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Post by Hodge on Mar 5, 2015 19:17:30 GMT
William and Julia's relationship has been one of the defining parts of MM. It's been that way from the start, it's why their wedding was the 100th episode. But it's not just their personal stories that are nearing a natural conclusion, all the characters are. A show can't go on forever and MM isn't anything like L&O. It will end in the not too distant future, it's a sad thought but it's also inevitable. We know it will end some time but I'm hoping they'll make it the round 10 before it does.
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Post by snacky on Mar 6, 2015 8:32:20 GMT
William and Julia's relationship has been one of the defining parts of MM. It's been that way from the start, it's why their wedding was the 100th episode. But it's not just their personal stories that are nearing a natural conclusion, all the characters are. A show can't go on forever and MM isn't anything like L&O. It will end in the not too distant future, it's a sad thought but it's also inevitable. I have faith that the show isn't based on "personal stories", and the writers can always come up with something if they want they want the show to go on another season.
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Post by murdochic on Mar 6, 2015 10:39:54 GMT
William and Julia's relationship has been one of the defining parts of MM. It's been that way from the start, it's why their wedding was the 100th episode. But it's not just their personal stories that are nearing a natural conclusion, all the characters are. A show can't go on forever and MM isn't anything like L&O. It will end in the not too distant future, it's a sad thought but it's also inevitable. I have faith that the show isn't based on "personal stories", and the writers can always come up with something if they want they want the show to go on another season. The show is a large portion based on personal stories for the main characters. Yes, it's primarily a crime drama, but it mixes in personal drama.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 6, 2015 13:14:23 GMT
I have faith that the show isn't based on "personal stories", and the writers can always come up with something if they want they want the show to go on another season. The show is a large portion based on personal stories for the main characters. Yes, it's primarily a crime drama, but it mixes in personal drama. Agreed. I enjoy the mysteries, but they come and go each week. It's the main characters that draw me back week after week-without the principals and their stories, the show becomes just another Law and Order drone-which held my attention only briefly.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 6, 2015 14:11:59 GMT
Meet the newest Murdoch Mysteries monster at this thread!
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Post by snacky on Mar 6, 2015 18:14:48 GMT
The show is a large portion based on personal stories for the main characters. Yes, it's primarily a crime drama, but it mixes in personal drama. Agreed. I enjoy the mysteries, but they come and go each week. It's the main characters that draw me back week after week-without the principals and their stories, the show becomes just another Law and Order drone-which held my attention only briefly. I didn't mean to dismiss the personal stories as unimportant. But I do think the personal stories can change over time. It's the fans who tend to lock the characters into particular arcs, and thus place limits that circumscribe the length of the show, not the writers. For instance, the writers could - as you have been fearing - simply kill off Julia and start William over on a new romantic quest. Voila, there's a new romantic quest. There's no reason the writers have to be a slave to the fan pressure over the shape of the arc. We think the threat of mass fan abandonment will guarantee the arc we want, but, hey, The Good Wife killed off Will when they had to (because the actor left). It's a big challenge for the writers to regain fan loyalty after breaking an arc that has been that ingrained, but it's not impossible. Anyway, the point is the Jilliam arc and the "natural closure" now that the marriage has been accomplished is *totally a fan invention*. This is part of the reason writers try to avoid marriages in the first place, to avoid that sense of "natural closure" that accompanies it. But now that the marriage deed is done, I'm going to do my best to deflect that sense of "natural closure" because it amounts to validating some particularly female fantasies at the expense of pulling the plug on a show other people were enjoying as is.
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Post by Hodge on Mar 6, 2015 18:26:56 GMT
Agreed. I enjoy the mysteries, but they come and go each week. It's the main characters that draw me back week after week-without the principals and their stories, the show becomes just another Law and Order drone-which held my attention only briefly. I didn't mean to dismiss the personal stories as unimportant. But I do think the personal stories can change over time. It's the fans who tend to lock the characters into particular arcs, and thus place limits that circumscribe the length of the show, not the writers. For instance, the writers could - as you have been fearing - simply kill off Julia and start William over on a new romantic quest. Voila, there's a new romantic quest. There's no reason the writers have to be a slave to the fan pressure over the shape of the arc. We think the threat of mass fan abandonment will guarantee the arc we want, but, hey, The Good Wife killed off Will when they had to (because the actor left). It's a big challenge for the writers to regain fan loyalty after breaking an arc that has been that ingrained, but it's not impossible. Anyway, the point is the Jilliam arc and the "natural closure" now that the marriage has been accomplished is *totally a fan invention*. This is part of the reason writers try to avoid marriages in the first place, to avoid that sense of "natural closure" that accompanies it. But now that the marriage deed is done, I'm going to do my best to deflect that sense of "natural closure" because it amounts to validating some particularly female fantasies at the expense of pulling the plug on a show other people were enjoying as is. Whilst I wasn't in favour of the Jilliam marriage - I feared what the writers would do next - and it seems my concern was valid. The only problem with not marrying them off was how could they possibly come up with a legitimate reason for keeping them apart again! The marriage could have been tackled better, a couple more eps of lovey dovey would have satisfied the fans and then they could have got on with the mysteries. Instead they virtually ignored the fact that they were in the honeymoon period and treated them as if they'd been married years. It was a big mistake and one they can never rectify and the fans won't forget it.
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Post by snacky on Mar 6, 2015 18:57:05 GMT
Whilst I wasn't in favour of the Jilliam marriage - I feared what the writers would do next - and it seems my concern was valid. The only problem with not marrying them off was how could they possibly come up with a legitimate reason for keeping them apart again! The marriage could have been tackled better, a couple more eps of lovey dovey would have satisfied the fans and then they could have got on with the mysteries. Instead they virtually ignored the fact that they were in the honeymoon period and treated them as if they'd been married years. It was a big mistake and one they can never rectify and the fans won't forget it. Yes, it's almost comic how we worried over how the writers would keep William and Julia apart, and the solution was just to not include Julia in any scenes. But it will be impossible for fans to forget - even new fans - because in the process of binge watching, the "honeymoon" will ALWAYS be followed by this weird period without Julia. That opportunity has forever been screwed up through lack of good "shipper glasses" on writer/producer part. It's really a shame after the wedding was pulled off in such a great way. Maybe the writers will do something to back 'splain the whole thing so it makes more sense, though.
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Post by Hodge on Mar 6, 2015 19:46:38 GMT
Whilst I wasn't in favour of the Jilliam marriage - I feared what the writers would do next - and it seems my concern was valid. The only problem with not marrying them off was how could they possibly come up with a legitimate reason for keeping them apart again! The marriage could have been tackled better, a couple more eps of lovey dovey would have satisfied the fans and then they could have got on with the mysteries. Instead they virtually ignored the fact that they were in the honeymoon period and treated them as if they'd been married years. It was a big mistake and one they can never rectify and the fans won't forget it. Yes, it's almost comic how we worried over how the writers would keep William and Julia apart, and the solution was just to not include Julia in any scenes. But it will be impossible for fans to forget - even new fans - because in the process of binge watching, the "honeymoon" will ALWAYS be followed by this weird period without Julia. That opportunity has forever been screwed up through lack of good "shipper glasses" on writer/producer part. It's really a shame after the wedding was pulled off in such a great way. Maybe the writers will do something to back 'splain the whole thing so it makes more sense, though. Doubt that, I don't think PM thinks anything was wrong with the way they handled it.
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 7, 2015 2:22:28 GMT
Whilst I wasn't in favour of the Jilliam marriage - I feared what the writers would do next - and it seems my concern was valid. The only problem with not marrying them off was how could they possibly come up with a legitimate reason for keeping them apart again! The marriage could have been tackled better, a couple more eps of lovey dovey would have satisfied the fans and then they could have got on with the mysteries. Instead they virtually ignored the fact that they were in the honeymoon period and treated them as if they'd been married years. It was a big mistake and one they can never rectify and the fans won't forget it. Yes, it's almost comic how we worried over how the writers would keep William and Julia apart, and the solution was just to not include Julia in any scenes. But it will be impossible for fans to forget - even new fans - because in the process of binge watching, the "honeymoon" will ALWAYS be followed by this weird period without Julia. That opportunity has forever been screwed up through lack of good "shipper glasses" on writer/producer part. It's really a shame after the wedding was pulled off in such a great way. Maybe the writers will do something to back 'splain the whole thing so it makes more sense, though. They need to read "Was It Really Just A Dream?". That would solve a lot of the problems they have written in this season.
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Post by Hodge on Mar 7, 2015 2:33:17 GMT
Yes, it's almost comic how we worried over how the writers would keep William and Julia apart, and the solution was just to not include Julia in any scenes. But it will be impossible for fans to forget - even new fans - because in the process of binge watching, the "honeymoon" will ALWAYS be followed by this weird period without Julia. That opportunity has forever been screwed up through lack of good "shipper glasses" on writer/producer part. It's really a shame after the wedding was pulled off in such a great way. Maybe the writers will do something to back 'splain the whole thing so it makes more sense, though. They need to read "Was It Really Just A Dream?". That would solve a lot of the problems they have written in this season. LOL! Too Dallas for MM.
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Post by snacky on Mar 7, 2015 3:33:37 GMT
They need to read "Was It Really Just A Dream?". That would solve a lot of the problems they have written in this season. LOL! Too Dallas for MM. Hey didn't you vote for that solution a few posts ago?
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Post by Hodge on Mar 7, 2015 3:43:16 GMT
LOL! Too Dallas for MM. Hey didn't you vote for that solution a few posts ago? Yep but I don't think the writers would go for it ... unfortunately!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 7, 2015 3:54:37 GMT
Hey didn't you vote for that solution a few posts ago? Yep but I don't think the writers would go for it ... unfortunately! If they do this, does that mean we get William in a shower scene?
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Post by snacky on Mar 7, 2015 3:55:23 GMT
Yep but I don't think the writers would go for it ... unfortunately! If they do this, does that mean we get William in a shower scene? Can we haz poll?
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