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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 3:21:01 GMT
I found this episode better than the rest of the season but I'm still underwhelmed as I've been in previous episodes. There were brief funny moments but I found the rest boring. The writers have written good episodes but this felt like a filler and an excuse for another Murdoch/Crabtree road trip. As much as I do enjoy them, I miss Julia's expertise in cases and not just a 6minute experiment with Dr Grace.. I found it ooc for William to be surprised at Crabtree's lock picking skills, he himself found out what type of poison was being used when he was injured at the halfway house. I also wasn't surprised to see Murdoch back in his Klondike gear(I truly think Murdoch own three outfits:a church suit,his uniform and the Klondike outfit).And they hinted at brackenreid's artistic nature in the two-parter opener, when he using his painting as one of his excuses for not going back on the force. Im interested in the upcoming aslyum episode but Having Julia be a damsel in distress again is getting as old as having pendrick be suspected by William. It sounds like you've been so starved for quality that your expectations are very high now. What episode or episodes in the past would you like the writers to shoot for to get back on track? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 3:54:48 GMT
upcoming aslyum episode but Having Julia be a damsel in distress again is getting as old as having pendrick be suspected by William. Frak, that just gave me a chill vision of Pendrick as Lancelot rescuing Julia as Guinevere. William, over-concerned about preserving justice and order for the citizens of Camelot Toronto fails to see that Julia is getting bored in the castle hotel, and her resistance has been lowered to the charms of the honorable but easily-besotted-by-intelligent-blonds Pendrick. Hey, it's an archetypical story just lurking waiting to be told...  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 23, 2015 3:57:50 GMT
YAY - finally got to watch this episode!!! I thought it was great, and I think episodes of this caliber should have been front-loaded this season. Loved George's new lock-picking skill, and I hope to see more of this type of skillset from him. LOL at "let the dog see the rabbit"!!! LOL also and William denying George has yet another Aunt in Haileybury. At some point he became skeptical of the Aunts, and he wants an accounting... I think Julia was in the wrong to put the Inspector's painting on public display without his permission, but I did love that bit of character development business. Also Tom Thompson was a RICH art student if he had $15 to pay for a painting - Henry is paid $10 in comparison. I was sad that that the native guy turned himself in and the tribe moved on. He did save William's life. Technically he could have let them all be poisoned on their way into town and let the matter end there! Also at the end William says the native guy started the fight. It was the prospector who started it by really obviously rerouting the train to stake his claim. Questions would have been raised from there no matter what. The natives were fighting a rearguard action. MISSING SCENE! George apologizing profusely to Julia for letting her husband/his boss get shot. I hope George writes a novel about this adventure - web series ahoy! I really like this more competent, assertive George. I hope this is a character arc here-William has been borderline disrespectful to George the past few eps (hubris, perhaps) when George has been right-or has had good ideas. I suspect it's going to be an arc that continues for the remainder of the season, when George (or someone) finally calls William out on his BS. I actually like how Julia asserted herself there for a couple of reasons: 1.) She knew he'd be flattered-despite his obligatory blustering. 2.) She was also showing him that she wasn't just his subordinate's wife-and she wasn't going to be bullied by him (as in High Voltage). I feel apologizing is something George might have done, but that I actually hope he didn't-he had nothing to apologize for. If anything, George saved William's life-what happened to jungle justice, William? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 23, 2015 4:00:33 GMT
upcoming aslyum episode but Having Julia be a damsel in distress again is getting as old as having pendrick be suspected by William. Frak, that just gave me a chill vision of Pendrick as Lancelot rescuing Julia as Guinevere. William, over-concerned about preserving justice and order for the citizens of Camelot Toronto fails to see that Julia is getting bored in the castle hotel, and her resistance has been lowered to the charms of the honorable but easily-besotted-by-intelligent-blonds Pendrick. Hey, it's an archetypical story just lurking waiting to be told... Well, that's certainly one interpretation. I didn't see it for a long time, but now I agree with you that William might be setting himself up for a fall-particularly in regards to George. I'm starting to wonder if George is going to be right on something big, and William disregards him as usual-with dire consequences. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 4:38:26 GMT
Frak, that just gave me a chill vision of Pendrick as Lancelot rescuing Julia as Guinevere. William, over-concerned about preserving justice and order for the citizens of Camelot Toronto fails to see that Julia is getting bored in the castle hotel, and her resistance has been lowered to the charms of the honorable but easily-besotted-by-intelligent-blonds Pendrick. Hey, it's an archetypical story just lurking waiting to be told... Well, that's certainly one interpretation. I didn't see it for a long time, but now I agree with you that William might be setting himself up for a fall-particularly in regards to George. I'm starting to wonder if George is going to be right on something big, and William disregards him as usual-with dire consequences. Weren't we warned about big changes this year for George? Maybe this was just supposed to mean Edna. Early on, though, I thought it meant he would finally be promoted to detective. While the show does need to preserve a careful balance between formula and character development (in other posts I've been whinging about what I see as ignoring fundamental tenets of William's character) there does need to be some evolution over time so the show doesn't turn into a parody of itself. George has to be promoted eventually. That just has to happen. And his colleagues have to start respecting him a little more. If William's such a great detective, he should be able to see what's right in front of him: George may have his daffy moments, but he has consistently shown a great range of abilities as well. I'm starting to wait for the episode that explains the malign conspiracy behind why George has been deliberately held back all these years! Also, I predict SH4 burns down in the Toronto fire as an emo moment and excuse for redecorating! |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 23, 2015 5:17:29 GMT
If Station House 4 burned down, it would have to be moved, as it was well out of the area that burned in the Great Fire, and wasn't even in charge of the burnt area. I can see them getting involved, however, as an event of that magnitude would have required all hands on deck.......
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 5:23:37 GMT
If Station House 4 burned down, it would have to be moved, as it was well out of the area that burned in the Great Fire, and wasn't even in charge of the burnt area. I can see them getting involved, however, as an event of that magnitude would have required all hands on deck....... Cheers Hmm, what about that deadly warehouse fire that I mentioned? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 5:50:36 GMT
I really like this more competent, assertive George. I hope this is a character arc here-William has been borderline disrespectful to George the past few eps (hubris, perhaps) when George has been right-or has had good ideas. I suspect it's going to be an arc that continues for the remainder of the season, when George (or someone) finally calls William out on his BS. I actually like how Julia asserted herself there for a couple of reasons: 1.) She knew he'd be flattered-despite his obligatory blustering. 2.) She was also showing him that she wasn't just his subordinate's wife-and she wasn't going to be bullied by him (as in High Voltage). I feel apologizing is something George might have done, but that I actually hope he didn't-he had nothing to apologize for. If anything, George saved William's life-what happened to jungle justice, William? There's a chance that arc could end with George getting an offer he can't refuse from the Pinkerton's, though! That would be a real shake-up!  But I agree William has serious case of misprision when it comes to George - like a father who continues to see a 3 year old when his son is married with children! I still think Julia crossed a line when putting someone else on public display - especially when they are a public figure (police inspector) with a facade to maintain. I also think she sounded whiny about her criticism not being accepted on its own, but then that may be just me internalizing what men say. It's true they devalue women's opinions, and it's also true they make women feel like they are make a big deal over nothing for pointing it out. But when you add up a million incidents of "nothing", it's something. I still wish Julia had done that scene with some eyebrow action, though - sort of like in Child's Play when William refers to upsetting someone's schedule to talk about a murder. An innocent remark, yet damning. Re: George saving William's life: I hope he realized it. He was epically stupid in that scene, and he endangered George's life as well as his own. I hope it was because he was delirious. If George apologized for letting William get shot, I would also like to see William apologize for almost getting them both killed by trying to arrest the person who had saved his own life amidst a hostile tribe! That could have been a good trigger for William recognizing the truths of that situation and the forces that his "law and order" represented. |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 23, 2015 5:53:18 GMT
If Station House 4 burned down, it would have to be moved, as it was well out of the area that burned in the Great Fire, and wasn't even in charge of the burnt area. I can see them getting involved, however, as an event of that magnitude would have required all hands on deck....... Cheers Hmm, what about that deadly warehouse fire that I mentioned? I don't know where that was. The George Street mentioned appears not to exist anymore.
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 6:00:02 GMT
Hmm, what about that deadly warehouse fire that I mentioned? I don't know where that was. The George Street mentioned appears not to exist anymore.
Cheers
I think there might be some Murdoch-style issues in water pumping or transport as well any mystery around the start of the fire? I also find the emphasis on Orange men fighting the fire and dying interesting. Were Catholics suspects in starting the fire? Were they barred from becoming firefighters because they weren't trusted? Also, all these men died for a warehouse full of ...horse feed? Interesting...  |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 23, 2015 6:47:11 GMT
I don't know where that was. The George Street mentioned appears not to exist anymore.
Cheers
I think there might be some Murdoch-style issues in water pumping or transport as well any mystery around the start of the fire? I also find the emphasis on Orange men fighting the fire and dying interesting. Were Catholics suspects in starting the fire? Were they barred from becoming firefighters because they weren't trusted? Also, all these men died for a warehouse full of ...horse feed? Interesting... At the time, you pretty much had to be an Orangeman to work with the Toronto Fire Department, or any other City department. As the Orange Lodge held the political power, hiring for City jobs was a closed shop, and, to say there was a hatred towards Catholics is not exaggerating. It wasn't until the 1950s that we had our first non Orange mayor in the 20th Century, and that campaign featured bigotry towards the winner, who was Jewish, that would be unbelievable today ........the Orange Lodge's political hold on the City wasn't broken until the large waves of immigration from Italy, Eastern Europe, Greece, etc. after WWII...... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 23, 2015 7:06:43 GMT
I think there might be some Murdoch-style issues in water pumping or transport as well any mystery around the start of the fire? I also find the emphasis on Orange men fighting the fire and dying interesting. Were Catholics suspects in starting the fire? Were they barred from becoming firefighters because they weren't trusted? Also, all these men died for a warehouse full of ...horse feed? Interesting... At the time, you pretty much had to be an Orangeman to work with the Toronto Fire Department, or any other City department. As the Orange Lodge held the political power, hiring for City jobs was a closed shop, and, to say there was a hatred towards Catholics is not exaggerating. It wasn't until the 1950s that we had our first non Orange mayor in the 20th Century, and that campaign featured bigotry towards the winner, who was Jewish, that would be unbelievable today ........the Orange Lodge's political hold on the City wasn't broken until the large waves of immigration from Italy, Eastern Europe, Greece, etc. after WWII...... Wow - so George's position in the Mason's really is a joke. What matters is whether he is a member of the Orange Lodge. I'm sure Brackenreid must be since he was pegged to run for office. |
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Post by lizmc on Jan 23, 2015 7:14:54 GMT
At the time, you pretty much had to be an Orangeman to work with the Toronto Fire Department, or any other City department. As the Orange Lodge held the political power, hiring for City jobs was a closed shop, and, to say there was a hatred towards Catholics is not exaggerating. It wasn't until the 1950s that we had our first non Orange mayor in the 20th Century, and that campaign featured bigotry towards the winner, who was Jewish, that would be unbelievable today ........the Orange Lodge's political hold on the City wasn't broken until the large waves of immigration from Italy, Eastern Europe, Greece, etc. after WWII...... Wow - so George's position in the Mason's really is a joke. What matters is whether he is a member of the Orange Lodge. I'm sure Brackenreid must be since he was pegged to run for office. Not really. They could be both.........Interesting about Brackenreid, as he was from Northern England, so I doubt if he would be a member of the Orange Lodge. The Orange Lodge was actually banned in England........when Edward VII toured Canada as Prince of Wales, there was a stand off in Kingston, Ontario, where the Orange Lodge featured heavily in the greeting ceremony. The Prince of Wales refused to land until that was changed. |
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Post by Lilac on Jan 23, 2015 7:35:30 GMT
I really like this more competent, assertive George. I hope this is a character arc here-William has been borderline disrespectful to George the past few eps (hubris, perhaps) when George has been right-or has had good ideas. I suspect it's going to be an arc that continues for the remainder of the season, when George (or someone) finally calls William out on his BS. I actually like how Julia asserted herself there for a couple of reasons: 1.) She knew he'd be flattered-despite his obligatory blustering. 2.) She was also showing him that she wasn't just his subordinate's wife-and she wasn't going to be bullied by him (as in High Voltage). I feel apologizing is something George might have done, but that I actually hope he didn't-he had nothing to apologize for. If anything, George saved William's life-what happened to jungle justice, William? There's a chance that arc could end with George getting an offer he can't refuse from the Pinkerton's, though! That would be a real shake-up! But I agree William has serious case of misprision when it comes to George - like a father who continues to see a 3 year old when his son is married with children! I still think Julia crossed a line when putting someone else on public display - especially when they are a public figure (police inspector) with a facade to maintain. I also think she sounded whiny about her criticism not being accepted on its own, but then that may be just me internalizing what men say. It's true they devalue women's opinions, and it's also true they make women feel like they are make a big deal over nothing for pointing it out. But when you add up a million incidents of "nothing", it's something. I still wish Julia had done that scene with some eyebrow action, though - sort of like in Child's Play when William refers to upsetting someone's schedule to talk about a murder. An innocent remark, yet damning. Re: George saving William's life: I hope he realized it. He was epically stupid in that scene, and he endangered George's life as well as his own. I hope it was because he was delirious. If George apologized for letting William get shot, I would also like to see William apologize for almost getting them both killed by trying to arrest the person who had saved his own life amidst a hostile tribe! That could have been a good trigger for William recognizing the truths of that situation and the forces that his "law and order" represented. I don't think Murdoch would have apologized for the situation. While Murdoch's vision has been a bit less black and white after his experiences with Julia and Constance Gardiner, he still believes in black and white justice. If someone's committed a crime, it's his duty to arrest them, even though I don't think William has the authority to do so since it's not Toronto. He would probably say it's George's police duty to not back down and I think the only reason he didn't press the issue was because he was so delirious, judging by the what he said to Julia afterwards. Re: Julia's whinyness: I do think she sounded whiny but I wish she would've realized that Brackenreid cares more about money than anything. I think if she had told him that there was a cash prize outright, he wouldn't have even needed the second opinion but who knows. |
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Post by Lilac on Jan 23, 2015 9:19:15 GMT
I found this episode better than the rest of the season but I'm still underwhelmed as I've been in previous episodes. There were brief funny moments but I found the rest boring. The writers have written good episodes but this felt like a filler and an excuse for another Murdoch/Crabtree road trip. As much as I do enjoy them, I miss Julia's expertise in cases and not just a 6minute experiment with Dr Grace.. I found it ooc for William to be surprised at Crabtree's lock picking skills, he himself found out what type of poison was being used when he was injured at the halfway house. I also wasn't surprised to see Murdoch back in his Klondike gear(I truly think Murdoch own three outfits:a church suit,his uniform and the Klondike outfit).And they hinted at brackenreid's artistic nature in the two-parter opener, when he using his painting as one of his excuses for not going back on the force. Im interested in the upcoming aslyum episode but Having Julia be a damsel in distress again is getting as old as having pendrick be suspected by William. It sounds like you've been so starved for quality that your expectations are very high now. What episode or episodes in the past would you like the writers to shoot for to get back on track? I'm not sure exactly but thanks for asking. I think i'm partial to the psychology episodes and the new invention episodes. I did enjoy the Keystone Constables episode and i've loved previous seasons in their entirety but I just feel like there isn't enough forensic work lately. I think it's great when Murdoch invents a crude forensic tool before its time to solve the case or when the coroner finds a big clue from the autopsy. I think my problem with this season is it's been more dramatic than striking that usual nice dramedy balance. I'd really like the writers to incorporate Dr. Grace's work in the cases more and since that the psychiatrist froze, doesn't that make Julia the station's unofficial psychological consultant? I think i'm in need of a bit more humor and less testosterone, it's great that the show is focusing on the Suffragette movement but not only are those scenes frankly, weak and miminal but the strong, intelligent doctors aren't really adding much to the sleuthing as they used to. I have a question that has been stewing in my mind for a while that i'm hoping someone in this lovely group can help me with: where exactly are Julia and William living? I know in the episodes leading up to the wedding it was mentioned that they hadn't decided on where they would start their new life together and that William had comically thought they could live at his boarding house; except didn't Julia own a house when she was separated from Darcy and he moved onto her street to irritate her? It's seemed as if they're renting a suite in a hotel and I realize at the time that during this era, a women gave her property and possessions to her husband but wouldn't they just save money and move into her old house? |
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But I agree William has serious case of misprision when it comes to George - like a father who continues to see a 3 year old when his son is married with children!
