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Post by lizmc on Nov 1, 2016 4:26:44 GMT
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Post by Harryhopeful on Nov 1, 2016 9:47:06 GMT
I haven't not enjoyed the first few episodes but I have really missed any romanatic interaction between William and Julia. They have gone back to being colleagues not married! William isn't the most attentive shown by the last episode of season 9, Julia comes to rescue him he hasn't seen her since he was told she may not wake up yet he hardly looks at her ,would of thought at least a hug, more interested in Eva, then gets in the buggy to supposedly comfort her and looks more pissed off! The second episode Julia comes out of bedroom feeling better, rather than hug her, he turns his back on her. Is the actor overplaying the lack of emotion or affection. I'd be really worried if I were Juli..yes a tv show but we do become invested
I know but come on man show some affection!!
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 1, 2016 13:00:31 GMT
Well, another convoluted plot!
Of course William was right all along....duh!
I quite enjoyed Det. Watts. He brought a whole new version of detective...not MacDonald or Slorach or Giles. He thinks more like George. 
Question: is it believable that a Detective with the Toronto Constabulary would never have met the city coroner? However, I quite enjoyed Watts comments about coroners and pretty women. 
This reporter, Miss Cherry is something else. Rather tabloid for a paper like the Gazette IMO. Should be interesting to see if she becomes a recurring character. Perhaps this is the season of convoluted plots. I quite enjoyed it but not sure about Watts, I'm not fond of off the wall characters. I did like his interactions with William though. I guess it depends how new he is and what cases he's investigated before. If he hasn't had a murder case perhaps he wouldn't have met the coroner. Now we know why William got physical with the suspect, he was casting aspersions at Julia. I got the impression the journalist may be a recurring character. I agree that I found him a bit grating at times, but then I did enjoy how he played off of William. So, we'll see if there's another reason to see him again. To be perfectly honest, I don't know that I saw him as all that of a brilliant detective. He already seemed convinced that the case had been botched and was just looking for the first piece of evidence on which to hang the theory. He also hadn't done much in the way investigating himself, and also seemed to let the suspect drive the investigation and call the shots. He did not strike me as someone who knew how to lead an investigation-it seemed that he was being led by the investigation! When I saw the clip, I wondered if the guy hadn't said or threatened something against Julia or another woman. Funny how William is a pretty cool customer unless someone threatens a woman he cares about (usually Julia.) I suspect that this is not the last we'll be seeing of that journalist, I agree with LoveMondays that she does indeed some quite tabloid as opposed to serious journalist however. I quite enjoyed this episode, and I'll fully admit that I did not see the son as a killer until the near end. Poor mom, of course she was right, her douchebag of a husband did make their son a murderer. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 1, 2016 13:13:16 GMT
I haven't not enjoyed the first few episodes but I have really missed any romanatic interaction between William and Julia. They have gone back to being colleagues not married! William isn't the most attentive shown by the last episode of season 9, Julia comes to rescue him he hasn't seen her since he was told she may not wake up yet he hardly looks at her ,would of thought at least a hug, more interested in Eva, then gets in the buggy to supposedly comfort her and looks more off! The second episode Julia comes out of bedroom feeling better, rather than hug her, he turns his back on her. Is the actor overplaying the lack of emotion or affection. I'd be really worried if I were Juli..yes a tv show but we do become invested I know but come on man show some affection!! I don't know that we're back to season eight levels of aloofness between the two, and while I think there's evidence of them caring for one another, there's not a great deal to suggest that this is a couple madly in love with one another either, I agree. We had some loving playfulness between them at the beginning of last season, but it seems to have receded a bit to a comfortable companionship. I hadn't viewed it with this viewpoint, but now I'm wondering how many scenes they've had with one another this season and if that isn't the problem. I was hoping this episode was going to feature the two of them working together, but it sadly didn't. They both featured prominently in the episode, just not together unfortunately. But it is quite evident that they care about one another. I don't think that it's quite as bad as season eight in the emotionlessness of it, but I suspect that this is our new normal, and that the romance seems to have cooled between them somewhat. While it's sad to see it go, I suppose this is more realistic. While I do still enjoy the show, it has definitely changed in this aspect. The passion from the UST is gone and William and Julia are now a comfortable, old married couple. It is what it is, and I guess that I'll enjoy how both characters are being utilized this season. Which is more than I can say for season eight. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 1, 2016 16:18:44 GMT
I agree that I found him a bit grating at times, but then I did enjoy how he played off of William. So, we'll see if there's another reason to see him again. To be perfectly honest, I don't know that I saw him as all that of a brilliant detective. He already seemed convinced that the case had been botched and was just looking for the first piece of evidence on which to hang the theory. He also hadn't done much in the way investigating himself, and also seemed to let the suspect drive the investigation and call the shots. He did not strike me as someone who knew how to lead an investigation-it seemed that he was being led by the investigation! When I saw the clip, I wondered if the guy hadn't said or threatened something against Julia or another woman. Funny how William is a pretty cool customer unless someone threatens a woman he cares about (usually Julia.) I suspect that this is not the last we'll be seeing of that journalist, I agree with LoveMondays that she does indeed some quite tabloid as opposed to serious journalist however. I quite enjoyed this episode, and I'll fully admit that I did not see the son as a killer until the near end. Poor mom, of course she was right, her douchebag of a husband did make their son a murderer. It seemed to me that he thought he'd been brought in to prove the man innocent rather than investigate his possible guilt. He assumed he was dealing with a detective that didn't know what he was doing and used the usual tactics of assuming guilt and looking for evidence to prove it like most other detectives we've seen. I didn't find him brilliant, I found him scatterbrained and annoying, he hardly seemed to be able to connect two thoughts together. I guess I'm just too used to William's logical thinking. I have to say the actor did a really good job with the character though. If you want to make William mad threaten or say something against Julia. He's pretty predictable there. I suspect the journalist will become a possible love interest for George. Not sure about that but I don't like his current love interest either. Despite everything I really enjoyed this episode, it's good to see William off kilter occasionally. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 1, 2016 16:21:42 GMT
I don't know that we're back to season eight levels of aloofness between the two, and while I think there's evidence of them caring for one another, there's not a great deal to suggest that this is a couple madly in love with one another either, I agree. We had some loving playfulness between them at the beginning of last season, but it seems to have receded a bit to a comfortable companionship. I hadn't viewed it with this viewpoint, but now I'm wondering how many scenes they've had with one another this season and if that isn't the problem. I was hoping this episode was going to feature the two of them working together, but it sadly didn't. They both featured prominently in the episode, just not together unfortunately. But it is quite evident that they care about one another. I don't think that it's quite as bad as season eight in the emotionlessness of it, but I suspect that this is our new normal, and that the romance seems to have cooled between them somewhat. While it's sad to see it go, I suppose this is more realistic. While I do still enjoy the show, it has definitely changed in this aspect. The passion from the UST is gone and William and Julia are now a comfortable, old married couple. It is what it is, and I guess that I'll enjoy how both characters are being utilized this season. Which is more than I can say for season eight. I'm a reluctant shipper but fell headlong for this relationship and I'm not seeing what made it so compelling any more. I almost miss the days they were apart, there was more love in the scenes between them than there is now they're married. That's the problem when you marry off a couple that has so much UST it's lost as soon as the wedding's over. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 1, 2016 16:30:28 GMT
I don't know that we're back to season eight levels of aloofness between the two, and while I think there's evidence of them caring for one another, there's not a great deal to suggest that this is a couple madly in love with one another either, I agree. We had some loving playfulness between them at the beginning of last season, but it seems to have receded a bit to a comfortable companionship. I hadn't viewed it with this viewpoint, but now I'm wondering how many scenes they've had with one another this season and if that isn't the problem. I was hoping this episode was going to feature the two of them working together, but it sadly didn't. They both featured prominently in the episode, just not together unfortunately. But it is quite evident that they care about one another. I don't think that it's quite as bad as season eight in the emotionlessness of it, but I suspect that this is our new normal, and that the romance seems to have cooled between them somewhat. While it's sad to see it go, I suppose this is more realistic. While I do still enjoy the show, it has definitely changed in this aspect. The passion from the UST is gone and William and Julia are now a comfortable, old married couple. It is what it is, and I guess that I'll enjoy how both characters are being utilized this season. Which is more than I can say for season eight. That's the problem when you marry off a couple that has so much UST it's lost as soon as the wedding's over. See, I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. Someone else and I were just discussing this, and while it doesn't have to be present in every episode, every so often would be nice. I don't think we'll be getting any next week either, as this is supposedly going to be a Rebecca driven episode (yay!). But, they seem to acknowledge and care for one another (more than season 8, again), and they're happy. I think this is the new normal, sadly, as I miss Jilliam. But it seems that ship has sailed, so to speak. |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 1, 2016 23:39:49 GMT
I assume we'll probably see Watts again, he's a bit of an idiot, but he isn't completely useless. The mystery wasn't too hard to work out, and I'd already pinpointed the father and son for the separate murders.
A 12-year-old case must be one of the first one's William and Julia worked on together, a dying Liza was probably still alive at that point. I never believed that W/J made a mistake on the case, they're too good at their jobs.
It was cute how William was so offended when Watts and Shanley insulted Julia. It's no wonder William lost control for a second and grabbed Shanley. Don't disrespect his wife on a personal or professional level.
I noticed George had more chemistry with and more in common with the reporter than he has with Nina. It seems like he almost always has better chemistry with his non-love interests, than he does his girlfriends. Edna being the only exception to that.
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Post by shangas on Nov 1, 2016 23:58:01 GMT
This will sound pretty terrible - But I enjoyed this episode much more than the last three. I found it interesting, twisty, and funny all at once. Although I can't wait to punch Det. Watts in the face!
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Post by Hodge on Nov 2, 2016 0:21:37 GMT
That's the problem when you marry off a couple that has so much UST it's lost as soon as the wedding's over. See, I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. Someone else and I were just discussing this, and while it doesn't have to be present in every episode, every so often would be nice. I don't think we'll be getting any next week either, as this is supposedly going to be a Rebecca driven episode (yay!). But, they seem to acknowledge and care for one another (more than season 8, again), and they're happy. I think this is the new normal, sadly, as I miss Jilliam. But it seems that ship has sailed, so to speak. Yes, I miss Jilliam too, it added something to the show that's sadly lacking now and you don't see such an angst ridden relationship very often. It allowed for the actors to stretch their emotions occasionally. |
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Post by lizmc on Nov 2, 2016 4:08:41 GMT
Finally got to see this, via the computer.....what an exercise in frustration that was.....anyway, not sure what I thought of this episode......I may enjoy it more when I get to see it in reruns properly on the TV, but I found Watts annoying....Miss Cherry was a good secondary character, but god, George is easy to manipulate. It was good to see Brackenreid and Rebecca back.....the history geek in me thought about how often the ice pick was used as a murder weapon in novels of a certain period (Murdoch has mentioned them a couple of times), yet most people today wouldn't even know what one was, unless they are snowmobilers and have an emergency set to use in case they go through the ice....I don't know why, but I was surprised to see Murdoch eat a hot dog.....
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Post by Hodge on Nov 2, 2016 6:27:37 GMT
I don't know why, but I was surprised to see Murdoch eat a hot dog..... Actually Murdoch nursed a hot dog, it never reached his mouth. However he did seem to eat some of the food in the hotel restaurant. So we do have proof (from several episodes in the hotel) that he does actually eat sometimes. Perhaps he likes the hotel food.... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 2, 2016 6:48:18 GMT
Finally got to see this, via the computer.....what an exercise in frustration that was.....anyway, not sure what I thought of this episode......I may enjoy it more when I get to see it in reruns properly on the TV, but I found Watts annoying....Miss Cherry was a good secondary character, but god, George is easy to manipulate. It was good to see Brackenreid and Rebecca back.....the history geek in me thought about how often the ice pick was used as a murder weapon in novels of a certain period (Murdoch has mentioned them a couple of times), yet most people today wouldn't even know what one was, unless they are snowmobilers and have an emergency set to use in case they go through the ice....I don't know why, but I was surprised to see Murdoch eat a hot dog..... I'd forgotten about that...I seriously LOL'd at that one. Such an homage to modern cop shows... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 2, 2016 6:49:28 GMT
I don't know why, but I was surprised to see Murdoch eat a hot dog..... Actually Murdoch nursed a hot dog, it never reached his mouth. However he did seem to eat some of the food in the hotel restaurant. So we do have proof (from several episodes in the hotel) that he does actually eat sometimes. Perhaps he likes the hotel food.... Maybe they try to limit eating because keeping food around is a pain, and two...they don't want it to get on the wardrobe? |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 2, 2016 12:13:11 GMT
I liked the William and Julia scenes we got in this episode, and how angry or annoyed William became when Watts and Shanley insulted Julia. I thought it was cute. I don't need W/J to have angst to enjoy them and I don't think they've lost their love story. They've already had some angst in 10x01 and 10x02, not to mention in the recent S9 finale. They even both saved each others lives, again. Sure, we could do with some kisses being included, but cute couple moments are also nice to watch.
I'm fine with them being a happy crime solving couple in episodes, in between their personal crisis that inevitably pop up. The show couldn't keep them on the romance merry-go-round of S1-7, it would've turned off viewers if they'd dragged it out any longer. And it's not like in S8 were they really were put on the back-burner, and it felt wrong and dull. This is more like S9, and I liked their relationship then. They get plenty of scenes together, so other than wanting some new kisses, I'm happy enough with them as they are now. They're bound to have more drama thrown at them as the season goes on, and we should get some cute laughs with their house building.
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