. Thompson. The Margaretzilla arranged for a separate wedding photo session.  |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 21:54:42 GMT
Ha! I was right about Julia in corset distress! I knew that hot cocoa provided the perfect opportunity! But I was sooo disappointed that William didn't seem to give a second thought to the fact that he'd put Julia in a corset that had nearly squished her to death! You'd think he'd be a bit guilty for not thoroughly checking the corset out beforehand. Instead he just tested it on his wife? I'm a bit confused about Lillian's background and source of income now. A few episodes ago she had a rich uncle and she was the key to funding the campaign. Now she's cast out of the family, and her history of social injustice is to put her on the "radical" side of the woman's movement. It feels like she got some rapid Emily-style re-writing there. I like the latter version better, though, if the writers can avoid the "Lesbian/Feminist Man-Hater(!)" stereotype. William didn't have any reason to suspect there was anything wrong with the corset so he wouldn't think it needed checking out, he wouldn't know he was putting Julia in danger however I do wonder what he was thinking bringing evidence home for her to try on! Naughty William!! I don't see a problem with Lillian's uncle being rich, sounds like the family in general is. She says her parents cast her out, doesn't mean the rest of the family disapprove of her but it's still not their place to keep her. Perhaps she wants to prove that she doesn't need them ... except to fund her suffragette friends. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 27, 2015 21:57:29 GMT
I can see your point. I don't like dilution either. It's better to have 13 quality than 18 meh. I suppose I get paranoid about the show being suddenly cancelled, so I hope for 18 quality and for there to be as many as possible in the can for reruns. 13 per season is very few. And, if you think about it, we lost a lot of Hotness!William because of it. Most people are actually enjoying all of this season. There were complaints about the lack of Julia/Jilliam but people still on the whole liked the episodes. We can't expect every episode to be our favourites. On the whole this season hasn't been bad and it has had, IMO, one of the best episodes of the series. I've enjoyed each ep as I watched it but as usual there were a couple that I won't watch as often as others. After 8 seasons it must be hard to keep things fresh. I'd like to see some eps written by one or two of the writers from the first 4 seasons, names that have only appeared once or twice. The earlier seasons were definitely edgier but I wonder if that was more the production than the script. If that "like" is reflected in the ratings, then "whew". I've been worried because twitter discussion has been down this season - I know because I'm busy on Mondays and I usually follow the Twitter discussion to get a general idea of the plot before I come home. And on this forum I've gotten the sense that almost all the episodes were perceived as lower quality (mystery-wise) than previous years - the Giles one being the big exception. Even the Wedding episode was a throw-away mystery. My own sense is that the latter half of the season is getting stronger mystery-wise. I hope that trend continues! |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 21:57:55 GMT
her body. The seamstresses body. Hence, 'You won't find it there' when told they were searching her home. And that's why Murdoch knocked her purse to the ground to see if she could pick it up. I have to call political foul here. William had no problem asking the black woman to undress IN FRONT OF HIM in season one. While she was crying! But William didn't ask the black woman to undress in front of him, she assumed he meant she should. He was most put out and embarrased when he realized what she was doing. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 22:01:18 GMT
Now that it's been revealed that Lillian was denied her chance to pursue an engineering degree, this explains why she resents the fact that Julia did have the opportunities that she didn't (both the money and the education) - but she chose to "limit" herself by marriage. I've mentioned several times that a theory was going around that marriage had actually held women back in a Eugenic/Darwinian way. Good point however I don't understand why Julia is putting up with this, she wouldn't have in the past. I'm wondering if we're going to have an epic showdown between the two of them. |
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