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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:07:42 GMT
Major plot twist: Murdoch dies  No but really, I think I'll just sit here and pretend that it's Lillian.  Major Twist on Plot Twist: William Dies but is revived by Holy Grail in Toronto Museum! Viva Team Lillian! |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:13:13 GMT
Thanks for finding that! So cute! And even with this, we still get sucky cut versions in the syndication.  |
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Post by lea on May 30, 2015 5:13:48 GMT
If there's a shocking death and a new female character, that seems like it's Emily who dies. I've grown very fond of her so that's a sad thought. But PM did say they were focusing more on the core characters in S9, prehaps he actually meant the original characters, that would again point to the death possibly being Emily. I'm not sure which other death is feasible or would have a shocking impact. It's possible Brackenreid may be it, but I don't see William being the Inspector. And I can't see the actor wanting to leave. William can't be killed off, Julia would never be killed off, neither would George. I don't think it's Higgins as we need other constables, and he's always been secondary main cast. It could be Jackson, something violent that would effect Station House no4. I'm thinking Emily or Jackson. Emily's death seems to be predicted annually. However' PM doesn't see her as a peripheral character: she's his creation. I hate to say it, but I think it would have to be Edna. Otherwise George is on track to be married too early: for the sake of the structure of the show he kind of has to be a perma-bachelor. But he would be a cad if he never married Edna after he just proposed. Edna's death might give George additional reason for "penance-mode" in remaining a constable, too. I figured the murder would drive her out of the picture. The death is supposed to shake up SH4, would her's do that outside of George? |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:18:48 GMT
Interesting interview. She is definitely going to be a completely different character with her own story arc woven into the ongoing plotline. I strongly suspect this will have a great deal to do with prejudice as well as the suffragist movement. Hodge has suggested that "Rebecca" might be hired as a maid/housekeeper in the Murdoch/Ogden household. This makes a lot of sense to me as the opportunities for seamless interactions are endless. Employing a bright young black woman would be completely within Julia's character. That might be historically correct, but would the politics of today allow the first *regular* black character to be hired as the maid? Since when did MM care about being politically correct. They deal with situations the way they were dealt with in the times. That's one of the things I like about it. I hate political correctness, it robs people of their right to air their opinion. After seeing the interview with the actress I don't think she'll be a maid. It's just my way of making the new character less obtrusive in the stories. After last season's overload of characters I'm wary of even more characters being introduced. According to history we probably shouldn't be seeing Margaret Haile again as she seemed to disappear. Unfortunately we'll be seeing Lillian again and Edna's still here so we've still got two out of the three characters from last year or even all of them plus ANOTHER new character! Not liking this idea at all. |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:26:42 GMT
Emily's death seems to be predicted annually. However' PM doesn't see her as a peripheral character: she's his creation. I hate to say it, but I think it would have to be Edna. Otherwise George is on track to be married too early: for the sake of the structure of the show he kind of has to be a perma-bachelor. But he would be a cad if he never married Edna after he just proposed. Edna's death might give George additional reason for "penance-mode" in remaining a constable, too. I figured the murder would drive her out of the picture. The death is supposed to shake up SH4, would her's do that outside of George? This is what everyone seems to be forgetting. The death is supposed to 'bring great change to the world of Station No. 4'. Edna's death would hardly do that. Surely it has to be someone from the SH? |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:27:52 GMT
PM always says never give the fans what they want. If he doesn't start giving us something that we want he'll drive us away. It's him that will lose out in the end, we'll lose our fave show but he'll be out of a job.... Doubt Peter Mitchell would be out of a job for long..........I've said it before, but exactly which group of fans is he supposed to listen to? Personally, I'd rather he not listen to people who don't represent me, and I am going to watch and see how this plays out, exactly like I do for every season...... Good writers never give writers what the fans are asking for. If writers delivered to fans what they were already thinking about, that would be boring. Even if you think you want to see a particular actor or couple get more screen time, if it isn't well-integrated into the story, it just becomes awkward fan service. The same fans who cried out for it will be just as quick to yawn and walk away from the show. It is much better to trust the writers and be delightfully surprised if the show has kept up it's good writing staff and creative qualities. I do think the writers betray the audience if they return sloppy work or they undermine character arcs the audience has every write to expect from the show's own history as constructed by the writers themselves. For instance if we tuned in to MM in the Fall and suddenly William was a wise-cracking extrovert who had a penchant for loud ties, then that would be betraying the character arc that had been built over time. That's how I feel about the "Affair of Julia" last year: the show's history/arc says that Julia is William's wife. It's not a matter of "writer's surprise" as to whether to make Julia part of the or not any more. The audience has reason to expect her to be part of the show, and any absence needs to be very well explained. |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:28:57 GMT
I figured the murder would drive her out of the picture. The death is supposed to shake up SH4, would her's do that outside of George? This is what everyone seems to be forgetting. The death is supposed to 'bring great change to the world of Station No. 4'. Edna's death would hardly do that. Surely it has to be someone from the SH? Edna's death would if it changed George...? |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:35:15 GMT
That might be historically correct, but would the politics of today allow the first *regular* black character to be hired as the maid? Since when did MM care about being politically correct. They deal with situations the way they were dealt with in the times. That's one of the things I like about it. I hate political correctness, it robs people of their right to air their opinion. After seeing the interview with the actress I don't think she'll be a maid. It's just my way of making the new character less obtrusive in the stories. After last season's overload of characters I'm wary of even more characters being introduced. According to history we probably shouldn't be seeing Margaret Haile again as she seemed to disappear. Unfortunately we'll be seeing Lillian again and Edna's still here so we've still got two out of the three characters from last year or even all of them plus ANOTHER new character! Not liking this idea at all. Hey wait a minute - in speaking of Lillian, I argued all season that her action's were historically viable, but people kept judging her on whether she was rude or not! Now for Rebecca we're back to whether it's historically correct?  That said, my first response was also that MM was already over-burdened in too many side-characters and B-stories: I couldn't believe they were bringing in another. But now I'm thinking it's a move to expand their audience. |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:38:56 GMT
And who was it who wanted a two hour Xmas special? from the link I posted above "This season, viewers will be captivated when MURDOCH MYSTERIES presents a two-hour original holiday special. When a philanthropist is found dead before the holidays and the presents he distributes to Toronto’s orphans go missing, it is up to Murdoch, Ogden and the team at Station No. 4 to solve the mystery and save Christmas." I love the thought of William and Julia being mixed up with the orphans. Can't help but wonder if the talk of adoption will rise later in the series. Thanks for posting. I don't know if this was my idea but I think a holiday special is great for a show like MM which can play at a "family" level. Well we know the Inspector can't be dead yet, because he's going to end up playing Santa!  |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:39:37 GMT
Doubt Peter Mitchell would be out of a job for long..........I've said it before, but exactly which group of fans is he supposed to listen to? Personally, I'd rather he not listen to people who don't represent me, and I am going to watch and see how this plays out, exactly like I do for every season...... That's how I feel about the "Affair of Julia" last year: the show's history/arc says that Julia is William's wife. It's not a matter of "writer's surprise" as to whether to make Julia part of the or not any more. The audience has reason to expect her to be part of the show, and any absence needs to be very well explained. This is actually what I'm talking about when I say you have to give the fans some of what they want. Last year the only fans that got anything were the mystery fans and whilst I did like most of the mysteries the complete lack of Jilliam left me wondering what I was watching a lot of the time. I still tuned in every week, hoping to see Jilliam THIS week, but alas nothing until the last ep. Perhaps that's why I was so enamoured of it. I'm not sure if I could stand another season of frustration. I'm hoping S9 will be as enjoyable as all the previous seasons, including S5, which despite the lack of Jilliam had some good eps. In this case though there was good reason for no Jilliam, S8 there was NOT. Once again, having said that the Jilliam I really wanted to see was them working together more than as lovers. |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:40:12 GMT
This is what everyone seems to be forgetting. The death is supposed to 'bring great change to the world of Station No. 4'. Edna's death would hardly do that. Surely it has to be someone from the SH? Edna's death would if it changed George...? I don't agree, it wouldn't affect the whole SH. |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:43:56 GMT
Since when did MM care about being politically correct. They deal with situations the way they were dealt with in the times. That's one of the things I like about it. I hate political correctness, it robs people of their right to air their opinion. After seeing the interview with the actress I don't think she'll be a maid. It's just my way of making the new character less obtrusive in the stories. After last season's overload of characters I'm wary of even more characters being introduced. According to history we probably shouldn't be seeing Margaret Haile again as she seemed to disappear. Unfortunately we'll be seeing Lillian again and Edna's still here so we've still got two out of the three characters from last year or even all of them plus ANOTHER new character! Not liking this idea at all. Hey wait a minute - in speaking of Lillian, I argued all season that her action's were historically viable, but people kept judging her on whether she was rude or not! Now for Rebecca we're back to whether it's historically correct? That said, my first response was also that MM was already over-burdened in too many side-characters and B-stories: I couldn't believe they were bringing in another. But now I'm thinking it's a move to expand their audience. It may expand the audience in one direction whilst losing audience in others. Last year we didn't just have an A & B plot we also had a C plot. It had to to deal with so many characters when some of those characters had nothing to do with the mystery. I really don't want to see that again this year. Not to mention some of the B plots were stupid i.e. Bobby and Simon's boxing match.... |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:43:58 GMT
The teasers are coming fast and furious now that filming has started and they want to get ahead of fans posting location shoot pics on social media. Sooooo exciting! I am delighted to hear about a Christmas special...it's almost like having a 20 episode season. I wonder if it will be set up as a stand-alone movie or an extended Chistmas episode? I'm wondering if this is extra to the 18 eps or just an extended one or if they're even just splicing two eps together to make one two hour ep. in which case it would be like having 17 eps. Ok, I'm on a downer today about the new season. It's not the death, though I'm not happy about that, it's the new character and the continuation of the suffragette arc that took so much away from last years storylines. Not to mention Lillian is still here!! Hanging head....  The suffrage movement was handled in a super boring way (chiefly by separating the "woman's plot"): but it's such an essential part of the era that they should refer to it as a touchstone. I wonder if the new character is being brought in to reference the various fractures in the suffrage movement over racism, etc. |
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Post by Hodge on May 30, 2015 5:47:34 GMT
Hey wait a minute - in speaking of Lillian, I argued all season that her action's were historically viable, but people kept judging her on whether she was rude or not! Now for Rebecca we're back to whether it's historically correct? Nobody ever said Lillian's character wasn't historically correct. Just because someone is historically correct doesn't mean we have to like them. I found her totally intolerable and I'm not happy she's back. |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2015 5:49:56 GMT
It may expand the audience in one direction whilst losing audience in others. Last year we didn't just have an A & B plot we also had a C plot. It had to to deal with so many characters when some of those characters had nothing to do with the mystery. I really don't want to see that again this year. Not to mention some of the B plots were stupid i.e. Bobby and Simon's boxing match.... I share your concerns about subplots. At the same time offering white characters to a white audience shuts a lot of people out, so I can see where they might want to test the waters and see who else might like to find some reflection in history. |
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