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Post by Hodge on Dec 7, 2016 20:20:47 GMT
George wasn't controlling with Edna, they had a healthy relationship and were equals with each other. He is controlling with Nina, or as controlling as he's allowed to get away with. I don't like how he acts around Nina and I don't like how he tries to subtly change her. That is why I dislike their relationship, and the fact it's getting too much unnecessary focus and it has nothing to do with the premise of MM. Edna fitted into the show better, and so would someone like Miss Cherry. Nina sticks out like a sore thumb and she doesn't suit George as a character. I don't find it believable she'd go for a guy like him, and she wouldn't fall in love with him. Nina shouldn't have to change just to keep George, especially when he's already showing clear interest in another woman. George wasn't controlling with Edna because she behaved the way George expected a woman to behave. Nina flouts convention and it doesn't sit well with George, he's a traditional man, he expected to marry Nina after they spent the night together because that's what a decent moral man does. Nina's not the right woman for him, Emily wasn't the right woman for him - even before her fling with Lillian, Edna is the right woman. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 7, 2016 22:56:36 GMT
George wasn't controlling with Edna, they had a healthy relationship and were equals with each other. He is controlling with Nina, or as controlling as he's allowed to get away with. I don't like how he acts around Nina and I don't like how he tries to subtly change her. That is why I dislike their relationship, and the fact it's getting too much unnecessary focus and it has nothing to do with the premise of MM. Edna fitted into the show better, and so would someone like Miss Cherry. Nina sticks out like a sore thumb and she doesn't suit George as a character. I don't find it believable she'd go for a guy like him, and she wouldn't fall in love with him. Nina shouldn't have to change just to keep George, especially when he's already showing clear interest in another woman. George wasn't controlling with Edna because she behaved the way George expected a woman to behave. Nina flouts convention and it doesn't sit well with George, he's a traditional man, he expected to marry Nina after they spent the night together because that's what a decent moral man does. Nina's not the right woman for him, Emily wasn't the right woman for him - even before her fling with Lillian, Edna is the right woman. Edna had spark and she had some modern ideals, I don't think she really acted like a classic Edwardian woman was expected to act. Her and George just had more in common and their personalities fit better. Him and Nina do not fit. He keeps trying to change her and it's unfair to Nina. She's fine as she is. I agree that Emily definitely wasn't right for George either. The only time the show has matched George up with a woman who suits him is when he has been with Edna. I think she is the Julia to his William. But until if and when Edna ever returns then someone like Miss Cherry is a good choice for him. They have romantic chemistry (which he has zero of with Nina), and her being a reporter is useful to the plots. I have a bad feeling that PM isn't through with Nina and George. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 8, 2016 11:46:17 GMT
Of course she meant William. They've kissed loads of times on the show and she always acts like she loves it. William is her dream man. He might not be for plenty of other women, but he is for Julia. I don't dislike Nina as a character, she's quite entertaining and I like her modern ideals, but I don't like her unhealthy and forced romance with George, and I don't think she has a place on the show. The Burlesque scenes always just feel like needless filler ala the Suffragette stuff in S8. I didn't say I didn't think she meant W, I just said it doesn't mean she meant W. She could be thinking about the hot UofT boytoy she picked up at the soccer match.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 8, 2016 12:12:29 GMT
I'm telling you man, I was only half kidding, but it raises the question, why was Julia hanging around all those soccer players a few weeks ago? Was it because she's bored? Maybe she enjoys watching soccer, played by fit young men? It's possible, but so is my theory. You know, because there's nothing really there to suggest that they're in love.  I'm probably going to shipper hell for this, but part of me hopes she does have an affair because maybe William would actually emote when he found out!
It's possible, but the alternative is more interesting!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 8, 2016 12:17:58 GMT
To be honest I never hated Nina, but I didn't absolutly adore her either. Personally I thought she was good for him - bringing him out of his comfort zone and providing an alternative to a more traditional relationship - like the one he had with Edna. In a sense he needed to not be with someone tradionally like Edna for a bit just because her loss really hit him hard. George I feel was rather controlling in this relationship (which made me uncomfortable at times) than in past ones for the same reasons. Edna turned out to still be married (although her husband did promptly die) George thought they could be together - a family and then that was shattered by forces he couldn't control. I hope that in his next relationship he breaks out of this need to control - as it really didn't suit him. George wasn't controlling with Edna, they had a healthy relationship and were equals with each other. He is controlling with Nina, or as controlling as he's allowed to get away with. I don't like how he acts around Nina and I don't like how he tries to subtly change her. That is why I dislike their relationship, and the fact it's getting too much unnecessary focus and it has nothing to do with the premise of MM. Edna fitted into the show better, and so would someone like Miss Cherry. Nina sticks out like a sore thumb and she doesn't suit George as a character. I don't find it believable she'd go for a guy like him, and she wouldn't fall in love with him. Nina shouldn't have to change just to keep George, especially when he's already showing clear interest in another woman. I may be in a minority here, but I have no issues with William this season. I find him as watchable as always and other than my wanting a few more W/J scenes, I'm not too displeased with how things are going there. I don't want forced drama for the sake of it. It's not that I find William unwatchable, it's just that he's not entirely there. I miss the complex, multi-layered William of yore, when he behavior was contradictory to what he said, was undergoing some sort of growth, and showed depth. The William of this season seems shallow, particularly in comparison to previous seasons. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 8, 2016 12:19:41 GMT
George wasn't controlling with Edna, they had a healthy relationship and were equals with each other. He is controlling with Nina, or as controlling as he's allowed to get away with. I don't like how he acts around Nina and I don't like how he tries to subtly change her. That is why I dislike their relationship, and the fact it's getting too much unnecessary focus and it has nothing to do with the premise of MM. Edna fitted into the show better, and so would someone like Miss Cherry. Nina sticks out like a sore thumb and she doesn't suit George as a character. I don't find it believable she'd go for a guy like him, and she wouldn't fall in love with him. Nina shouldn't have to change just to keep George, especially when he's already showing clear interest in another woman. George wasn't controlling with Edna because she behaved the way George expected a woman to behave. Nina flouts convention and it doesn't sit well with George, he's a traditional man, he expected to marry Nina after they spent the night together because that's what a decent moral man does. Nina's not the right woman for him, Emily wasn't the right woman for him - even before her fling with Lillian, Edna is the right woman. Agreed that Nina is not the woman for him, but I enjoy her character nonetheless. I think she's challenging what he thought he would always marry. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 8, 2016 12:45:44 GMT
Did anyone else notice the racy pictures Pendrick found in Thomas's den? Another WTF moment for me. Completely unnecessary and frankly, it diminishes him IMO.
So yeah, I didn't catch that the first time around (so much going on-I'm going to have to rewatch it again because who knows what else I missed), and sure enough, not once, but twice. Both of the scenes in Thomas' study have nude photos. So as a part of his mid-life crisis, Brax is now looking at porn. Anyone else catch/note that the scene of Pendrick's laboratory seemed to be a poke at the offices of tech startups today with pianos, baristas making free coffee, sports, free food, etc. Now I feel I need to rewatch that scene with the pause button at the ready to see what I missed there. |
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Post by meoldmucker on Dec 9, 2016 11:14:22 GMT
When I saw Peter Stebbings name in the opening credits, I did what I always do..." THE RETURN OF JAMES PENDRICK!" Love the character! When I finished watching the episode, I couldn't help feeling thoroughly let down!
I do not have an issue with the George/Nina romance storyline, but I do miss the George/Edna arc. Adding Miss Cherry into the picture seems a little formulaic though. Why do George's relationships always seem to end with the insertion of another party?
One thing I have noticed recently is that it seems like Murdoch himself is being written more as a comic foil than as the lead character. I've been feeling like his character has been written more like Henry Higgins, mostly loveable, but somehow socially inept away from an actual investigation! I mean, the line in the previous episode about going back to his boarding house to get his haircut on Wednesdays, as an excuse to have the landlady's beef stew???
My speculation is this: Brackenreid will be back, probably by episode 12 or 13, and will become the new Chief Constable. Slorach will come in as Inspector, cuz we all know, " no Papist will be Inspector in Protestant Toronto", and George will once again be promoted to detective...but only because I see a return of another classic character to cause trouble a la James Gillies...but who? Eva Pearce is dead,as is Gillies, and Meyers may be dead, so who? Possibly the Black Hand? Maybe Meyers' nemesis, Alan the American spy? Someone has to arrive on scene to give us the shake up/ shocker story arc we all seem to be craving
That's my nickel's worth of armchair quarterbacking for now, but I think the last 9 episodes this season are going to be very interesting!!
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Post by Hodge on Dec 17, 2016 0:56:21 GMT
I'm not yet at my breaking point. I'm waiting for those angsty eps, they seem to be the ones I enjoy most and we haven't seen any this season. I'm beginning to feel that we've been given the light stuff first to soften us up and in the second half of the season we're going to be hit HARD with the angst. If that's the case putting all the light, playful eps first is a good idea because if things go the way I think having a funny ep in the middle will just be wrong. It seems I may have been right in my prediction. |
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Post by lilac on Dec 23, 2016 3:57:58 GMT
Putting my two cents in because I had to put off watching the season until now. I am hoping the next half of the season will be better. I've watched all the episodes but in each one as much as I may have liked them I felt like something was missing. I became easily distracted, felt exhausted by how convoluted the cases were and in others guessed the murderer far too early. Thinking about it, the things that I want to see are interesting, thrilling, mind-boggling cases. I want to see William excited and inspired, creating crude inventions from modern times and all of those tongue and cheek references. I want to see Julia actually having something figurately meaty for her to sink her teeth into. I want George to feel well used a character. Every time we go to the burlesque club, I'm just bored and I actually take burlesque lessons. But it just feels like an unnecessary detour to the rest of the episode and an exercise in George being judgmental and controlling. I think that's it, I want them all to feel inspired and fresh. It just feels too wooden and formulaic for me and echoing past comments, like there's too much attention on seeking new viewers.
As much as I hate to say it, the show isn't meant to last 15+ seasons and it is going to end in the next couple of years. I would like more than just a few subtle callbacks and to actually build upon the growth and discoveries from past seasons. And maybe stop killing recurring characters. I liked how they wrote off Roger and Patty but it still rubs me the wrong way how they got rid of the female archaeologist and the secret agent and Eva.
Speaking on this episode, I really didn't like the lurker idea, it just seemed too close to the kissing bandit arc and in that episode, it actually worked as a concept. This just seemed like an unnecessary Pendrick episode and I actually like Pendrick as a character. Is it wrong to just want Pendrick to have a good healthy relationship and a nice little life where he travels and invents little things and doesn't get screwed over and heartbroken?
It just seems like, on a whole, the focus this season is on the detailed sets and high concepts with minimal writing effort behind the entrenched natural character beats.
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Post by lea on Jan 2, 2017 18:18:17 GMT
When I saw Peter Stebbings name in the opening credits, I did what I always do..." THE RETURN OF JAMES PENDRICK!" Love the character! When I finished watching the episode, I couldn't help feeling thoroughly let down! I'm nearly a month late with my reply but would agree. This one will be filed in my alternate MM universe with The Filmed Adventures. |
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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Jan 19, 2017 2:20:43 GMT
When I saw Peter Stebbings name in the opening credits, I did what I always do..." THE RETURN OF JAMES PENDRICK!" Love the character! When I finished watching the episode, I couldn't help feeling thoroughly let down! Very late to the discussion but life has been busy busy. I agree. This was a real "Huh?" episode. I know James was on drugs, but he was simply wacky. Someone mentioned the painting in the background and that caught my attention, too. It made me wonder if Sally will be back...with James. I luffed those two together. I hope she brings him to the dark side! Anyhoo, I never suspected the sausage dude. It's been over a month when I watched the episode, so I'm having a hard time remembering all that happened. |
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Post by Jumper on Oct 8, 2018 11:31:00 GMT
Im guessing He called it jumper because guarana is the main ingredient in kickstart, red bull, or most other energy drinks on the market and they're just over exaggerating things like they do so often in Murdoch.
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