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Post by snacky on Mar 24, 2015 5:53:30 GMT
Hmm, I'm now wondering if it's leading into next week's ep and it is the sequential killer. Could he kill Edna's husband, leaving them free to marry? Not actually thinking that will happen, just positing the question. Still think George is going to be at SH4 after S9 starts if not right at the beginning. As he can't be there as a detective and he can't really afford to marry on a constable's salary it doesn't make sense to kill off Edna's husband so they can marry, unless ... they're going to try angst and UST with George and Edna.  Never say never! I still think they will make George detective at SH4 and find a way to "laterally" promote William without exactly making him Inspector, which we all agree he would be bad at. Well Gillies did claim he was doing William and Julia a favor by killing off Darcy. Could this killer be doing the same thing...? |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 24, 2015 6:09:43 GMT
Yes the board does censor certain words. I've noticed that before, hahahaha.  Regarding PM - as we've drawn closer toward the end of the season, and, as you say, there is no chance of a "redo", I've been hoping more and more that the distance was intentional. PM denied it, but I kept hoping it was actually going to crop up and he didn't want to let the cat out of the bag too soon. As Fallenbelle put it: "embrace the angst". You can't get the honeymoon period back, but if you decide the distance is "on purpose", and write some dialogue to resolve it, then what the characters can do is something like a "second honeymoon" period to address the tensions that they've been going through. Perhaps they can go to Europe for real honeymoon~  I don't think the characters are distanced though, just not being shown as a newlywed couple. In Shipwreck Julia was very much into William, just not showing it other than in words. All we've had between them in the second half of this season is words. Face it snacky the writers failed with this relationship. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 24, 2015 6:12:44 GMT
Hmm, I'm now wondering if it's leading into next week's ep and it is the sequential killer. Could he kill Edna's husband, leaving them free to marry? Not actually thinking that will happen, just positing the question. Still think George is going to be at SH4 after S9 starts if not right at the beginning. As he can't be there as a detective and he can't really afford to marry on a constable's salary it doesn't make sense to kill off Edna's husband so they can marry, unless ... they're going to try angst and UST with George and Edna. Never say never! I still think they will make George detective at SH4 and find a way to "laterally" promote William without exactly making him Inspector, which we all agree he would be bad at. Well Gillies did claim he was doing William and Julia a favor by killing off Darcy. Could this killer be doing the same thing...? I'm not sure there's anywhere to promote William to at SH4 laterally or otherwise without displacing Brackenreid. I think he may be a good inspector I just don't think he'd LIKE being inspector after the intial thrill of being promoted. He likes solving puzzles, not being a human resources manager. I thought the same thing but maybe not intentionally doing them a favour. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 24, 2015 7:05:26 GMT
I don't think the characters are distanced though, just not being shown as a newlywed couple. In Shipwreck Julia was very much into William, just not showing it other than in words. All we've had between them in the second half of this season is words. Face it snacky the writers failed with this relationship. I saw what you (I think it was you - I've lost track) mean about William's monotone when describing his happy marriage to Meyers. I guess the optimistic way to spin that is William is paranoid about Meyers and doesn't know why Meyers wants to know about his marriage...and he's very uncomfortable with Meyers being so chummy (as he shows with the fishing remark). Sort of sad William isn't around to congratulate Julia on getting through the election. It wasn't ever made clear how he felt about her dropping out of the race. He seems a bit freaked out about Meyers bringing it up - perhaps because he was warned that the Powers That Be were watching that he can't keep his wife under control? The fact Meyers knows means the Prime Minister himself might somehow have an opinion on William and his wife! That's probably over-thinking it. A lot of this could be resolved with William and Julia interacting more regarding the election. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 24, 2015 7:13:48 GMT
I'm not sure there's anywhere to promote William to at SH4 laterally or otherwise without displacing Brackenreid. I think he may be a good inspector I just don't think he'd LIKE being inspector after the intial thrill of being promoted. He likes solving puzzles, not being a human resources manager. I can think of several "outs" though all are stretching the history books a bit. 1) A post of "Senior Detective" can be invented so William can teach forensic techniques across the constabulary. George would be needed to pick up William's regular caseload. 2) William is disabled in some way by the sequential killer.  As such, he becomes a sort of Detective Emeritus while George does a lot of the legwork. 3) William is tasked with opening up Toronto's first crime lab (with Julia!). This actually takes William out of Station House 4 (but across the street - like where the Morgue is). George becomes Detective at SH4. 4) SH3 burns down in the Toronto fire. SH4 houses the men of SH3 as a result. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 24, 2015 7:20:07 GMT
Wow this really was George's episode! Too bad he didn't have a ring in his pocket at the hotdog stand! I noticed that George didn't have any comic relief. This made it easier to accept him as a "dramatic" character at the end of the episode. Also the coat gave him a slightly different look. But...if the writers are trying to transition George out of the role of comic relief (hoping he can be a romantic lead...?) then that will seriously change the MM formula. MM has really benefited over the years from the fact that William and George together are funny. Higgins and George together are funny. Put anyone with George and they are funny! Yet it's never been too screwball to take you out of the mood of the show. Also I think YB really needs an anchor for his own humor. He is funny when playing the straight man to comic relief, but this season he's tried a lot of stuff - facial expressions, tones of voice - that are just hard to fathom. Tonight the Terrence Meyers exchange about his wife and the fishing was a good example. It was hard to identify exactly what YB was trying to convey there. But if he had been bouncing it off of JH, there probably would have been comic timing of scintillating brilliance. It doesn't work with Meyers because Meyers is another straight man. PM kind of gave the "almost proposal" away too early though, rofl. I'm also now wondering if some of the problem was in the directors that were hired. If there was no shippy footage to patch in later, it wasn't just because nothing was written - it was because various directors chose not to direct scenes like that. Perhaps next year they should just film some random ones to put in their pocket. If they don't use them for fanservice during the eps, they can always put them on extras on the DVDs to give shippers a little thrill.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 24, 2015 8:52:12 GMT
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Seriously?! ?!!!! I can't even. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 24, 2015 9:57:41 GMT
Okay, I'm a bit more coherent now, but what the hell was that episode about? I can't believe they did that! They play up Gedna all season just to bait and switch it to Gemily again (because you know that's what's happening in season 9). Gah!
Although my husband called it when George proposed ("that's not going to end well") I was hoping for happiness for poor George. I agree with Hodge that what they gave us was worse than a failed proposal. Gah!
Maybe this is me being hopeful, but methinks William is just a bit too quick to defend his and Julia's relationship to Meyers. Is William trying to defend his marriage because he thinks Meyers is going to give him grief over the whole thing too (just like the others), or is William not entirely satisfied with his marriage right now?
As twisted as it sounds, I'm hoping for trouble in paradise, because that means there's been a point to the lack of passion. Bad writing upsets me more than deliberate angst.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 24, 2015 10:00:30 GMT
Wow this really was George's episode! Too bad he didn't have a ring in his pocket at the hotdog stand! I noticed that George didn't have any comic relief. This made it easier to accept him as a "dramatic" character at the end of the episode. Also the coat gave him a slightly different look. But...if the writers are trying to transition George out of the role of comic relief (hoping he can be a romantic lead...?) then that will seriously change the MM formula. MM has really benefited over the years from the fact that William and George together are funny. Higgins and George together are funny. Put anyone with George and they are funny! Yet it's never been too screwball to take you out of the mood of the show. Oh jeesh, I hope not. I love the George the man (Gedna, sniff  ), but we need funny George. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 24, 2015 10:23:18 GMT
I hope so. A photo with Yannick is one thing but William Murdoch is my guy! We just have to catch a location shoot this summer to catch Det. Murdoch. **secretly follows along** |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 24, 2015 10:27:28 GMT
Got the episode tonight (yay!) but not going to watch it fully until tomorrow (i wants foods with it! and not getting tired) Just watched the ending with Gedna. (Murder not spoiled) And am I the only one with the feeling that George's love life is resembling Williams? (like post marriage the whole Jilliam saga; and yes it was a saga) Now the H word is back (and admit it we'd rather he wasn't) it's kind of reminding me of the whole Garland diabolical. Edna wants George but is stuck in a marriage with a man she thought was dead for over a year. Divorce really isn't an option; (financially) and annulment probably wouldn't work, we're back to wishing he was dead or stayed dead. Reminding anyone of a certain situation? Yup. It reminds me all right. But my version is slightly different-I suspect that just as William "forgave" Julia her marriage to Darcy, George will "forgive" Emily's affair with Lillian and they'll be back together next season. Mind you, I like your version better-I think? |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 24, 2015 12:44:03 GMT
Okay, I'm a bit more coherent now, but what the hell was that episode about? I can't believe they did that! They play up Gedna all season just to bait and switch it to Gemily again (because you know that's what's happening in season 9). Gah! Although my husband called it when George proposed ("that's not going to end well") I was hoping for happiness for poor George. I agree with Hodge that what they gave us was worse than a failed proposal. Gah! Maybe this is me being hopeful, but methinks William is just a bit too quick to defend his and Julia's relationship to Meyers. Is William trying to defend his marriage because he thinks Meyers is going to give him grief over the whole thing too (just like the others), or is William not entirely satisfied with his marriage right now? As twisted as it sounds, I'm hoping for trouble in paradise, because that means there's been a point to the lack of passion. Bad writing upsets me more than deliberate angst. Even I am actually thinking trouble in paradise is the best way to get through this. At least it means we'll have William and Julia in the same room, at the same time, talking about something important!!! I desperately want happiness for George. I feel like a piece of him died tonight. This may set the stage for next season having all the characters focused on mysteries. George is NOT going back to Emily anytime soon. Now that the election is over will we see any more of Margaret Haille, Lillian Moss or Clara Brett Martin?? I doubt it. The sad thing is that next week's episode is so chock a block full of murders, I don't see how there will be time for any other closure to the suffragist arc that what we had tonight with the ladies at the news stand. Not even between W/J. It's a shame because here is another lost opportunity to show how different the Murdoch's marriage is from the Garland's. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 24, 2015 12:50:58 GMT
Wow this really was George's episode! Too bad he didn't have a ring in his pocket at the hotdog stand! I noticed that George didn't have any comic relief. This made it easier to accept him as a "dramatic" character at the end of the episode. Also the coat gave him a slightly different look. But...if the writers are trying to transition George out of the role of comic relief (hoping he can be a romantic lead...?) then that will seriously change the MM formula. MM has really benefited over the years from the fact that William and George together are funny. Higgins and George together are funny. Put anyone with George and they are funny! Yet it's never been too screwball to take you out of the mood of the show. Also I think YB really needs an anchor for his own humor. He is funny when playing the straight man to comic relief, but this season he's tried a lot of stuff - facial expressions, tones of voice - that are just hard to fathom. Tonight the Terrence Meyers exchange about his wife and the fishing was a good example. It was hard to identify exactly what YB was trying to convey there. But if he had been bouncing it off of JH, there probably would have been comic timing of scintillating brilliance. It doesn't work with Meyers because Meyers is another straight man. PM kind of gave the "almost proposal" away too early though, rofl. I'm also now wondering if some of the problem was in the directors that were hired. If there was no shippy footage to patch in later, it wasn't just because nothing was written - it was because various directors chose not to direct scenes like that. Perhaps next year they should just film some random ones to put in their pocket. If they don't use them for fanservice during the eps, they can always put them on extras on the DVDs to give shippers a little thrill. The interesting thing is Yannick talks about how much fun he and Peter Keleghan have together. Also PK has quite a comedic flair as seen in this season of Saving Hope. It just didn't come off as well in this episode. Maybe it's because I spent the whole Meyers arc thinking "huh?" because, as Hodge pointed out, it was a total red herring. The funny thing is Meyers is one of my favourite returning characters but those episodes are rarely on my favourite list. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 24, 2015 12:56:06 GMT
Wow this really was George's episode! Too bad he didn't have a ring in his pocket at the hotdog stand! I noticed that George didn't have any comic relief. This made it easier to accept him as a "dramatic" character at the end of the episode. Also the coat gave him a slightly different look. I LOVED that coat. He was looking very dapper and professional. Too bad he can't keep it to wear over his detective suit. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 24, 2015 13:02:26 GMT
But...if the writers are trying to transition George out of the role of comic relief (hoping he can be a romantic lead...?) then that will seriously change the MM formula. MM has really benefited over the years from the fact that William and George together are funny. Higgins and George together are funny. Put anyone with George and they are funny! Yet it's never been too screwball to take you out of the mood of the show. Also I think YB really needs an anchor for his own humor. He is funny when playing the straight man to comic relief, but this season he's tried a lot of stuff - facial expressions, tones of voice - that are just hard to fathom. Tonight the Terrence Meyers exchange about his wife and the fishing was a good example. It was hard to identify exactly what YB was trying to convey there. But if he had been bouncing it off of JH, there probably would have been comic timing of scintillating brilliance. It doesn't work with Meyers because Meyers is another straight man. PM kind of gave the "almost proposal" away too early though, rofl. I'm also now wondering if some of the problem was in the directors that were hired. If there was no shippy footage to patch in later, it wasn't just because nothing was written - it was because various directors chose not to direct scenes like that. Perhaps next year they should just film some random ones to put in their pocket. If they don't use them for fanservice during the eps, they can always put them on extras on the DVDs to give shippers a little thrill. George's role is the comic sidekick but MM has been so well written from the beginning that his character has been given a lot of depth over the years. I had no trouble with him playing the straight man. No surprise that George got down to business when William asked Detective Crabtree for his initial assessment of the murder victim. He has shown himself to be kind, charming and honourable. That, to me, is why I was so sad for him tonight. |
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As such, he becomes a sort of Detective Emeritus while George does a lot of the legwork.
), but we need funny George.
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