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Post by Hodge on Nov 26, 2016 17:18:54 GMT
Murdoch strives to apprehend a lecherous costumed criminal known as The Lurker, whose amorous encounters have escalated to murder.
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Post by lizmc on Dec 2, 2016 23:55:22 GMT
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Post by lovemondays on Dec 6, 2016 3:04:44 GMT
Soooo many questions and so few answers. Anybody else having a WTF moment (hour) with this one? It was so off the wall and convoluted that I had to see it twice before I got it. In the first scene I thought Paddy Glynn's Kissing Bandit was back...and the woman reacted the same way as Annabelle Rose.
As soon as Thomas came back he was saying "My life's half over and I've barely scratched the surface". He said it twice. Sounds like he's contemplating a change, but I didn't expect him to go larking off with Pendrick to Panama. Too bad time constraints prevented Margaret from giving him the 'right bollocking' he deserved for that decision.
You could have knocked me over with a feather when William agreed to go to the bar and then he was treated very badly by both Brax and Pendrick. That scene is not sitting well with me. Yes, Pendrick was trying to get his guarana back but he is usually a smoother operator than that, especially since he truly like Murdoch.
Guarana - a member of the maple family whose beans are similar in size to coffee beans. They contain about twice the concentration of caffeine that coffee beans do. So Pendrick's manic reaction makes partial sense. Best line of the episode...Julia "I've had better". 
Am I missing a reference as to why he calls his formula the "Jumper"?
Did anyone else notice the racy pictures Pendrick found in Thomas's den? Another WTF moment for me. Completely unnecessary and frankly, it diminishes him IMO.
I did like the reappearance of the Bert Lightman painting. Is James still carrying a torch for Sally?
Loved Julia's tie in the scene where she's examining the sword.
I'm sad that Nina didn't have enough faith in George (or herself). Some have considered a romance between George and Louise Cherry. 
This was the halfway point of the season. Still not seeing anything but stand-alone episodes, no linking arcs. I'm so glad we have the Christmas special next week because I would not like to have that to hold me over the winter break.
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Post by Hodge on Dec 6, 2016 3:46:58 GMT
Have to admit I had a WTF moment with this one. Totally agree with everything you've said. Roll on next week! If Thomas Craig is leaving, and it's looking like he is, I'd be happy if Insp. Slorach came back as I doubt Murdoch would be promoted and the show wouldn't be the same if he was. |
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Post by murdochic on Dec 6, 2016 5:20:07 GMT
Pendrick has been shown to be blinded by his work and he has made dumb mistakes before. Though I agree the episode felt a bit outlandish, but it was entertaining enough. How Brackenreid has been written temporarily out of things was a kind of dumb, but if the actor only wanted part-time in S10 they have to get him out of the way somehow. I don't really mind this being the final proper episode before the christmas break, but last weeks episode was better.
I had to laugh at how Julia didn't like Pendrick's kiss. Confirmation that William is a better kisser than James, at least to Julia. William is her benchmark for other men and they come up lacking.
I really don't want a love triangle between Nina, George and Miss Cherry. I am bored with George & Nina and their endless dramas and unhealthy relationship. Just keep them ended for the sake of George's character arc. Both characters deserve better than each other. He showed yet again he has more chemistry and more in common with Miss Cherry and if he has to date someone then I'd prefer her.
I'm not sure what we've meant to have gotten out of Nina and the Burlesque club but it feels a lot like the Suffragette storyline in S8, and it doesn't fit well in the show. Admittedly, it's more a bit more entertaining than the Suffragette storyline, but I could still easily do without it. I'm hoping it's ended and we get George doing other things in the 2nd half of S10.
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Post by Hodge on Dec 6, 2016 8:08:25 GMT
I had to laugh at how Julia didn't like Pendrick's kiss. Confirmation that William is a better kisser than James, at least to Julia. William is her benchmark for other men and they come up lacking. I really don't want a love triangle between Nina, George and Miss Cherry. I am bored with George & Nina and their endless dramas and unhealthy relationship. Just keep them ended for the sake of George's character arc. Both characters deserve better than each other. He showed yet again he has more chemistry and more in common with Miss Cherry and if he has to date someone then I'd prefer her. Julia said she'd had better, it doesn't mean she meant William. I hope George's relationship with Nina is over, I don't know why but I just couldn't take to the woman. Not sure if I approve of Miss Cherry though. |
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Post by lea on Dec 6, 2016 11:50:42 GMT
Soooo many questions and so few answers. Anybody else having a WTF moment (hour) with this one? It was so off the wall and convoluted that I had to see it twice before I got it. In the first scene I thought Paddy Glynn's Kissing Bandit was back...and the woman reacted the same way as Annabelle Rose.
I did like the reappearance of the Bert Lightman painting. Is James still carrying a torch for Sally?
WTF was my exact reaction to the whole thing & I also was thinking Kissing Bandit at the beginning! The painting was the highlight of the whole thing for me. I should go watch that episode. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 6, 2016 11:53:53 GMT
I had to laugh at how Julia didn't like Pendrick's kiss. Confirmation that William is a better kisser than James, at least to Julia. William is her benchmark for other men and they come up lacking. I really don't want a love triangle between Nina, George and Miss Cherry. I am bored with George & Nina and their endless dramas and unhealthy relationship. Just keep them ended for the sake of George's character arc. Both characters deserve better than each other. He showed yet again he has more chemistry and more in common with Miss Cherry and if he has to date someone then I'd prefer her. Julia said she'd had better, it doesn't mean she meant William. I hope George's relationship with Nina is over, I don't know why but I just couldn't take to the woman. Not sure if I approve of Miss Cherry though. I'm with Murdochic in that I'm pretty confident she did mean Darcy William. That said, William better start getting freakier with her or else she's gonna get bored. Hint, hint, William-just remember the kissing bandit... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 6, 2016 12:33:46 GMT
Me watching this episode: Whaaaaa? Huh? Oh. Huh. Wait, what? Yeah, I've just seen it once and I'm definitely in a state of "what the hell just happened?" I honestly don't know what to think about this episode. I really can't say... Yeah, Pendrick was an ass in this episode. I get that maybe he wasn't himself, but it was just weird... I laughed at Julia's line as well, but I can't help but think she'd been curious as to what she may have been missing, and now she knows. I just suspected that he calls it his "jumper" because it makes him jumpy. Next time William meets up with Pendrick, he needs to make a snarky comment about kissing his wife-that was disrespectful. I loved seeing a return of the painting! I squeed when I saw it. Yes, it's a good thing we have the Christmas special next week, or this would be a long, weird wait. I wonder how long Brax is gonna be gone? But, I must admit, if this is how they're writing him out of the show, well, I'd rather this than killing him off. |
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Post by lizmc on Dec 6, 2016 12:39:34 GMT
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Post by lovemondays on Dec 6, 2016 13:29:46 GMT
Thanks lizmc. Greg David is such a huge fan of the show that he actually gets to the heart of things fans want to know. I did get the Jekyl and Hyde thing on first viewing. I think my problem was that Pendrick's Jekyl side was both manic in strength, agression, and mental output AS WELL AS a lecher. Pick one, possibly two so that the contrast between Pendrick and his 'jumped' counterpart was more streamlined and obvious. I'd go with mental acuity and lecher; the rest was too much. It was also confusing because there were two parts to the formula. This was also one of the rare episodes when we didn't get the name of the killer. We knew it was the restauranteur who killed the Sausage King but no name. The whole premise of the murder was weak IMO. Everybody is being cagey about whether or not Thomas Craig is leaving the show. We now have a definite trend towards his not being around much. The constabulary, and SH4 in particular, are experiencing a leadership vacuum. The best result for me would be promoting Brax to Chief Constable so he's still in it but only occasionally. And what happens to Margaret? It will be very hard to keep her around unless she takes charge of the Murdoch household, once it finally gets built.  So many people see chemistry between George and Louise Cherry. She was definitely flirting with him in this ep but that could also be her using her whiles to get a story. I don't see it. I agree that Nina's situation made it very difficult to move forward but I don't see it as being unhealthy. Poor George. He's a good man who just can't catch a break in the love department.  |
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Post by lovemondays on Dec 6, 2016 14:12:45 GMT
The FB crowd is quite vocally disappointed with this ep. Peter Mitchell knew we weren't going to like it so he was monitoring FB last night and one of his responses was:
Peter Mitchell: I am not sure who wasn't true to character. William was interested in solving the case and showed hurt that he was losing a friend. Thomas was portraying a man hitting mid life and wondering "is that all there is". George was playing a man caught between the woman he likes and the woman he "should be with and both Julia and Rebecca were doing their jobs. Pendrick was obsessed as he always is (and addicted to a drug that caused him to act out of character) and Nina continued her path to respectability" she started when she threw out the flirtation cards. Sure the story was crazy, it happens. The one after Christmas is crazy too. But scary crazy!!!
I have to give him credit. His response was measured and respectful but he's still baiting us. I can't find something else he said last night to post here, maybe twitter but it was along the lines of...and the season finale is going to alienate the rest of the fans.
Buckle up everyone, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 6, 2016 14:39:12 GMT
The FB crowd is quite vocally disappointed with this ep. Peter Mitchell knew we weren't going to like it so he was monitoring FB last night and one of his responses was:
Peter Mitchell: I am not sure who wasn't true to character. William was interested in solving the case and showed hurt that he was losing a friend. Thomas was portraying a man hitting mid life and wondering "is that all there is". George was playing a man caught between the woman he likes and the woman he "should be with and both Julia and Rebecca were doing their jobs. Pendrick was obsessed as he always is (and addicted to a drug that caused him to act out of character) and Nina continued her path to respectability" she started when she threw out the flirtation cards. Sure the story was crazy, it happens. The one after Christmas is crazy too. But scary crazy!!!
I have to give him credit. His response was measured and respectful but he's still baiting us. I can't find something else he said last night to post here, maybe twitter but it was along the lines of...and the season finale is going to alienate the rest of the fans.
Buckle up everyone, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Yeah, I just caught that bit on FB, and half the people are still crying over Emily's departure it seems (arghhhh-get over it!). However I agree with you in that the season while well done, is somehow off, and is not the MM we've come to expect. There's no arc, and I'm guessing the show has made a decision to film episodes that don't really have to be played back to back is the biggest culprit here. Shame, really. I think most fans tune in week after week because we're invested in the characters, and when there's no character arc... As for this episode, I'm still at a loss. Pendrick wasn't the only thing manic...I can see where that's what Mitchell and co thought they were going with the episode, but there was so much going on, it's hard to tell what's what. It's left my head spinning. I'm at a loss, and I don't know what I think. I feel like I've been hit by a truck. If TC is leaving, well, there's nothing to be done about it-I get it- you can't force him to remain. His leaving seemed abrupt, but maybe his departure is meant to be a mid-life crisis of sorts, the quintessential man who leaves his wife for the 21 year old secretary. I doubt that this is the last we see of Brax, but the ending just seemed so rushed. I really don't know what to make of all this. Is this going to be a stretch where the show makes us uncomfortable, but eventually takes us to a great place, or is this merely a case of TPTB not wanting to make the show we enjoy anymore and we just need to suck it up and deal? I don't mind angst, but please do something with it, don't just create it to jerk the viewers around and then never follow through with it. You know, kinda what like happened with season 8.I actually have a theory about where this season will end up, and I'm fine with it if that happens, but yeah, it'll be angsty and I hope it's well used. I'll be hanging around for now, because I'm hoping what seems disjointed will eventually come together nicely in retrospect. |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 6, 2016 15:33:49 GMT
The FB crowd is quite vocally disappointed with this ep. Peter Mitchell knew we weren't going to like it so he was monitoring FB last night and one of his responses was:
Peter Mitchell: I am not sure who wasn't true to character. William was interested in solving the case and showed hurt that he was losing a friend. Thomas was portraying a man hitting mid life and wondering "is that all there is". George was playing a man caught between the woman he likes and the woman he "should be with and both Julia and Rebecca were doing their jobs. Pendrick was obsessed as he always is (and addicted to a drug that caused him to act out of character) and Nina continued her path to respectability" she started when she threw out the flirtation cards. Sure the story was crazy, it happens. The one after Christmas is crazy too. But scary crazy!!!
I have to give him credit. His response was measured and respectful but he's still baiting us. I can't find something else he said last night to post here, maybe twitter but it was along the lines of...and the season finale is going to alienate the rest of the fans.
Buckle up everyone, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
It was somewhere on fb that he commented on the season finale. I'm surprised to see that he's being respectful, he doesn't like people dissing his baby. Shades of a previous season but he wasn't so respectful then. I think the premise of the ep was good but the execution was a little LOT over the top. |
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Post by lovemondays on Dec 6, 2016 15:39:21 GMT
Is this going to be a stretch where the show makes us uncomfortable, but eventually takes us to a great place...I don't mind angst, but please do something with it, don't just create it to jerk the viewers around and then never follow through with it. You know, kinda what like happened with season 8.That's it in a nutshell. MM DOES push boundaries and that often makes people uncomfortable. I too am ok with that and as you said, so long as it goes somewhere. Right now it does feel like we are being jerked around. The character continuity/story arc issue has been put forth to the writers, front and centre in S8, as a significant part of what makes this show great. They heard us, so I can't imagine them roughing out the season without keeping that in mind. PM has said he likes to see a fairly even mix of light and dark, playful vs angst. That makes a great deal of sense and keeps the show interesting IMO. They've done it incredibly well and there has always been some kind arc or arcs linking them. In this season however, I agree with you FB that we're being jerked around and I know I'm not alone in being unhappy and uncomfortable with it. I said in another thread that we have to be open to change and try to be adaptable but this season is stretching even this die-hard-from- day-1 fan to her breaking point. |
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